The price jumps of Eye of Ugin and other cards just show how much of a joke things have become. I would say this about both Modern and to a far lesser extent now Legacy. The past few years have been ridiculous with buyouts and overnight spikes.
Look, re: Eye, we all saw it coming. It was a rare in MM2 and a mythich in a small set of the old model, which was eclipsed by Jace, the Mind Sculptor. We knew BFZ would bring back and expand upon the eldrazi, still I had those in my junk binder for years and nobody cared about them except the occasional kid for his kitchen table Hand of Emrakul deck. MY excess copies are now in my value binder.
Magic works like that now, it's a market and people win in markets either by insider information, or anticipating the trends. Think already of SOI and see what needs to be done in terms of zombies, vampires, humans or graveyard stuff when we know a bit more about it. But let's not complaint 2 months after it's out that Grafdigger's Cage has tripled.
With two SCG articles today, a ton of buyouts yesterday (maybe in part related to those forthcoming articles?), and consistently rising prices in the previous days before that, this hype train has officially left the station.
I decided to focus more on EDH and Cube recently and missed the entire train being built, let alone leaving the station.
I do own 6 Eldrazi Temples though and 2 Eye of Ugin (a third if I take the one out from my Foil Eldrazi Collection, which I prefer not to). From what I know, a lot of the cards are from BFZ, so I'm not particularly worried about them skyrocketing (perhaps except for Newlamog). The deck does look sort of fun to build and play with, but did anything else spike drastically (that wasn't in BFZ) that would make it more worthwhile for me to sell (if i ever do) my copies off instead of perhaps trying to build the deck. I only own Affinity at the moment (and definitely keeping it), which I hear has a generally favorable matchup against the deck, so I won't be too upset if I decided to not build it and it appears everywhere in my meta.
I admit I don't usually keep track of prices and am usually too lazy to buy/sell (fast enough) - I'm still in possession of 4 Stoneforge Mystic that I obtained from drafts when no one wanted them at all and not bothering to move the card or get any more despite all the speculation around it (if it gets unbanned I might again end up with a 1/4 of some potentially great deck, if it doesn't the price drop doesn't really affect me). Usually I only buy when when I decided a deck was interesting enough for me to do so and the prices aren't too high (such as me fortunately getting my Arcbound Ravagers the week before it went way up).
It looks like now it's a good time to sell Eye of Ugin if you don't need it. Its price is absurdly high at the moment and that for a tier 2 deck which is pretty ridiculous to say at least.
I have a ton of Eyes from when the card came out in old Zendikar. Where do people think the best place to sell them is? I'm fine taking a small money hit if it's easier and less resource intensive than dang ebay, but if people really think that's the best place then that's cool too.
It looks like now it's a good time to sell Eye of Ugin if you don't need it. Its price is absurdly high at the moment and that for a tier 2 deck which is pretty ridiculous to say at least.
I have a ton of Eyes from when the card came out in old Zendikar. Where do people think the best place to sell them is? I'm fine taking a small money hit if it's easier and less resource intensive than dang ebay, but if people really think that's the best place then that's cool too.
Personally I would pucatrade them for more stable cards (shocks, ktk fetches, etc)
It looks like now it's a good time to sell Eye of Ugin if you don't need it. Its price is absurdly high at the moment and that for a tier 2 deck which is pretty ridiculous to say at least.
Tron is Tier 1. That said, it is only a 1-of in Tron (or any other deck running it), so its high price is rather confusing.
It looks like now it's a good time to sell Eye of Ugin if you don't need it. Its price is absurdly high at the moment and that for a tier 2 deck which is pretty ridiculous to say at least.
Tron is Tier 1. That said, it is only a 1-of in Tron (or any other deck running it), so its high price is rather confusing.
It's being used in Bx Eldrazi-Processor now as well.
It looks like now it's a good time to sell Eye of Ugin if you don't need it. Its price is absurdly high at the moment and that for a tier 2 deck which is pretty ridiculous to say at least.
Tron is Tier 1. That said, it is only a 1-of in Tron (or any other deck running it), so its high price is rather confusing.
It's the Bx Eldrazi hype train, not Tron. If there's anything we've learned about Modern in the last year, it's that hype trains and buyouts are very real and not always grounded in data.
I've never purchased a card on pre-order before. What would one estimate is a good price for Oath of Nissa?
I'm excited about this card's potential in modern and would like to get it before it is too pricey.
Oath of Nissa is not, and will never be, Modern playable. It has some casual appeal, and will likely be worth about 3-4 dollars in the long term, but I wouldn't pay more than about $1 for it now. It'll almost certainly end up around there after release
Right now I think everyone will be gunning for buying the latest 3 cmc planeswalker more than the oaths. I know I was planning on trying to grab a few for my own amusement.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I've never purchased a card on pre-order before. What would one estimate is a good price for Oath of Nissa?
I'm excited about this card's potential in modern and would like to get it before it is too pricey.
Oath of Nissa is not, and will never be, Modern playable. It has some casual appeal, and will likely be worth about 3-4 dollars in the long term, but I wouldn't pay more than about $1 for it now. It'll almost certainly end up around there after release
I beg to differ. This card is Serum Visions for green. Sure, less options to keep, but I'll pay that price to see 3, choose one. Most importantly, it enables decks to splash an entire planeswalker without mana fixing. If you can't see the value of that...
So Scalding Tarn is $110 tcgmid at the time of posting this. Buyout, natural demand or something else? Do we think this card can go any higher? Important to note that the pack foil prices haven't moved much compared to the non foils.
Bx Eldrazi going to have a second insane spike if Jacob does well at SCGCIN. Chances are good it will have a spike before that based on the SCG deck tech alone.
So Scalding Tarn is $110 tcgmid at the time of posting this. Buyout, natural demand or something else? Do we think this card can go any higher? Important to note that the pack foil prices haven't moved much compared to the non foils.
Modern season starting, no reprint in the foreseeable future. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm glad I picked up my playset for a hair under $50 each.
I've never purchased a card on pre-order before. What would one estimate is a good price for Oath of Nissa?
I'm excited about this card's potential in modern and would like to get it before it is too pricey.
Oath of Nissa is not, and will never be, Modern playable. It has some casual appeal, and will likely be worth about 3-4 dollars in the long term, but I wouldn't pay more than about $1 for it now. It'll almost certainly end up around there after release
I really should quote this for when this card hits $10-12 down the line.
It might be the best draw/filter card in Modern. I think that says something about Modern, but it will always be a Ponder for green. That seems to have been Wizards intention: a Ponder that Snapcaster Mage can't reuse.
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You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
I've never purchased a card on pre-order before. What would one estimate is a good price for Oath of Nissa?
I'm excited about this card's potential in modern and would like to get it before it is too pricey.
Oath of Nissa is not, and will never be, Modern playable. It has some casual appeal, and will likely be worth about 3-4 dollars in the long term, but I wouldn't pay more than about $1 for it now. It'll almost certainly end up around there after release
If you can't see the value of looking at the top 3 cards and getting a creature/planeswalker/land from the three cards, then idk what to tell you. If the card ONLY did that then it would be good. The fact that it: keeps dumping enchantments in graveyard to feed goyf, fixes for BG decks to get liliana out easy, and it filters for one mana.
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The problem with Oath of Nissa in a BGx deck is the possibility of whiffing. But it's an interesting prospect.
Who knows, oath of nissa could be much more incredible than we first realize. It's a turn 1 play that can draw and filter. This is either going to be crazy ******* good or hot garbage, I don't think it'll be anything inbetween. It's almost a ponder for non blue decks. That's pretty huge
Bx Eldrazi going to have a second insane spike if Jacob does well at SCGCIN. Chances are good it will have a spike before that based on the SCG deck tech alone.
I just got back from Saturday Afternoon Magic (SAM taking the place of FNM yesterday) and noticed this. If anyone wants to play the deck, I suggest you get pieces quickly. Eye of Ugin is going to be $50 soon.
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Legacy - Sneak Show, BR Reanimator, Miracles, UW Stoneblade
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
Bx Eldrazi going to have a second insane spike if Jacob does well at SCGCIN. Chances are good it will have a spike before that based on the SCG deck tech alone.
I just got back from Saturday Afternoon Magic (SAM taking the place of FNM yesterday) and noticed this. If anyone wants to play the deck, I suggest you get pieces quickly. Eye of Ugin is going to be $50 soon.
the card itself really isn't worth the card board its printed on...does it serve a purpose? Sure its a blue 1 drop that might not be a 1/1. I would not put it in a list and expect to win a PTQ or GP though.
Didn't notice that. I just think that with nationwide exposure now on SCG's channel at the Open, the cards from the deck have nowhere to go but up. I myself am going to pick up my 4th copy of Urborg in case I want to run the Mono Black version.
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Legacy - Sneak Show, BR Reanimator, Miracles, UW Stoneblade
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
I've never purchased a card on pre-order before. What would one estimate is a good price for Oath of Nissa?
I'm excited about this card's potential in modern and would like to get it before it is too pricey.
Oath of Nissa is not, and will never be, Modern playable. It has some casual appeal, and will likely be worth about 3-4 dollars in the long term, but I wouldn't pay more than about $1 for it now. It'll almost certainly end up around there after release
I agree with it not showing up in Modern but I disagree with the price. It seems like a shoe-in for any Doubling Season PWer EDH deck, and Doubling Season's price is insane despite not seeing any Modern play.
Oath of Nissa has serious potential. If you haven't tested it, don't write it off. I'm not sure if it's good yet, but that's why we need to test it in some green decks.
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These days, some wizards are finding they have a little too much deck left at the end of their $$$.
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Absolutely it will see play in Modern, and as a 4 of. 'That which dies, feeds the Tarmogoyf.'
It wont see play as much for it's first ability, I think, though goyf decks will like that ability to find the/another goyf.
No, green Modern decks will run it to splash a planeswalker without having to adjust the manabase. Particularly, I see G/R Tron decks using it to access the Tezzeret walkers. Additionally, it allows G/X decks to play G/Y walkers, and never having to mess with a tried, tested and trusted manabase. Throw in Affinity decks that want to play the Tezzerets. (I'm not the best on affinity, so IDK the colors)
Basically, any deck already running Green can stretch for any planeswalker without imploding due to overcomplicating manabases. There will be a lot of Green testing to see how valuable it is.
In Standard, I've already got a G/W control deck that has no white mana, and no creatures. Just pure control with Nissa and Gideon providing tokens, and Nissa pumping them, and using my mana to counter everything the opponent tries to do.
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Magic works like that now, it's a market and people win in markets either by insider information, or anticipating the trends. Think already of SOI and see what needs to be done in terms of zombies, vampires, humans or graveyard stuff when we know a bit more about it. But let's not complaint 2 months after it's out that Grafdigger's Cage has tripled.
I decided to focus more on EDH and Cube recently and missed the entire train being built, let alone leaving the station.
I do own 6 Eldrazi Temples though and 2 Eye of Ugin (a third if I take the one out from my Foil Eldrazi Collection, which I prefer not to). From what I know, a lot of the cards are from BFZ, so I'm not particularly worried about them skyrocketing (perhaps except for Newlamog). The deck does look sort of fun to build and play with, but did anything else spike drastically (that wasn't in BFZ) that would make it more worthwhile for me to sell (if i ever do) my copies off instead of perhaps trying to build the deck. I only own Affinity at the moment (and definitely keeping it), which I hear has a generally favorable matchup against the deck, so I won't be too upset if I decided to not build it and it appears everywhere in my meta.
I admit I don't usually keep track of prices and am usually too lazy to buy/sell (fast enough) - I'm still in possession of 4 Stoneforge Mystic that I obtained from drafts when no one wanted them at all and not bothering to move the card or get any more despite all the speculation around it (if it gets unbanned I might again end up with a 1/4 of some potentially great deck, if it doesn't the price drop doesn't really affect me). Usually I only buy when when I decided a deck was interesting enough for me to do so and the prices aren't too high (such as me fortunately getting my Arcbound Ravagers the week before it went way up).
I have a ton of Eyes from when the card came out in old Zendikar. Where do people think the best place to sell them is? I'm fine taking a small money hit if it's easier and less resource intensive than dang ebay, but if people really think that's the best place then that's cool too.
Personally I would pucatrade them for more stable cards (shocks, ktk fetches, etc)
It's being used in Bx Eldrazi-Processor now as well.
It's the Bx Eldrazi hype train, not Tron. If there's anything we've learned about Modern in the last year, it's that hype trains and buyouts are very real and not always grounded in data.
Oath of Nissa is not, and will never be, Modern playable. It has some casual appeal, and will likely be worth about 3-4 dollars in the long term, but I wouldn't pay more than about $1 for it now. It'll almost certainly end up around there after release
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I beg to differ. This card is Serum Visions for green. Sure, less options to keep, but I'll pay that price to see 3, choose one. Most importantly, it enables decks to splash an entire planeswalker without mana fixing. If you can't see the value of that...
Modern season starting, no reprint in the foreseeable future. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm glad I picked up my playset for a hair under $50 each.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
I really should quote this for when this card hits $10-12 down the line.
It might be the best draw/filter card in Modern. I think that says something about Modern, but it will always be a Ponder for green. That seems to have been Wizards intention: a Ponder that Snapcaster Mage can't reuse.
"I hope to have such a death... lying in triumph atop the broken bodies of those who slew me..."
If you can't see the value of looking at the top 3 cards and getting a creature/planeswalker/land from the three cards, then idk what to tell you. If the card ONLY did that then it would be good. The fact that it: keeps dumping enchantments in graveyard to feed goyf, fixes for BG decks to get liliana out easy, and it filters for one mana.
Decks I'm playing in Modern right now:
URB Grixis Reveler (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-grixis-reveler/)
UB Faeries (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/ub-fae-2/)
UW Azorious Control (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-ojutai-control-2/)
Who knows, oath of nissa could be much more incredible than we first realize. It's a turn 1 play that can draw and filter. This is either going to be crazy ******* good or hot garbage, I don't think it'll be anything inbetween. It's almost a ponder for non blue decks. That's pretty huge
I just got back from Saturday Afternoon Magic (SAM taking the place of FNM yesterday) and noticed this. If anyone wants to play the deck, I suggest you get pieces quickly. Eye of Ugin is going to be $50 soon.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Counter-Cat
Colorless Eldrazi Stompy
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
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It wont see play as much for it's first ability, I think, though goyf decks will like that ability to find the/another goyf.
No, green Modern decks will run it to splash a planeswalker without having to adjust the manabase. Particularly, I see G/R Tron decks using it to access the Tezzeret walkers. Additionally, it allows G/X decks to play G/Y walkers, and never having to mess with a tried, tested and trusted manabase. Throw in Affinity decks that want to play the Tezzerets. (I'm not the best on affinity, so IDK the colors)
Basically, any deck already running Green can stretch for any planeswalker without imploding due to overcomplicating manabases. There will be a lot of Green testing to see how valuable it is.
In Standard, I've already got a G/W control deck that has no white mana, and no creatures. Just pure control with Nissa and Gideon providing tokens, and Nissa pumping them, and using my mana to counter everything the opponent tries to do.