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Vraska could be strong in standard. The +1 can blow up your own lands right? It should ensure you never mana flood. And you can float the mana before you sac the land too.

The +1 is a may clause so you don't have to sacrifice anything, you just don't get cards. A lot of people missed that part of her. Unfortunately, I think her usefulness is kind of limited given the kind of abilities she has been given.

I think its a case of good card, missing shell. I played around with her with Tracker, and sacrificing the token's the tracker makes...ended up pretty broken.

So what are the thought's on Trophy. $20 Card?

I'd be willing to buy Trophy at $20 if I wanted to build BGx. I think prices have basically settled, and I'd be worried about a deck running it spiking the pro tour.

Quote from idSurge »

So what are the thought's on Trophy. $20 Card?

Buy if you need one now.

Personally, I'm still waiting for it to drop a little more.

I think people are still trying to figure out where trophy actually sits in modern and legacy. It's seeing some play, but I don't think I've seen a full 4x in decks like I was expecting. The thing is there are still times where Abrupt Decay is just the better choice. Namely, if I'm playing against a deck that likes to lay down annoying tools such as Chalice of the Void, Abrupt Decay can hit that where as Assassin's Trophy will get blanked.

So far the only home I've liked Assassin's Trophy in is Legacy Elves. Though I understand a lot of BUG players are happy they finally have an answer to Jace. I would expect the price to keep falling but in small increments.

I think people not used to the issue of Path to Exile, are being tempered a bit on Trophy. Its a great card dont get me wrong, but an untapped basic is not 'free' in as fast a format as Modern.

Trophy either frees up SB slots or makes your SB plan more consistent. There are few top decks that' it's bad against, as a lot of top deck don't run a lot of basics.

Its price is entirely contingent on the performance of BG decks.

That being said, I've sold mine. I do think the price will come down because BG was not a deck in standard and BG is not top in modern.

The problem Assassin's Trophy has in standard is Lyra Dawnbringer. The trouble is that answering anything with the card ramps the opponent up a land and lets them put down the finisher that much faster, and the format has better answers to deal with her in specific. Hence I see a lot of people trading out of them while the price is still holding, but I think it's actually dropping already.

... yeah Card Kingdom has them on buylist for 13.50. Doom Whisperer has a better ratio on the buylist compared to it's actual selling price.

Vraska, Relic Seeker was already down to 7-8$ about a month ago... now she's back to 16-17$. I guess the printing of trophy caused people to want her again. And as expected, the relic seeker is more expensive than golgari queen who is only at 10-12$.

i think the difference is that in standard BG you are likely to play both vraskas, but if you are only playing one of them its likely relic seeker.

i have no doubt that trophy will go down, its just a matter of when. i believe the price is staying afloat because of lingering uncertainty, and thus speculation. people are less willing to dump their copies when there is still a chance for BGx to be top in standard, and similarly to become more prominent in modern (or beyond). its low risk to hold onto them because current demand is just enough to where the price is unlikely to drop quickly/suddenly. the power of the card isnt in question, its whether the supporting cast of cards around it are enough.

Last Standard MTGO event had a TON of BG decks in the top 16, if that ends up being the best deck, Trophy jumps I imagine.

I'd imagine trophy has to have a cap because of the ev of boxes. Realistically it can't go much higher before the rest of the set starts to crater or supply just gets gobbled up to compensate. It's already pushing 20% returns on box price with 36/however many rares and mythics are in the set something chance of getting one (assuming there are no forced scarcity shenneigans like people accused fatal push of having).

Assuming you don't get many duplicates throughout a box. Which doesn't happen very often from what I can tell at my LGS.

Quote from idSurge »

Last Standard MTGO event had a TON of BG decks in the top 16, if that ends up being the best deck, Trophy jumps I imagine.

I think it will follow a similar path as Abrupt Decay. It's good, but not $20 good. Plus, as others have said, ramping your opponent into really powerful 5 drop game-enders is a real down side. I dumped the copy I opened as soon as I could since I see this leveling off between $10-15 tops. A card needs to win the game to hold prices higher than that these days.

In other finance, I'm happy to see new 4cmc Vraska start ticking up as well. If she gets above $20, I'll sell my regular copy, but either way I'm holding off unloading my Mythic Ed copies until things stabilize and supply starts to dry up.

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Quote from AUTUMNTWILIGHT »

Here is the thing I think Teferi looks boss and Lili looks kinda lame honestly the background is cheap. So I wonder how that impacts pricing. Granted that is just my impressions maybe but they should be valuable.

I missed this from earlier, but Liliana is GORGEOUS. Probably one of the best looking ones in person.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img924/4601/jxOVi1.gif

What do you think about these potential purchases?

4 Runaway Steam-Kin - $20
4 Risk Factor - $37
4 Experimental Frenzy - $12

I don't usually play Red, but in case something is "busted" or just really good to play, including Standard because I can PPTQ with the deck. How do these prices sound? To me, it sounds sort of high for Rares, but maybe that's just the cost to play right now.

*I should say that for what it's worth, I had the RB Aggro and Mono Red Wizards deck from the past Standard rotation. (I know; too many Standard based questions...)

I think those things are all just spiked due to interest. They should (I would think??) drop, but looking quick, your getting a deal there.

EDIT: Arclights are still cheap, and honestly thats the card that does work.

Quote from idSurge »

I think those things are all just spiked due to interest. They should (I would think??) drop, but looking quick, your getting a deal there.

EDIT: Arclights are still cheap, and honestly thats the card that does work.

Thanks. Yep, I gotta get those too. I found $18 right now for a play set. I kind of wondered why someone was buying that card at the GP Denver that I just got back from yesterday...

Quote from FoodChainGoblins »

What do you think about these potential purchases?

4 Runaway Steam-Kin - $20
4 Risk Factor - $37
4 Experimental Frenzy - $12

I don't usually play Red, but in case something is "busted" or just really good to play, including Standard because I can PPTQ with the deck. How do these prices sound? To me, it sounds sort of high for Rares, but maybe that's just the cost to play right now.

*I should say that for what it's worth, I had the RB Aggro and Mono Red Wizards deck from the past Standard rotation. (I know; too many Standard based questions...)

Those are acceptable prices in my opinion.

Ah, so you're going to join in the new hotness. Well, that deck does look promising.. also uses cards not used in other modern deck so it feels fresh.

All the prices on cards right now from GRN are at their peaks. First rule of knowing when prices are high: Check box EV to see if it is over 100 dollars and has a good spread of value. If it does, than it's going to get cracked for arbitrage until the EV of the box drops below 100 dollars or most of the value gets crammed into only a few cards. Dominaria is a better spot to buy cards from right now because everything worth having from that set is going to be on an uptrend until rotation. Rivals of Ixalan is probably the most dangerous one to wait on because the prices of everything worth playing from that set are going to rise similarly to core 2019.

Question.. why is Hazoret the fervent so cheap now? I remember she was above 10 dollars at some point. Now, only around 2 dollars each.

Anyway, taking this chance to put two into my shopping cart. ^___^

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Question.. why is Hazoret the fervent so cheap now? I remember she was above 10 dollars at some point. Now, only around 2 dollars each.

Anyway, taking this chance to put two into my shopping cart. ^___^

Demand was propped up by Standard players who started dumping their copies last month.

Supply was stunted by the Challenger Deck that included one.

Quote from The Fluff »

Question.. why is Hazoret the fervent so cheap now? I remember she was above 10 dollars at some point. Now, only around 2 dollars each.

Anyway, taking this chance to put two into my shopping cart. ^___^

Just rotated out of Standard. Saw heavy, heavy Standard play and not much of anything elsewhere. Now is a great time to pick em up.

Ok, thanks for the replies.

Picking up two.. one for Ponza. And another for adding to my legend collection binder.

I was waiting for rotation for the bottom to fall out of Rhonas to pick some up for Modern Stompy. But that never happened.

You'd think I'd learn. Same thing happened for Collective Brutality. I waited for rotation, but by the time it rotated it was higher than it was when I decided to start waiting.