Let me start at the beginning. First, there was this set called Chronicles, and it resulted in the creation of another thing called the reserved list...
(...several hours go by...)
...and so last weekend, there was a really dominant deck at the Modern Pro Tour, which caused a series of ridiculous buy outs. And all of this is why we can't have nice things in Modern.
Playing millions of cards every turn... Slowly and systematically obliterating any chance my opponent has of winning... Clicking the multitude of locking mechanisms into place... Not even trying to win myself until turn 10+ once I have nigh absolute control... Watching my opponent desperately trying to navigate the labyrinthine prison that I've constructed... Seeing the light of hope fade and ultimately extinguished in an excruciatingly slow manner... THAT'S fun Magic.
We have 2-3 users that are dramatically making this thread incomprehensible and non-productive for anyone else to possibly join in the discussion. This needs to change.
Every time I see [ktkenshinx] post in here, I get the impression of a stern dad walking in on a bunch of kids trying to do something dumb and just shaking his head in disappointment.
Near Mint: The same as Slightly Played, but we threw some Altoids in the box we stored it in to cover up the scent of dead mice. Slightly Played: The base condition for all MTG cards. This card looks OK, but there’s one minor annoying ding in it that will always irritate and distract you whenever you draw it. Moderately Played: This card looks like it survived the Tet Offensive tucked inside the waistband of GI underwear. It may smell like it, too. Heavily Played: This card looks like the remains of Mohammed Atta’s passport after 9/11. It may be playable if you double-sleeve it to stop the chunks from falling out. The condition formerly known as "Washing Machine Grade" Damaged: This card is the unfortunate victim of a Mirrorweave/March of the Machines/Chaos Confetti/Mindslaver combo.
[M]aking counterfeit cards is the absolute height of dishonesty. Ask yourself this question: Since most people...are totally cool with the use of proxies...what purpose do [high] quality counterfeit cards serve?
There SHOULD be an emergency ban, but WotC wants to sell packs of OGW and BFZ, so they'll let it ride for a month or two at least.
Comments like this make me laugh. There "should" be an emergency ban? Why? Why should something that has never happened before happen now?
Oh, you say? There was an emergency ban? Well, let's set the record straight on Memory Jar. Memory Jar was banned at the standard banning time, along with the other cards that were to be banned. The "emergency" part of Memory Jar is that they announced the bannings and then, before the bannings were scheduled to take effect, retroactively added Memory Jar to the list to be banned. Memory Jar's "emergency ban" was in when it was announced, not when it took place, which is what people are screaming for.
There's also a whole lot of other differences between the setting Memory Jar got banned in and today (which are fairly well detailed in this article), but my point remains that banning something between the times bans are set to take effect has never happened before. Not even Memory Jar did that.
Also, I do find it a little funny for people to be screaming due to the results of one tournament... where a huge chunk of what decided the Top 8 weren't the Modern decks. Seriously, tweak the results from the Draft portion and you can end up with an entirely different Top 8 than we had. Pro Tours are terrible indicators for the metagame, though I suppose WOTC trying to cite Pro Tour results to justify their absurd Splinter Twin ban doesn't help people grasp this fact.
Wizards of the Coast did highly embarrass themselves by making a pointless ban ostensibly for "format diversity" (while also disappointing people with zero unbans) and then ending up with one of the least diverse Pro Tours ever, but in regards to emergency bans, I'm not sure why people seem to feel the need to resort to conspiratorial theories to try to rationalize why Wizards of the Coast isn't doing something that they've never done in the 23 years the game has been around.
This is bank run territory for the secondary market. There is a major loss of faith in Wizards combined with the fear that anything and everything will spike.
This is bank run territory for the secondary market. There is a major loss of faith in Wizards combined with the fear that anything and everything will spike.
Stoneforge Mystic GP Promo fake-out, Surprise Splinter Twin ban, broken Eldrazi PT. Wizards is really on a roll with player confidence!
The continued lack of modern friendly reprints outside of the overpriced booster lottery (which may now contain cards that could be banned in short order) is half the problem, speculators and buyouts seem to be the other
Snapcaster is unlikely (but not impossible) to be reprinted this year because of his RPTQ promo status. Expect him to be in MM2017, though, where his price will drop to $30-40 for a while.
Shadow is one of those cards that's always on the edge of being playable. People have tried to make it the next big thing for years.
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These days, some wizards are finding they have a little too much deck left at the end of their $$$.
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Worship is on the rise as of this moment, But once the PT or GP rolls around. Worship rise is a desperation move on the stores to make players think it will work. But 4 mana is a lot and it will probably fail. Painter's servant should be good, but if that is your only t2 play, you get ripped by affinadrazi plays.
I will not be playing in any modern events until this is fixed. This is utter nonsense that it affected the secondary market causing stores to cancel transactions to relist the items at the price spike. This is not only losing players in confidence of buying on TCGmid, it includes how we can trust these sites in selling these cards to us for what we bought them for before the price spike only to get denied by "overstock on card".
A new deck is great, but it is warping this format to the degree that cards are spiking over nothing.
Let's not beat around the bush though, it's clear that SCG (possibly other stores) and WotC have a collusion-esque relationship. Whether they're privy to information like what will get printed in the next set/what could get banned beforehand is up to speculation, but that they benefit from and manipulate the market to take advantage of these kinds of panic decisions shouldn't be up for debate.
The problem with waiting until the next announcement to ban something is that right now, the meta is as one sided as we have ever seen.
Do you plan to travel to a GP in the next few months? Are you going to bring Eldrazi? If not, why even show up? It's not worth it just for the Snapcaster promo.
Wizards has to protect their TO organizers. Dropping attendance by even 10% is a huge loss for vendors and organizers. Something has to give, and sooner rather than later.
Wizards will respond when, and only when, it begins to hurt their bottom line. And considering the problem is in a less popular format than Limited/Standard they'll be fine taking a while. If this was breaking Standard/Limited Wizards would've invented a time machine, gone back in time to slap Ian Duke for not paying attention when designing, and given every Standard/Limited player affected promo copies of the P9 as an apology. Wizards knows who's buttering its bread, and in terms of volume it ain't Modern.
Thought Knot Seer is going to be a staple in standard as long as it's legal. I see it working in Modern too, because an Eye ban will still leave Temple, and TKS is just too good. The shenanigans TKS can get up to with Eldrazi Displacer, keeping a hellbent player off the draw...
It will drop, but that may be an indication of time to buy for the long term.
I have all the colorless eldrazi deck from the PT but 2x Eye of Ugin, right now i dont know if buy 2 Eyes at 27.00€ each on europe and play the deck for 2 months maeby more time till we know what Wotc will do, or just sell the entier deck and gain some €
(I have all the modern pool so i have lots of decks to play but for me, this is something new and fresh that i want to play, ive been collecting eldrazi cards since the beginning so i was very happy to play the deck in modern, and now everybody talks about bans ... so i dont know what to do)
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Modern: RW R/W Burn WB B/W TokensXU MonuU Tron // UWX UW Tron R GoblinsW Soul SistersRWG Small ZooWUR WUR Geist/Control/Kiki-Resto Combo/NahiriUR Splinter Twin (90% Japanese)/ Grixis TwinRUB UR Delver / Grixis Delver UR Blue MoonBWU Ad NauseamWDeath and TaxesRUB Grixis ControlUMerfolksX Affinity RGB Living End UR Storm/PiF Combo RGX R/G TRON GWU Bant Eldrazi BW Eldrazi and Taxes RUBGoryos Vengeance UB Faeries Legacy:BRx Renimator Playing right now:Standard: Jeskai Control Modern; GoryosVengeance/UBFaeries/Affinity Legacy: BRx Reanimator Pauper: UR Drake (banned) Commander: Merieke Ri Berit Esper
Let's not beat around the bush though, it's clear that SCG (possibly other stores) and WotC have a collusion-esque relationship. Whether they're privy to information like what will get printed in the next set/what could get banned beforehand is up to speculation, but that they benefit from and manipulate the market to take advantage of these kinds of panic decisions shouldn't be up for debate.
I said this about a year ago and, judging by the reactions, you'd think that I had lobsters crawling out of my ears. There's way too much money tied up in the secondary market; it is less plausible that some kind of collusion doesn't exist. Hasbro is in the money making business and MTG is in the money printing business. It may not even be an intentional relationship, but I'd be astonished to find no traces of "insider trading", especially considering how niche of a market it is. If I had any vested interest in/decision-making powers at SCG, TCGplayer, etc, I'd pay some WoTC grunt a pretty penny for leaked information....
the card itself really isn't worth the card board its printed on...does it serve a purpose? Sure its a blue 1 drop that might not be a 1/1. I would not put it in a list and expect to win a PTQ or GP though.
While this is all happening, Eldrazi prices are actually dropping pretty significantly now that the PTQ is over. Mimics are now 5 bucks a pop and Eye of Ugin is diving down. I'm trying to figure out if I should sell the eyes now and get some other staples, then buy them back later when they have bombed further, or just hold on to them since I got them when they were 4-5 usd.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I think once people realize Wizards is not going to emergency ban anything from this deck (even though I think they should) and wait until at least the next banlist update, that prices will start to go back up again, and fairly soon. Because the deck is just that good. I'm willing to sell my NM Eye of Ugins, but I'm not willing to sell for less than $45 each. My guess is that within a month they will be back over $50 again, if not higher.
AND...... ghost quarter is now $2-3 dollar uncommon when it was $.50 a week ago. It's being bought out as we speak. Thanks eldrazi!
I bought a big load at CFB for 20 cents each like three weeks back. Hard to believe anyone didn't see this one coming.
I have my two playsets but it certainly is alarming.
That's what I don't get - how is it alarming? It's one of Modern's best cards, a staple in a ton of decks (Tron, Eldrazi, Merfolk, Hatebears, Kiki-Chord, etc.), and one of the most accessible ways to beat the new format boogeyman. Plus it's less than a dollar.
the card itself really isn't worth the card board its printed on...does it serve a purpose? Sure its a blue 1 drop that might not be a 1/1. I would not put it in a list and expect to win a PTQ or GP though.
Let me start at the beginning. First, there was this set called Chronicles, and it resulted in the creation of another thing called the reserved list...
(...several hours go by...)
...and so last weekend, there was a really dominant deck at the Modern Pro Tour, which caused a series of ridiculous buy outs. And all of this is why we can't have nice things in Modern.
WUDeath&TaxesWG
Legacy
UBRGDredgeUBRG
UHigh TideU
URGLandsURG
WR Card Choice List
WUR American D&T
WUB Esper D&T
The Reserved List
Heat Maps
Oh, you say? There was an emergency ban? Well, let's set the record straight on Memory Jar. Memory Jar was banned at the standard banning time, along with the other cards that were to be banned. The "emergency" part of Memory Jar is that they announced the bannings and then, before the bannings were scheduled to take effect, retroactively added Memory Jar to the list to be banned. Memory Jar's "emergency ban" was in when it was announced, not when it took place, which is what people are screaming for.
There's also a whole lot of other differences between the setting Memory Jar got banned in and today (which are fairly well detailed in this article), but my point remains that banning something between the times bans are set to take effect has never happened before. Not even Memory Jar did that.
Also, I do find it a little funny for people to be screaming due to the results of one tournament... where a huge chunk of what decided the Top 8 weren't the Modern decks. Seriously, tweak the results from the Draft portion and you can end up with an entirely different Top 8 than we had. Pro Tours are terrible indicators for the metagame, though I suppose WOTC trying to cite Pro Tour results to justify their absurd Splinter Twin ban doesn't help people grasp this fact.
Wizards of the Coast did highly embarrass themselves by making a pointless ban ostensibly for "format diversity" (while also disappointing people with zero unbans) and then ending up with one of the least diverse Pro Tours ever, but in regards to emergency bans, I'm not sure why people seem to feel the need to resort to conspiratorial theories to try to rationalize why Wizards of the Coast isn't doing something that they've never done in the 23 years the game has been around.
ad nauseam sb card
Decks I'm playing in Modern right now:
URB Grixis Reveler (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-grixis-reveler/)
UB Faeries (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/ub-fae-2/)
UW Azorious Control (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-ojutai-control-2/)
Stoneforge Mystic GP Promo fake-out, Surprise Splinter Twin ban, broken Eldrazi PT. Wizards is really on a roll with player confidence!
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
Shadow is one of those cards that's always on the edge of being playable. People have tried to make it the next big thing for years.
MTG finance guy- follow me on Twitter@RichArschmann or RichardArschmann on Reddit
I will not be playing in any modern events until this is fixed. This is utter nonsense that it affected the secondary market causing stores to cancel transactions to relist the items at the price spike. This is not only losing players in confidence of buying on TCGmid, it includes how we can trust these sites in selling these cards to us for what we bought them for before the price spike only to get denied by "overstock on card".
A new deck is great, but it is warping this format to the degree that cards are spiking over nothing.
Do you plan to travel to a GP in the next few months? Are you going to bring Eldrazi? If not, why even show up? It's not worth it just for the Snapcaster promo.
Wizards has to protect their TO organizers. Dropping attendance by even 10% is a huge loss for vendors and organizers. Something has to give, and sooner rather than later.
It will drop, but that may be an indication of time to buy for the long term.
(I have all the modern pool so i have lots of decks to play but for me, this is something new and fresh that i want to play, ive been collecting eldrazi cards since the beginning so i was very happy to play the deck in modern, and now everybody talks about bans ... so i dont know what to do)
RW R/W Burn WB B/W TokensXU MonuU Tron // UWX UW Tron
R GoblinsW Soul SistersRWG Small ZooWUR WUR Geist/Control/Kiki-Resto Combo/NahiriUR Splinter Twin (90% Japanese)/ Grixis TwinRUB UR Delver / Grixis Delver UR Blue MoonBWU Ad NauseamWDeath and TaxesRUB Grixis ControlUMerfolksX Affinity RGB Living End UR Storm/PiF Combo RGX R/G TRON GWU Bant Eldrazi BW Eldrazi and Taxes RUBGoryos Vengeance UB Faeries
Legacy:BRx Renimator
Playing right now: Standard: Jeskai Control Modern; GoryosVengeance/UBFaeries/Affinity Legacy: BRx Reanimator Pauper: UR Drake (banned) Commander: Merieke Ri Berit Esper
Currently Playing:
Modern:
Tron
Titan-Shift
I said this about a year ago and, judging by the reactions, you'd think that I had lobsters crawling out of my ears. There's way too much money tied up in the secondary market; it is less plausible that some kind of collusion doesn't exist. Hasbro is in the money making business and MTG is in the money printing business. It may not even be an intentional relationship, but I'd be astonished to find no traces of "insider trading", especially considering how niche of a market it is. If I had any vested interest in/decision-making powers at SCG, TCGplayer, etc, I'd pay some WoTC grunt a pretty penny for leaked information....
Link to Discord server where anybody from MTGS can keep up with thread topics while everything is being sorted out with the new site.
Decks I'm playing in Modern right now:
URB Grixis Reveler (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-grixis-reveler/)
UB Faeries (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/ub-fae-2/)
UW Azorious Control (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-ojutai-control-2/)
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Colorless Eldrazi Stompy
I have my two playsets but it certainly is alarming.
Decks I'm playing in Modern right now:
URB Grixis Reveler (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-grixis-reveler/)
UB Faeries (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/ub-fae-2/)
UW Azorious Control (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-ojutai-control-2/)
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
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Colorless Eldrazi Stompy