One more prices question. Needing one Damnation for the sideboard of my BGx deck. Buy now or wait for Masters 25 spoilers... I have the feeling the price may rise if it's not reprinted in Masters 25. So my feeling is to buy one now. Is this a good idea?
is through the breach at its cheapest right now or will it be reprinted sometime within the year? I can see 25th masters but dunno
I'm currently borrowing my copies for when I occasionally play UR Breach. No way in heck am I paying $35 for a card that will likely drop 50% or more with a Masters reprint that could come at any time.
is through the breach at its cheapest right now or will it be reprinted sometime within the year? I can see 25th masters but dunno
I'm currently borrowing my copies for when I occasionally play UR Breach. No way in heck am I paying $35 for a card that will likely drop 50% or more with a Masters reprint that could come at any time.
yeah that's my issue, it's like $50 CDN because it has one regular printing in a set that's almost 14 years old
At some point, Wizards is going to make an announcement about MTGO that probably tanks the MTGO market. For instance, if Wizards released an article covering a three-year Arena/MTGO plan that culminated in MTGO getting phased out, cards would take a serious short-term hit. They would recover to some extent, sure, but they would almost definitely never return to their pre-announcement value. They'd also eventually be worthless and would probably decline towards worthlessness before they retained value. This puts businesses based on MTGO, and collections, at serious risk. An article like that could come at basically any time and with any message. Just look at the recent Arena economy announcement this week: totally out of the blue and my theoretical MTGO bundle has dropped 10% in the two days since then. As I said in another thread, this bundle (an actual bundle I sold on 09/2017) has never gained value since then and only kept value for a period of 1-2 weeks.
I don't expect this will be happen soon, but I'd bet it's going to happen. The chances of Wizards wanting to maintain two clients that do the same thing are much lower than those of an eventual phase-out.
Do you think they'll let you port collections over if they put Eternal/Non-rotating formats on Arenas?
Arena will be ported back to Magic Origins over the next year to 18 months, at which time WotC will announce a new format similar to Frontier - without, notably, fetchlands.
MTGO will be for old skool Modern and Legacy players, and the new format and Standard will be exclusively on Arena.
At some point, Wizards is going to make an announcement about MTGO that probably tanks the MTGO market. For instance, if Wizards released an article covering a three-year Arena/MTGO plan that culminated in MTGO getting phased out, cards would take a serious short-term hit. They would recover to some extent, sure, but they would almost definitely never return to their pre-announcement value. They'd also eventually be worthless and would probably decline towards worthlessness before they retained value. This puts businesses based on MTGO, and collections, at serious risk. An article like that could come at basically any time and with any message. Just look at the recent Arena economy announcement this week: totally out of the blue and my theoretical MTGO bundle has dropped 10% in the two days since then. As I said in another thread, this bundle (an actual bundle I sold on 09/2017) has never gained value since then and only kept value for a period of 1-2 weeks.
I don't expect this will be happen soon, but I'd bet it's going to happen. The chances of Wizards wanting to maintain two clients that do the same thing are much lower than those of an eventual phase-out.
Do you think they'll let you port collections over if they put Eternal/Non-rotating formats on Arenas?
Almost certainly not. Arena is 2 years away from release at best though so it's too early to get into any specifics.
Arena will be ported back to Magic Origins over the next year to 18 months, at which time WotC will announce a new format similar to Frontier - without, notably, fetchlands.
MTGO will be for old skool Modern and Legacy players, and the new format and Standard will be exclusively on Arena.
Anyway, to something more on topic... I've seen chameleon colossus slowly climb for weeks now. It seems to always be on the daily interest section of MTGStocks. Any modern applications to this?
We all know Modern is not going to last forever. That's not the problem. The problem is the timeline. If I knew Modern was ending in 10 years, I don't think that would affect any MTG-related decisions I made in the next 1-2 years. 10 years is just too far away for anything short of an investment perspective, and I don't invest in Magic intending to make bank. But if Arena suggests a faster and more concrete turnaround. That's bad news for Modern on a shorter time frame, and very bad news for MTGO on a shorter time frame still. Pre-Arena, there was no "real" phenomena that would have realistically precipitated a new format announcement. Modern was too popular and the status quo was too set. But Arena is a status quo disruptor with Modern almost explicitly built out of the product. This dramatically increases the risk.
I caution people with significant MTGO investments/stock to monitor Arena-based communication and signs very closely. Since the last Arena announcement in 09/2017, my MTGO collection only held its value for a 1-2 week period... up until the most recent Arena announcement where it is down 16% still. Be ready to move your MTGO product very quickly.
That said, an MTGO-to-Arena import promise would probably RAISE the stock of MTGO. Again, this just underscores risk. There is significant risk and volatility in MTGO and Modern-based value right now and it's driven by Arena and the direction Arena represents.
Anyway, to something more on topic... I've seen chameleon colossus slowly climb for weeks now. It seems to always be on the daily interest section of MTGStocks. Any modern applications to this?
Its a Human, its a Merfolk. It dodges Fatal Push. That would be my guess.
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Anyway, to something more on topic... I've seen chameleon colossus slowly climb for weeks now. It seems to always be on the daily interest section of MTGStocks. Any modern applications to this?
Its a Human, its a Merfolk. It dodges Fatal Push. That would be my guess.
It's quite strong against grixis death shadow, and to some extent jund shadow. They have to anger/bolt or bolt/snap/bolt to get it off the table. The decks that want it can drop it turn 3 reliably, then give plenty of time to build a board around it. Shadow can drop enough threats to punch through it, the issue is the crack back because only goyf and snapcaster can block it, and often enough it's not a profitable block.
As mentioned above it plays well with lords.
It naturally survives anger.
If your opponent paths it then that's one less femproblem gal for part of a combo engine in something like vizier company, elves or bant knightfall.
That being said it often only shows up as a 1 of in the side. I don't expect it to be the new break out card to be dusted off. It's useful, but doesn't impact every stage of the game against every deck or anything.
We all know Modern is not going to last forever. That's not the problem. The problem is the timeline.
I've moved out of modern, liquidating my cards aside from 2 decks, and trading for Masterpieces. Sold a lot as well. I'm actually holding onto all my cards origins onwards in anticipation of massive spikes. Granted, this is all in paper, as I have 0 presence in digital magic.
I'm not sure how they will wind down MTGO, or if they will even do so. I can't see them being willing to expend the man hours to code all of Magic into Arena, what with all the corner cases and niche cards. So long as Modern is popular, I think people will want access to MTGO. However, will WOTC support 2 coding teams to keep both systems updated with every set?
We all know Modern is not going to last forever. That's not the problem. The problem is the timeline.
I've moved out of modern, liquidating my cards aside from 2 decks, and trading for Masterpieces. Sold a lot as well. I'm actually holding onto all my cards origins onwards in anticipation of massive spikes. Granted, this is all in paper, as I have 0 presence in digital magic.
I'm not sure how they will wind down MTGO, or if they will even do so. I can't see them being willing to expend the man hours to code all of Magic into Arena, what with all the corner cases and niche cards. So long as Modern is popular, I think people will want access to MTGO. However, will WOTC support 2 coding teams to keep both systems updated with every set?
Reading about the Beta Arena notes, that is a HUGE maybe. Over time, those Arena cards are going to reach critical mass (as in the number of cards released). This article mentions only one format, Standard and no other. It also fails to hint at any sort of 3rd part economy as it exists on MTGO.
Even with their databases, I'm thinking they'll never port the pre-Arena cards into Arena. They didn't do... what? About 800* cards from Alpha through to The Dark into MTGO? That's a lot.
Based on my limited knowledge of both, it seems that Arena has a lot to do with getting rid of the 3rd party market. That makes sense. If I realized that many digital cards had a real market value I, as the developer, might want to see if I can get a bigger slice of that pie. One way to do that would be to get rid of the 3rd party and just control the market myself in its entirety. In fact, many of the things discussed on that page are actually things I might try for exactly that reason.
Take my words with a bit of salt. I don't play either MTGO or Arena. Neither interests me enough other than a cursory look over. Certainly not enough to spend real money on them.
We all know Modern is not going to last forever. That's not the problem. The problem is the timeline.
I've moved out of modern, liquidating my cards aside from 2 decks, and trading for Masterpieces. Sold a lot as well. I'm actually holding onto all my cards origins onwards in anticipation of massive spikes. Granted, this is all in paper, as I have 0 presence in digital magic.
I'm not sure how they will wind down MTGO, or if they will even do so. I can't see them being willing to expend the man hours to code all of Magic into Arena, what with all the corner cases and niche cards. So long as Modern is popular, I think people will want access to MTGO. However, will WOTC support 2 coding teams to keep both systems updated with every set?
Reading about the Beta Arena notes, that is a HUGE maybe. Over time, those Arena cards are going to reach critical mass (as in the number of cards released). This article mentions only one format, Standard and no other. It also fails to hint at any sort of 3rd part economy as it exists on MTGO.
Even with their databases, I'm thinking they'll never port the pre-Arena cards into Arena. They didn't do... what? About 800* cards from Alpha through to The Dark into MTGO? That's a lot.
Based on my limited knowledge of both, it seems that Arena has a lot to do with getting rid of the 3rd party market. That makes sense. If I realized that many digital cards had a real market value I, as the developer, might want to see if I can get a bigger slice of that pie. One way to do that would be to get rid of the 3rd party and just control the market myself in its entirety. In fact, many of the things discussed on that page are actually things I might try for exactly that reason.
Take my words with a bit of salt. I don't play either MTGO or Arena. Neither interests me enough other than a cursory look over. Certainly not enough to spend real money on them.
* Based on an article from SCG.
I agree with this. There are ample quotes from the FAQ and other Wizards source material to suggest this is a way to get the secondary market under control. Secondary market availability is a major driver behind the current Modern/Legacy/non-rotating landscape, and we should be worried what a future without that market looks like with respect to those formats.
Don't they have to be careful destroying the secondary market? Stores don't make that much money selling packs, they make money from bringing in bodies in the store, getting them to buy singles, snacks and sodas
If stores don't find it profitable, couldn't that lead to MTG really being digital?
I don't understand why Arean can't be coded so that after someone has 4x copies they can no longer have any more. Or deny sellers.
Don't they have to be careful destroying the secondary market? Stores don't make that much money selling packs, they make money from bringing in bodies in the store, getting them to buy singles, snacks and sodas
If stores don't find it profitable, couldn't that lead to MTG really being digital?
I don't understand why Arean can't be coded so that after someone has 4x copies they can no longer have any more. Or deny sellers.
I don't think it's the end of the secondary market as a whole. Paper secondary market sales should not be affected. Even if Modern/Legacy/EDH/etc. took a hit with Arena, a) they should remain popular enough in paper or b) if they are replaced, the paper equivalent of their replacements will be profitable for the secondary market too. It's just the MTGO secondary market which would be in trouble. Then again, if online support falters for these formats, paper support will probably also stumble as well. It would definitely undermine confidence in the entire non-rotating picture and lower confidence tends to lead to economic impact.
I'm not currently in total abandon-ship mode. I'm just nervous due to the language being used around Arena and the decisions made that are hyper-focused at Standard/Limited and completely silent as to nonrotating formats. Any announcement could torpedo the entire MTGO picture.
Anyway, to something more on topic... I've seen chameleon colossus slowly climb for weeks now. It seems to always be on the daily interest section of MTGStocks. Any modern applications to this?
Its a Human, its a Merfolk. It dodges Fatal Push. That would be my guess.
That about sums it up. It was a steady $0.50 card until Aether Revolt's release. It has become a near-staple in Ponza decks and a solid SB option for Elves.
Modern isn't going anywhere. While WoTC May have thrown it's back behind modern some years ago, people were clamoring for a format where they could play with their collection well before that point. Now that the format has been established for a while and is popular, the only thing that will end it is if people find better formats to go and move to. That and while the high cost on some cards may discourage many players from entering the format, it also has the effect of keeping people in modern. No one spends 200 dollars on playset of something just to have the worlds most expensive wall flower staring at them from their trade binders.
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Don't they have to be careful destroying the secondary market? Stores don't make that much money selling packs, they make money from bringing in bodies in the store, getting them to buy singles, snacks and sodas
If stores don't find it profitable, couldn't that lead to MTG really being digital?
I don't understand why Arean can't be coded so that after someone has 4x copies they can no longer have any more. Or deny sellers.
You don't really want LGS to go pure digital. Historically, such game cafes don't last very long.
If you read the article I link to you'll see that Arena is coded to give you points towards something called a "Vault" in lieu of that 5th card. In addition, this quote straight from the article,
In tabletop Magic, players can collect certain cards by trading for them. We discussed trading at length and concluded that for digital we could create a better experience if we gave players a different way to collect the cards they want.
Feel free to interpret this as you will.
To be honest, I feel my posts are deviating too much from what this thread is really about, Modern. So I'll end my discussion on this.
I don't see any chance that Wizards ports older cards into Arena, at least not for a long time and only if arena is profitable enough to want to expand. I could see them going back as far as say, origins, but Modern just isn't going to be in Arena. It would take way too much catch up for a product that needs those resources elsewhere.
I have been slowly moving some of my staples and keeping 3-4 decks but that is more to do with my lack of ability to play the game as much as I used to than it is any doomsaying of the format. Modern is the best thing Wizards has going at the moment and I don't see it taking any negative hit from Arena. WotC is just stuck in this weird period where there best format is nearly impossible to port and manage properly in their new product, but also card games are going digital and they are trying not to fall behind; I certainly don't envy their situation.
My money for a financial speculation regarding the upcoming Modern Pro Tour is in Through the Breach/Emrakul, Ensnaring Bridge/Opal and Karn/Ugin. I'm biased in that I think UR Breach is the secret best deck that not enough people are playing but I really think it's going to get picked up by some number of players at the PT. Would be huge news if it got like top 16 or 8, I would expect either piece of the combo to spike, Through the Breach seems like its lined up for a reprint eventually and I would expect a reprint of this before we see another Emrakul. The other cards I selected are the money barriers to their respective decks and I think we will see a lot of pros on Lantern and a version of Tron. Ensnaring Bridge also seems likely to hit a reprint but aside from Mox Opal most of the staples are cheap. But Opal and Bridge are the most powerful cards in the deck and ones I would expect to dry up. Karn may get a reprint and if that happens I expect Ugin to pick up some dollars but if neither get a reprint and Tron does well then I would expect these 2 to spike. I would love for all of them to get reprints but I don't want people to be priced out of a deck or archetype but these 3 decks seem like they will do well at the PT. Although there is a chance none of these decks do well enough to put someone into the top 16 and we see a large number of teams playing the same few lists. I really hope this PT is enjoyable to watch and we get to see some interaction and decision making.
-4x Ancestral vision (3x from dual decks NM 1x time spiral EX) and 5.00€ to me
for
-2x stomping ground and 3x steam vents (all NM from RTR)
Ancestral vision playsets are by 60.00€ minimun on europe and him value his playset by 45.00€, my cards are 50.00€ and i already have 8x of each so i dont need those shocklands
Its a good trade? Its Ancestral a good card to have?
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Modern: RW R/W Burn WB B/W TokensXU MonuU Tron // UWX UW Tron R GoblinsW Soul SistersRWG Small ZooWUR WUR Geist/Control/Kiki-Resto Combo/NahiriUR Splinter Twin (90% Japanese)/ Grixis TwinRUB UR Delver / Grixis Delver UR Blue MoonBWU Ad NauseamWDeath and TaxesRUB Grixis ControlUMerfolksX Affinity RGB Living End UR Storm/PiF Combo RGX R/G TRON GWU Bant Eldrazi BW Eldrazi and Taxes RUBGoryos Vengeance UB Faeries Legacy:BRx Renimator Playing right now:Standard: Jeskai Control Modern; GoryosVengeance/UBFaeries/Affinity Legacy: BRx Reanimator Pauper: UR Drake (banned) Commander: Merieke Ri Berit Esper
-4x Ancestral vision (3x from dual decks NM 1x time spiral EX) and 5.00€ to me
for
-2x stomping ground and 3x steam vents (all NM from RTR)
Ancestral vision playsets are by 60.00€ minimun on europe and him value his playset by 45.00€, my cards are 50.00€ and i already have 8x of each so i dont need those shocklands
Its a good trade? Its Ancestral a good card to have?
Meh, personally I'd hold onto the shocks if you don't plan on playing the Visions in a deck(s) anytime soon. The IMA reprint coupled with the limited amount of play it sees doesn't allow the value much room to grow, so all else being equal, I'd rather have the shocks, because I'd most likely get more use out of them. These type of trades are pretty pointless IMO considering WotC's itchy reprint trigger finger; sitting on cards that currently have value, but aren't being played is bad news bears if you're worried about the financial aspect.
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Staffyeah that's my issue, it's like $50 CDN because it has one regular printing in a set that's almost 14 years old
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
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Arena will be ported back to Magic Origins over the next year to 18 months, at which time WotC will announce a new format similar to Frontier - without, notably, fetchlands.
MTGO will be for old skool Modern and Legacy players, and the new format and Standard will be exclusively on Arena.
Almost certainly not. Arena is 2 years away from release at best though so it's too early to get into any specifics.
Careful now... I made similar remarks over 6 months ago and got ran out for being a conspiracy theorist. Here's a link to my reasonings as to why it would happen (even before arena was announced) if you want to take a look. http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/778052-does-modern-as-a-format-name-make-sense-today#c11
Anyway, to something more on topic... I've seen chameleon colossus slowly climb for weeks now. It seems to always be on the daily interest section of MTGStocks. Any modern applications to this?
I caution people with significant MTGO investments/stock to monitor Arena-based communication and signs very closely. Since the last Arena announcement in 09/2017, my MTGO collection only held its value for a 1-2 week period... up until the most recent Arena announcement where it is down 16% still. Be ready to move your MTGO product very quickly.
That said, an MTGO-to-Arena import promise would probably RAISE the stock of MTGO. Again, this just underscores risk. There is significant risk and volatility in MTGO and Modern-based value right now and it's driven by Arena and the direction Arena represents.
Its a Human, its a Merfolk. It dodges Fatal Push. That would be my guess.
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It's quite strong against grixis death shadow, and to some extent jund shadow. They have to anger/bolt or bolt/snap/bolt to get it off the table. The decks that want it can drop it turn 3 reliably, then give plenty of time to build a board around it. Shadow can drop enough threats to punch through it, the issue is the crack back because only goyf and snapcaster can block it, and often enough it's not a profitable block.
As mentioned above it plays well with lords.
It naturally survives anger.
If your opponent paths it then that's one less femproblem gal for part of a combo engine in something like vizier company, elves or bant knightfall.
That being said it often only shows up as a 1 of in the side. I don't expect it to be the new break out card to be dusted off. It's useful, but doesn't impact every stage of the game against every deck or anything.
I've moved out of modern, liquidating my cards aside from 2 decks, and trading for Masterpieces. Sold a lot as well. I'm actually holding onto all my cards origins onwards in anticipation of massive spikes. Granted, this is all in paper, as I have 0 presence in digital magic.
I'm not sure how they will wind down MTGO, or if they will even do so. I can't see them being willing to expend the man hours to code all of Magic into Arena, what with all the corner cases and niche cards. So long as Modern is popular, I think people will want access to MTGO. However, will WOTC support 2 coding teams to keep both systems updated with every set?
Reading about the Beta Arena notes, that is a HUGE maybe. Over time, those Arena cards are going to reach critical mass (as in the number of cards released). This article mentions only one format, Standard and no other. It also fails to hint at any sort of 3rd part economy as it exists on MTGO.
Even with their databases, I'm thinking they'll never port the pre-Arena cards into Arena. They didn't do... what? About 800* cards from Alpha through to The Dark into MTGO? That's a lot.
Based on my limited knowledge of both, it seems that Arena has a lot to do with getting rid of the 3rd party market. That makes sense. If I realized that many digital cards had a real market value I, as the developer, might want to see if I can get a bigger slice of that pie. One way to do that would be to get rid of the 3rd party and just control the market myself in its entirety. In fact, many of the things discussed on that page are actually things I might try for exactly that reason.
Take my words with a bit of salt. I don't play either MTGO or Arena. Neither interests me enough other than a cursory look over. Certainly not enough to spend real money on them.
* Based on an article from SCG.
I agree with this. There are ample quotes from the FAQ and other Wizards source material to suggest this is a way to get the secondary market under control. Secondary market availability is a major driver behind the current Modern/Legacy/non-rotating landscape, and we should be worried what a future without that market looks like with respect to those formats.
If stores don't find it profitable, couldn't that lead to MTG really being digital?
I don't understand why Arean can't be coded so that after someone has 4x copies they can no longer have any more. Or deny sellers.
I don't think it's the end of the secondary market as a whole. Paper secondary market sales should not be affected. Even if Modern/Legacy/EDH/etc. took a hit with Arena, a) they should remain popular enough in paper or b) if they are replaced, the paper equivalent of their replacements will be profitable for the secondary market too. It's just the MTGO secondary market which would be in trouble. Then again, if online support falters for these formats, paper support will probably also stumble as well. It would definitely undermine confidence in the entire non-rotating picture and lower confidence tends to lead to economic impact.
I'm not currently in total abandon-ship mode. I'm just nervous due to the language being used around Arena and the decisions made that are hyper-focused at Standard/Limited and completely silent as to nonrotating formats. Any announcement could torpedo the entire MTGO picture.
That about sums it up. It was a steady $0.50 card until Aether Revolt's release. It has become a near-staple in Ponza decks and a solid SB option for Elves.
Link to Discord server where anybody from MTGS can keep up with thread topics while everything is being sorted out with the new site.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
You don't really want LGS to go pure digital. Historically, such game cafes don't last very long.
If you read the article I link to you'll see that Arena is coded to give you points towards something called a "Vault" in lieu of that 5th card. In addition, this quote straight from the article,
Feel free to interpret this as you will.
To be honest, I feel my posts are deviating too much from what this thread is really about, Modern. So I'll end my discussion on this.
I have been slowly moving some of my staples and keeping 3-4 decks but that is more to do with my lack of ability to play the game as much as I used to than it is any doomsaying of the format. Modern is the best thing Wizards has going at the moment and I don't see it taking any negative hit from Arena. WotC is just stuck in this weird period where there best format is nearly impossible to port and manage properly in their new product, but also card games are going digital and they are trying not to fall behind; I certainly don't envy their situation.
RG BBE Ponza
UX Eldrazi Tron
UR Jace Breach
-4x Ancestral vision (3x from dual decks NM 1x time spiral EX) and 5.00€ to me
for
-2x stomping ground and 3x steam vents (all NM from RTR)
Ancestral vision playsets are by 60.00€ minimun on europe and him value his playset by 45.00€, my cards are 50.00€ and i already have 8x of each so i dont need those shocklands
Its a good trade? Its Ancestral a good card to have?
RW R/W Burn WB B/W TokensXU MonuU Tron // UWX UW Tron
R GoblinsW Soul SistersRWG Small ZooWUR WUR Geist/Control/Kiki-Resto Combo/NahiriUR Splinter Twin (90% Japanese)/ Grixis TwinRUB UR Delver / Grixis Delver UR Blue MoonBWU Ad NauseamWDeath and TaxesRUB Grixis ControlUMerfolksX Affinity RGB Living End UR Storm/PiF Combo RGX R/G TRON GWU Bant Eldrazi BW Eldrazi and Taxes RUBGoryos Vengeance UB Faeries
Legacy:BRx Renimator
Playing right now: Standard: Jeskai Control Modern; GoryosVengeance/UBFaeries/Affinity Legacy: BRx Reanimator Pauper: UR Drake (banned) Commander: Merieke Ri Berit Esper
Meh, personally I'd hold onto the shocks if you don't plan on playing the Visions in a deck(s) anytime soon. The IMA reprint coupled with the limited amount of play it sees doesn't allow the value much room to grow, so all else being equal, I'd rather have the shocks, because I'd most likely get more use out of them. These type of trades are pretty pointless IMO considering WotC's itchy reprint trigger finger; sitting on cards that currently have value, but aren't being played is bad news bears if you're worried about the financial aspect.
Link to Discord server where anybody from MTGS can keep up with thread topics while everything is being sorted out with the new site.