wasnt it not too long ago that wotc said they were on the verge of reprinting lotv in standard, but something held them back? with the implication that they dont believe lotv to be too good for standard, but rather that the conditions need to be right.
i wouldnt be surprised to see lili return in a core set.
Yup, M15 I believe. IIRC, she was originally slated for it, but Standard was dominated by Black for a while before that, so they pulled her to keep from tipping the format ever further into Black dominance.
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Whenever the topics about reprints and EV and price of the cards and format get heated, I can instantly tell who has and who hasn't read about reprint equity.
There are cards that WoTC doesn't like to reprint as well because they punch above their weight. Lotv is the strongest edict engine in the game and is well above things like doomfall.
I don't think WOTC would have any problems reprinting LOTV in a non-Standard set. But why include her in M25 when you have JTMS in M25? That's a huge waste of equity and could contribute to some of the price per pack EV issues others have discussed.
WOTC has proven with M25 that they'll reprint cards which players have "bad for the game" assumptions about. See Blood Moon, Ensnaring Bridge, Chalice of the Void. I don't think there are any such restrictions on LOTV. It's just not time yet.
What I meant is that they almost are guaranteed to not print certain cards through standard again because of how powerful the card actually is, and that goes beyond just card equity. Wizards is doing some dubious things with cards like Snapcaster Mage at mythic as they seem to be trying to artificially create new 60+ dollar money cards when they can. It's kind of a bad idea on a card that is basically a 4 of in any deck that isn't legendary like that and I kind of wish they would keep cards like snapcaster at rare.
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2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Liliana of the veil will never get printed again in standard. Nor do I think they ever had any real intentions of putting her into core set m15. I also find it hard to believe she's worth a 100 bucks. To be fair, I did buy 2 Karn for 60-ish a while back. But as a whole, bg/x is a big hill to climb.
Keep in mind there were people who said ‘Thoughtsieze will never be reprinted in standard’ until it was, or ‘fetchlands will never be reprinted in standard’ until they were. Hell, Opt caught a lot of people shocked after so many past 1-cantrip library manipulators became problems. It’s an easy bet to make to bet against any one specific card because you’re likely to be right. But also likely: sometime in the next year or two a card or set-of-cards will be printed in a standard set that people swore were never going to be printed in standard again.
Fair, but she's going to be the main selling point of a few more masters sets first. And they didn't even put zen fetches in khans block. That still shows a lot is being held back.
On the subject of card equity and reprints, that is probably an issue that goes beyond the game of MtG and more into Wizards of the Coast itself. The company has basically gone all in on Magic the Gathering in the last couple of years, while Dungeons and Dragons has gone pretty quiet. Maybe it's because I'm just tuned into MtG more than D&D these days.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
its good time to buy 2x Gaddock Teeg? 2x in chinese at 9.0€ ?
im building GW Hexproff so i need it for the sb
Yeah, Teeg is a solid buy at the moment. I generally only play two in my Bogles SB, but I recently picked up two more to complete the set because his price has been slowly ticking up and seems prime for a moderate spike. Currently, TCGplayer only has ~40 copies listed for each of its two printings.
I'm kind of surprised how much value is in that budget elf deck I ended up building back during Lorwyn. Gaddock was a 2 dollar card when I got him as a 4 of and the rest of the deck was basically pennies. 4x nettle sentinel and the like.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
On the subject of card equity and reprints, that is probably an issue that goes beyond the game of MtG and more into Wizards of the Coast itself. The company has basically gone all in on Magic the Gathering in the last couple of years, while Dungeons and Dragons has gone pretty quiet. Maybe it's because I'm just tuned into MtG more than D&D these days.
well mtg requires vastly more resources to develop and maintain. funnily enough though D&D has had quite a resurgence over the last 5 years or so. not so much because of anything wizards/hasbro has done, moreso because of cultural phenomenon.
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Well. That didn't take long. Which one of you bought out TCGplayer's supply of Gaddock Teeg?
Wasn't me. I have had 3 Gaddock Teeg since Lorwyn. Sold 1 years ago after a spike for $15 (when it spiked to $25) and kept the other 2 since.
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Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
Normal printings of Teeg have been out of stock at SCG for many days now. Sold out?... or the store just pulled their stocks from the shelves? We will never know.
i bought 2x copies last night by 9.00€ each in chinese languague in europe, i hope the seller sends me, in europe gaddock its still 8-10€ each
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Modern: RW R/W Burn WB B/W TokensXU MonuU Tron // UWX UW Tron R GoblinsW Soul SistersRWG Small ZooWUR WUR Geist/Control/Kiki-Resto Combo/NahiriUR Splinter Twin (90% Japanese)/ Grixis TwinRUB UR Delver / Grixis Delver UR Blue MoonBWU Ad NauseamWDeath and TaxesRUB Grixis ControlUMerfolksX Affinity RGB Living End UR Storm/PiF Combo RGX R/G TRON GWU Bant Eldrazi BW Eldrazi and Taxes RUBGoryos Vengeance UB Faeries Legacy:BRx Renimator Playing right now:Standard: Jeskai Control Modern; GoryosVengeance/UBFaeries/Affinity Legacy: BRx Reanimator Pauper: UR Drake (banned) Commander: Merieke Ri Berit Esper
also, here in europe Cavern of Gems spiked very hard from 3.00 to 15-20.00€ per copy, seems like a buy out ... (i still have 2x copies that played 1 or 2 times)
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Modern: RW R/W Burn WB B/W TokensXU MonuU Tron // UWX UW Tron R GoblinsW Soul SistersRWG Small ZooWUR WUR Geist/Control/Kiki-Resto Combo/NahiriUR Splinter Twin (90% Japanese)/ Grixis TwinRUB UR Delver / Grixis Delver UR Blue MoonBWU Ad NauseamWDeath and TaxesRUB Grixis ControlUMerfolksX Affinity RGB Living End UR Storm/PiF Combo RGX R/G TRON GWU Bant Eldrazi BW Eldrazi and Taxes RUBGoryos Vengeance UB Faeries Legacy:BRx Renimator Playing right now:Standard: Jeskai Control Modern; GoryosVengeance/UBFaeries/Affinity Legacy: BRx Reanimator Pauper: UR Drake (banned) Commander: Merieke Ri Berit Esper
Does Teeg even have the demand to support the buyout? I don't doubt his price will settle higher, but still.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Does Teeg even have the demand to support the buyout? I don't doubt his price will settle higher, but still.
Bogles won a GP and then that online championship event. Someone probably is just taking a risk that the deck will tick up in popularity. Honestly though most people are highly skeptical and I'd be willing to bet this is one attempt at market manipulation that will end up costing the person responsible more than any individual consumer.
With the overwhelmingly popular reception of Standard Challenge decks, how long till we see a line of say, 20 different Modern Challenge decks?
Burn at $100, Affinity and Tron at $300, Elves, Merfolk, Soul Sisters etc all priced competitively, all the way up to Death's Shadow and Jund.
It would be an amazing idea, putting exactly the needed reprints into the marketplace at the same time it puts a hard cap on singles prices.
I doubt we will ever see something like that. Wizards releasing these decks now is a way for them to squeeze as much value as they can out of the blocks that will be rotating out of Standard in the Fall. I don't ever see Wizards printing a product like this for Modern.
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Commander Decks UBG Muldrotha, Value Elemental GBU BRG Windgrace Real-Estate Ltd. GRB
#PayThePros
With the overwhelmingly popular reception of Standard Challenge decks, how long till we see a line of say, 20 different Modern Challenge decks?
Burn at $100, Affinity and Tron at $300, Elves, Merfolk, Soul Sisters etc all priced competitively, all the way up to Death's Shadow and Jund.
It would be an amazing idea, putting exactly the needed reprints into the marketplace at the same time it puts a hard cap on singles prices.
Will never happen. As noted, the Modern Event Deck, is a pretty good idea of what could take place, but they are never going to put Modern high end staples, the $80 dollar ones, in a pre-con, at multiples.
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Yup, M15 I believe. IIRC, she was originally slated for it, but Standard was dominated by Black for a while before that, so they pulled her to keep from tipping the format ever further into Black dominance.
WUBRG Humans
BRW Mardu Pyromancer
UW UW "Control"
UR Blue Moon
What I meant is that they almost are guaranteed to not print certain cards through standard again because of how powerful the card actually is, and that goes beyond just card equity. Wizards is doing some dubious things with cards like Snapcaster Mage at mythic as they seem to be trying to artificially create new 60+ dollar money cards when they can. It's kind of a bad idea on a card that is basically a 4 of in any deck that isn't legendary like that and I kind of wish they would keep cards like snapcaster at rare.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Yeah, Teeg is a solid buy at the moment. I generally only play two in my Bogles SB, but I recently picked up two more to complete the set because his price has been slowly ticking up and seems prime for a moderate spike. Currently, TCGplayer only has ~40 copies listed for each of its two printings.
Link to Discord server where anybody from MTGS can keep up with thread topics while everything is being sorted out with the new site.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
well mtg requires vastly more resources to develop and maintain. funnily enough though D&D has had quite a resurgence over the last 5 years or so. not so much because of anything wizards/hasbro has done, moreso because of cultural phenomenon.
UWGSnow-Bant Control
BURGrixis Death's Shadow
GWBCoCo Elves
WCDeath and Taxes(sold)Magic may as well be Wizards, and that is why 'reprint equity' matters.
If this jund spike isn't a bubble? Watch the next Masters set for Lilly, Bob, Goyf, Collected Brutality, and K Command.
Not all of them, but enough.
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Link to Discord server where anybody from MTGS can keep up with thread topics while everything is being sorted out with the new site.
Wasn't me. I have had 3 Gaddock Teeg since Lorwyn. Sold 1 years ago after a spike for $15 (when it spiked to $25) and kept the other 2 since.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Hmm, not me. Have only one Teeg, and selling it on our facebook group.
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RW R/W Burn WB B/W TokensXU MonuU Tron // UWX UW Tron
R GoblinsW Soul SistersRWG Small ZooWUR WUR Geist/Control/Kiki-Resto Combo/NahiriUR Splinter Twin (90% Japanese)/ Grixis TwinRUB UR Delver / Grixis Delver UR Blue MoonBWU Ad NauseamWDeath and TaxesRUB Grixis ControlUMerfolksX Affinity RGB Living End UR Storm/PiF Combo RGX R/G TRON GWU Bant Eldrazi BW Eldrazi and Taxes RUBGoryos Vengeance UB Faeries
Legacy:BRx Renimator
Playing right now: Standard: Jeskai Control Modern; GoryosVengeance/UBFaeries/Affinity Legacy: BRx Reanimator Pauper: UR Drake (banned) Commander: Merieke Ri Berit Esper
RW R/W Burn WB B/W TokensXU MonuU Tron // UWX UW Tron
R GoblinsW Soul SistersRWG Small ZooWUR WUR Geist/Control/Kiki-Resto Combo/NahiriUR Splinter Twin (90% Japanese)/ Grixis TwinRUB UR Delver / Grixis Delver UR Blue MoonBWU Ad NauseamWDeath and TaxesRUB Grixis ControlUMerfolksX Affinity RGB Living End UR Storm/PiF Combo RGX R/G TRON GWU Bant Eldrazi BW Eldrazi and Taxes RUBGoryos Vengeance UB Faeries
Legacy:BRx Renimator
Playing right now: Standard: Jeskai Control Modern; GoryosVengeance/UBFaeries/Affinity Legacy: BRx Reanimator Pauper: UR Drake (banned) Commander: Merieke Ri Berit Esper
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Bogles won a GP and then that online championship event. Someone probably is just taking a risk that the deck will tick up in popularity. Honestly though most people are highly skeptical and I'd be willing to bet this is one attempt at market manipulation that will end up costing the person responsible more than any individual consumer.
Spirits
Modern Decks:
UBG Lantern Control GBU
BRG Bridge-Vine GRB
Commander Decks
UBG Muldrotha, Value Elemental GBU
BRG Windgrace Real-Estate Ltd. GRB
#PayThePros
Burn at $100, Affinity and Tron at $300, Elves, Merfolk, Soul Sisters etc all priced competitively, all the way up to Death's Shadow and Jund.
It would be an amazing idea, putting exactly the needed reprints into the marketplace at the same time it puts a hard cap on singles prices.
I doubt we will ever see something like that. Wizards releasing these decks now is a way for them to squeeze as much value as they can out of the blocks that will be rotating out of Standard in the Fall. I don't ever see Wizards printing a product like this for Modern.
Modern Decks:
UBG Lantern Control GBU
BRG Bridge-Vine GRB
Commander Decks
UBG Muldrotha, Value Elemental GBU
BRG Windgrace Real-Estate Ltd. GRB
#PayThePros
If WOTC does that, how could they promote selling Master series?
From the business point of view, creating Modern Challenge decks is not a smart move.
We do have something similar before: Modern event deck
https://magic.wizards.com/en/content/modern-event-deck
, and there is no 2nd Modern event deck in the past four years.
Anything, but nothing at the moment...
Modern:
WUBRGAmulet Titan, WUBRGHuman
WUBRAd Nauseam, WBRGDeath Shadow, UBRGScapeshift, UBRGDredge
WURJeskai Nahiri, WURCheeri0s, WBGCounter Company, WRGBurn, UBRMadcap Moon, BRGJund Midrange
UBTurn,BRGriselbrand Reanimator, WGKnight Company, RGRG Tron, RGRG Ponza, XAffinity, XEldrazi Tron
Will never happen. As noted, the Modern Event Deck, is a pretty good idea of what could take place, but they are never going to put Modern high end staples, the $80 dollar ones, in a pre-con, at multiples.
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