Personally I'd love Goyf to hit 30-35 bucks as I don't have any and my hard cap on singular cards is that 30-35 dollar range. That self imposed cap means I really have to be up on prices and trends to avoid spikes.
I've been eyeing Mirrodin & MM Oblivion Stone recently as it seems to be bottoming out once again.
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For goyf to hit the 30 usd mark, it would have to be printed at Rare instead of mythic in an upcoming set and even then, it would have to be a heavily opened set. Snapcaster mage is in desperate need of a rare reprinting to get him in check as well unless wizards wants that thing to be as inaccessible as goyf was.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Personally I'd love Goyf to hit 30-35 bucks as I don't have any and my hard cap on singular cards is that 30-35 dollar range. That self imposed cap means I really have to be up on prices and trends to avoid spikes.
I've been eyeing Mirrodin & MM Oblivion Stone recently as it seems to be bottoming out once again.
I don't think Goyf will ever hit $30, but $50-$45 is possible if the meta doesn't change soon.
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WoTC, thank you for finally announcing the Modern format, an eternal format where everyone can participate.
It is hard to predict Masterpieces on the long term, since they are a rather new addition to Magic, the first being printed in BFZ not even 2 years ago. That said, the price of a Pact of Negation Invocation is actually LOWER than other foil versions, despite its rarity. This tells me that they are simply not in great demand, probably because players in general do not like the Invocation card frame, and the greatest reason for its price point it the high base value of Pact of Negation. Also, I don't care much for the illustration, but that's personal.
The moment it is reprinted, the Invocation's price will go down, and there are two Masters set coming in the next 6 months. The same thing happened to Wasteland's price when it was reprinted in Eternal Masters. I got out at $250 on that one, and I am really glad I did.
And I have another question about the canals themselves. Do you think they will drop hard once they rotate out of standard, or will they still retain some value?
Look at the prices of the allied fastlands and you will get your answer. They have some use in Modern so they will retain value.
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It is hard to predict Masterpieces on the long term, since they are a rather new addition to Magic, the first being printed in BFZ not even 2 years ago. That said, the price of a Pact of Negation Invocation is actually LOWER than other foil versions, despite its rarity. This tells me that they are simply not in great demand, probably because players in general do not like the Invocation card frame, and the greatest reason for its price point it the high base value of Pact of Negation. Also, I don't care much for the illustration, but that's personal.
The moment it is reprinted, the Invocation's price will go down, and there are two Masters set coming in the next 6 months. The same thing happened to Wasteland's price when it was reprinted in Eternal Masters. I got out at $250 on that one, and I am really glad I did.
Yeah, from experience the majority of cards on the secondary market are priced the way they are due to two factors:
1) People bought in high and don't want to sell them for less than what they paid for them. Time wears this barrier down slowly and eventually you see price drops as people lament they can't sell the cards for what they original bought them at.
2) Many of the cards have been out of print for ages and there aren't a lot of copies floating around, making them hard to keep in stock even with low demand. How many future sight and modern masters copies of Pact of Negation are really out there? My guess is not a whole lot of them and probably 70% of those copies are trapped in dusty trade binders or in peoples decks. Compare that to anything in RTR and up where there are still tons of copies of cards just stuck in sealed boosters.
Wizards can easily fix the pricing on the market for constructed if they wanted to, it's just that they are locked into this mindset of only caring about sealed / limited. The only concern they have with the constructed market is how much it pushes their spotlight heroes and villains cards and what kind of light it shines on their recently released set. Modern Masters and other Masters series are them repackaging leftovers and selling them as caviar.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Also on mtgprice, it shows Pithing Needle as going up to over $20 today. That can't be right, right?
P.S. - How do you get the card to not show the Invocation version? There's gotta be a way for it to not default to the Masterpiece Needle and Locust Invo.
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Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
Also on mtgprice, it shows Pithing Needle as going up to over $20 today. That can't be right, right?
P.S. - How do you get the card to not show the Invocation version? There's gotta be a way for it to not default to the Masterpiece Needle and Locust Invo.
Well one of those cards isn't even Modern legal. it's EDH.
as far as Needle, not sure what was going on, but the Saviors version doesn't even hit $5, and that's the most expensive non-masterpiece
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Wizards is experimenting right now with set interactions on the market from what I can tell. The reason they swapped in Commander in the summer between the two standard releases is because they want to see if the tribal decks + standard having tribal support for those decks boosts pack sales. Unfortunately, they also ended up picking up some bad deals on who does the print runs as it seems the factories they chose are not secure enough to prevent major leaks. Also, they seem to have cardboard quality on the level of Walmart gift cards given how the printing of HOU went and assuming these are the same factories.
As for modern, I think the reintroduction of modern tournament play will have the greatest impact on the market.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Wizards is experimenting right now with set interactions on the market from what I can tell. The reason they swapped in Commander in the summer between the two standard releases is because they want to see if the tribal decks + standard having tribal support for those decks boosts pack sales. Unfortunately, they also ended up picking up some bad deals on who does the print runs as it seems the factories they chose are not secure enough to prevent major leaks. Also, they seem to have cardboard quality on the level of Walmart gift cards given how the printing of HOU went and assuming these are the same factories.
As for modern, I think the reintroduction of modern tournament play will have the greatest impact on the market.
Agreed. And as such, if a popular pro does even just "ok" with a Tarmogoyf deck at the PT, it will spike right back up.
Wizards is experimenting right now with set interactions on the market from what I can tell. The reason they swapped in Commander in the summer between the two standard releases is because they want to see if the tribal decks + standard having tribal support for those decks boosts pack sales. Unfortunately, they also ended up picking up some bad deals on who does the print runs as it seems the factories they chose are not secure enough to prevent major leaks. Also, they seem to have cardboard quality on the level of Walmart gift cards given how the printing of HOU went and assuming these are the same factories.
As for modern, I think the reintroduction of modern tournament play will have the greatest impact on the market.
Agreed. And as such, if a popular pro does even just "ok" with a Tarmogoyf deck at the PT, it will spike right back up.
With more answers against it now than before, even if it sees some success it likely will never achieve the lofty heights it did before. The card really isn't as good as the price tag implied anyway, it ended up that way due to scarcity, which then got solved by multiple reprints. It still shouldn't have been reprinted at mythic, though. The card is really a rare.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
(Note to Moderators and readers - I realize this is not strictly a discussion of Modern card prices, but at the same time, these cards are modern and standard legal. I understand if this is moved, but note this is NOT a discussion about Frontier.)
I'd like to discuss a new format that is looming. As I've seen new sets roll out with the hologram, I'm becoming aware of format staples being printed under new names and with new costs. I am watching the groundwork be laid out for a brand new format, and precautions taken to ensure certain elements remain under control. This format will likely supplement Modern. In my estimation, we are in the final year or two of Modern as a format. Modern Masters was a beautiful way to monetize the demand before letting it go the way of Legacy (yet Legacy seems to be getting more popular, as people realize you can build decent decks without dual lands)
I'm not going to go into an exhaustive list, but, for instance, we do know MaRo is adamantly opposed to fetchlands in any new format replacing Modern. As such, a new format will not be able to grab the named dual lands currently in Modern. I do not expect any card to be able to do that on the level of current fetchlands. I could see a card released in coming years that searches for a specific basic such as 'search your library for a Plains', as have been printed in the past. This will not occur until the BFZ cycle rotates out, obviously. But will it wait until the Kaladesh cycle rotate? If such a card is released, their playability in a new format is greatly enhanced.
Meanwhile, the only real fetchland in the current crop of sets that we accept as being eligible for a new format, be it Khans of Tarkir or Origins, is Sylvan Scrying. In a new format, as the only non-basic land tutor this card could easily see a sharp spike upwards. Likewise for other format staple replacements like Transgress the Mind ( IOK/Thoughtseize), Vessel of Nascency, Attune with Aether, and a host of others.
My father has a test on investing: "If I put $X on the ground and walked away, would it hurt me?" If the answer was no, he could invest.
With cards like Sylvan Scrying, Crook of Condemnation, Immolating Glare that would quickly become format staples it might not be a bad investment to sink $25 into getting ~100 them, in the hopes that in a few years, they become a huge demand item, with the attendant spike. If they do not, you haven't lost much. The trick is figuring out which currently cheap cards will be these staples.
I happen to think you are incorrect on the death of Modern in two years. It may come someday, but not within two years.
As for speculating on cards at a quarter a piece there isn't a whole lot of risk unless you are buying thousands of them.
And as for fetches in a post-Modern format, there is Traverse the Ulvenwald in which I would think would spike way harder than Sylvan Scrying being a Rare and that it sees current play as well.
I think we should keep the conversation on Modern pricing.
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I think the predictions of Modern going anywhere are premature...to say the least. A year? Do you have any sense of how short a period a year is. Two?? With all the dramatic reversals on their positions they have had, Wizards is not in a place to open up a new Format, and there is no need.
Can you imagine if this last year people didnt have Modern to save Wizards? Nope, they will not abandon their best format.
Attune with Aether is another, but they get basics. Evolving Wilds does that, and puts it into play. Sylvan Scrying will get any land.
That was what I was trying to say. Traverse will get any land if on Delirium plus the ability to snag a creature as well making it more utilitarian. In a post-Modern format, Traverse will spike quite a bit higher although it currently sits around 5 bucks.
I'll reiterate, we should probably keep the discussion on Modern pricing.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
(Note to Moderators and readers - I realize this is not strictly a discussion of Modern card prices, but at the same time, these cards are modern and standard legal. I understand if this is moved, but note this is NOT a discussion about Frontier.)
Part of what keeps Modern reasonable is that the upper end of the format isn't increasing. Goyf, Liliana, they're at stable prices right now, and the cost of Jund as a whole hasn't really changed lately. It means the format has a controller upper bound on the price. Legacy just keeps increasing, we just saw Underground Sea spike to 500 on SCG after the PT trios announcement. The whole point of Modern losing to Standard or Frontier is a cost argument, but I think players are relatively happy with the cost of the format with respect to how long decks are playable. Standard has just been a mess lately with all the bans and unhealthy formats. I do hear good things about Frontier, I just don't think people care enough when Modern is healthy and not expensive to the point it's prohibitive.
Part of what keeps Modern reasonable is that the upper end of the format isn't increasing. Goyf, Liliana, they're at stable prices right now, and the cost of Jund as a whole hasn't really changed lately. It means the format has a controller upper bound on the price. Legacy just keeps increasing, we just saw Underground Sea spike to 500 on SCG after the PT trios announcement. The whole point of Modern losing to Standard or Frontier is a cost argument, but I think players are relatively happy with the cost of the format with respect to how long decks are playable. Standard has just been a mess lately with all the bans and unhealthy formats. I do hear good things about Frontier, I just don't think people care enough when Modern is healthy and not expensive to the point it's prohibitive.
I agree with you. Just to add my opinion, most modern decks don't fluctuate in cost/value generally. This has the added benefit that if you have a deck that isn't running cards for an exclusive archtype (not arcbound ravager for example), you can use them in other decks ( ex. thoughtseize).
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For goyf to hit the 30 usd mark, it would have to be printed at Rare instead of mythic in an upcoming set and even then, it would have to be a heavily opened set. Snapcaster mage is in desperate need of a rare reprinting to get him in check as well unless wizards wants that thing to be as inaccessible as goyf was.
If goyf ever hits 30$, then I've just thrown away more than 40$ - because bought one for 76 at the start of July...
Cancelled buying anymore goyf for now because the price seems to be unstable. A bit awkward having an SCG "tarmodie" when my deck only has one goyf... oh well, but sometimes the opponent will think there's more goyf in the deck if they see me put one in play. ^__^
It just won't go down to $30 like that. Stores control the descent of a card's price, unless the card is outright banned. If they purchased their copies from players for $60-70, they're not going to drop down to that level, they are going to slash the price by $5-10 at some point, see if there are any takers, slash it again a month latter if they still have a lot of stock, until the stock coming in and the stock coming out are balanced.
Despite not seeing as much play due to the (relative) poor performance of GBx midrange, it is still a card that slots easily in a lot of decks (especially CoCo decks) and can win game on its own. I believe it may reach a low of $70 before casual or less wealthy Modern players simply jump on the available stock.
As for the two upcoming Masters set, I doubt there will be any duplicates in Modern Masters 2017, Iconic Masters and 25 Masters int the Rares and Mythics: they have enough cards to reprint for Modern, Legacy and Commander to fill up those slots. Also note that once those products are released, the interest in MM17 should go down.
(Note to Moderators and readers - I realize this is not strictly a discussion of Modern card prices, but at the same time, these cards are modern and standard legal. I understand if this is moved, but note this is NOT a discussion about Frontier.)
I'd like to discuss a new format that is looming. As I've seen new sets roll out with the hologram, I'm becoming aware of format staples being printed under new names and with new costs. I am watching the groundwork be laid out for a brand new format, and precautions taken to ensure certain elements remain under control. This format will likely supplement Modern. In my estimation, we are in the final year or two of Modern as a format. Modern Masters was a beautiful way to monetize the demand before letting it go the way of Legacy (yet Legacy seems to be getting more popular, as people realize you can build decent decks without dual lands)
I'm not going to go into an exhaustive list, but, for instance, we do know MaRo is adamantly opposed to fetchlands in any new format replacing Modern. As such, a new format will not be able to grab the named dual lands currently in Modern. I do not expect any card to be able to do that on the level of current fetchlands. I could see a card released in coming years that searches for a specific basic such as 'search your library for a Plains', as have been printed in the past. This will not occur until the BFZ cycle rotates out, obviously. But will it wait until the Kaladesh cycle rotate? If such a card is released, their playability in a new format is greatly enhanced.
Meanwhile, the only real fetchland in the current crop of sets that we accept as being eligible for a new format, be it Khans of Tarkir or Origins, is Sylvan Scrying. In a new format, as the only non-basic land tutor this card could easily see a sharp spike upwards. Likewise for other format staple replacements like Transgress the Mind ( IOK/Thoughtseize), Vessel of Nascency, Attune with Aether, and a host of others.
My father has a test on investing: "If I put $X on the ground and walked away, would it hurt me?" If the answer was no, he could invest.
With cards like Sylvan Scrying, Crook of Condemnation, Immolating Glare that would quickly become format staples it might not be a bad investment to sink $25 into getting ~100 them, in the hopes that in a few years, they become a huge demand item, with the attendant spike. If they do not, you haven't lost much. The trick is figuring out which currently cheap cards will be these staples.
If you're playing a long, long investment game, there isn't much harm in this. You risk all those cards being reprinted, but the entry cost is probably quite low for many of the cards you are thinking of. That said, there is basically a 0% chance Modern goes anywhere for years to come. We're talking a 5-10 year scale here. It's Wizards' most popular format, they just introduced it back to the PT, and its tournaments generally have the best overall attendance for all providers. We all watched that ridiculous Frontier format crash and burn and we've seen Modern continue to put up impressive numbers.
I suppose if you want to invest in the 5-10 (or more) investment range, go for it. But I think it's a much better use of your money to speculate on Modern staples, given that Modern isn't going anywhere and the profits will be more immediate, more certain (if you speculate well), and more predictable.
WOTC isn't going to make a new eternal format that is basically standard plus the previous year's two blocks. Why replace modern, or even try to damage legacy, when WOTC can print a "Masters" set every year and make a ton of cash without nearly the level of expense for R&D? The profit margin on those sets has to be way up compared to standard sets.
WOTC isn't going to make a new eternal format that is basically standard plus the previous year's two blocks. Why replace modern, or even try to damage legacy, when WOTC can print a "Masters" set every year and make a ton of cash without nearly the level of expense for R&D? The profit margin on those sets has to be way up compared to standard sets.
This. People act like Modern card scarcity is going to kill the format by making staples too expensive like Legacy. Legacy's primary problem is the reserve list. WotC can cash in on any staple that gains too high a price tag by printing it in a Masters set to ensure the product sells. The only thing that would kill Modern is dwindling popularity in the format... which shows no signs of happening right now. It's been perhaps the most popular format for a while now.
WOTC isn't going to make a new eternal format that is basically standard plus the previous year's two blocks. Why replace modern, or even try to damage legacy, when WOTC can print a "Masters" set every year and make a ton of cash without nearly the level of expense for R&D? The profit margin on those sets has to be way up compared to standard sets.
yup thats basically what they did with extended they made it what you guys are calling frontier and everyone didnt like it hence the creation of modern. I dont get why people keep pushing Frontier, its great we have a eternal format( modern ) which is were WOTC can keep reprinting staples without the fear of the reserve list.
This thread is full of idiots... Lightning Bolt is NOT being reprinted.
Many times has a writer in Wizards said so, because of the plain and simple fact that it's too powerful for what it costs. x/3 creatures shouldn't be able to die at instant speed for one mana without a signifigant drawback. (like PTE giving you a land)
I absolutely guarantee that LB will not be printed in M10, and you can quote me on that.
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I've been eyeing Mirrodin & MM Oblivion Stone recently as it seems to be bottoming out once again.
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Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I don't think Goyf will ever hit $30, but $50-$45 is possible if the meta doesn't change soon.
The moment it is reprinted, the Invocation's price will go down, and there are two Masters set coming in the next 6 months. The same thing happened to Wasteland's price when it was reprinted in Eternal Masters. I got out at $250 on that one, and I am really glad I did.
WBC Eldrazi & Taxes CBW
UR Keep on Cantripin' (UR Phoenix) RU
WU Surprise! It's not UW Control! (UW Midrange) UW
BG The Rock, Straight BG
U Mono-Blue Fish U
RBW Mardu Pyromancer BWR
RG Rabble! Rabble! (GR Blood Moon Aggro) GR
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W Death & Taxes W
Look at the prices of the allied fastlands and you will get your answer. They have some use in Modern so they will retain value.
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Yeah, from experience the majority of cards on the secondary market are priced the way they are due to two factors:
1) People bought in high and don't want to sell them for less than what they paid for them. Time wears this barrier down slowly and eventually you see price drops as people lament they can't sell the cards for what they original bought them at.
2) Many of the cards have been out of print for ages and there aren't a lot of copies floating around, making them hard to keep in stock even with low demand. How many future sight and modern masters copies of Pact of Negation are really out there? My guess is not a whole lot of them and probably 70% of those copies are trapped in dusty trade binders or in peoples decks. Compare that to anything in RTR and up where there are still tons of copies of cards just stuck in sealed boosters.
Wizards can easily fix the pricing on the market for constructed if they wanted to, it's just that they are locked into this mindset of only caring about sealed / limited. The only concern they have with the constructed market is how much it pushes their spotlight heroes and villains cards and what kind of light it shines on their recently released set. Modern Masters and other Masters series are them repackaging leftovers and selling them as caviar.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Also on mtgprice, it shows Pithing Needle as going up to over $20 today. That can't be right, right?
P.S. - How do you get the card to not show the Invocation version? There's gotta be a way for it to not default to the Masterpiece Needle and Locust Invo.
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Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Well one of those cards isn't even Modern legal. it's EDH.
as far as Needle, not sure what was going on, but the Saviors version doesn't even hit $5, and that's the most expensive non-masterpiece
As for modern, I think the reintroduction of modern tournament play will have the greatest impact on the market.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
With more answers against it now than before, even if it sees some success it likely will never achieve the lofty heights it did before. The card really isn't as good as the price tag implied anyway, it ended up that way due to scarcity, which then got solved by multiple reprints. It still shouldn't have been reprinted at mythic, though. The card is really a rare.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I'd like to discuss a new format that is looming. As I've seen new sets roll out with the hologram, I'm becoming aware of format staples being printed under new names and with new costs. I am watching the groundwork be laid out for a brand new format, and precautions taken to ensure certain elements remain under control. This format will likely supplement Modern. In my estimation, we are in the final year or two of Modern as a format. Modern Masters was a beautiful way to monetize the demand before letting it go the way of Legacy (yet Legacy seems to be getting more popular, as people realize you can build decent decks without dual lands)
I'm not going to go into an exhaustive list, but, for instance, we do know MaRo is adamantly opposed to fetchlands in any new format replacing Modern. As such, a new format will not be able to grab the named dual lands currently in Modern. I do not expect any card to be able to do that on the level of current fetchlands. I could see a card released in coming years that searches for a specific basic such as 'search your library for a Plains', as have been printed in the past. This will not occur until the BFZ cycle rotates out, obviously. But will it wait until the Kaladesh cycle rotate? If such a card is released, their playability in a new format is greatly enhanced.
Meanwhile, the only real fetchland in the current crop of sets that we accept as being eligible for a new format, be it Khans of Tarkir or Origins, is Sylvan Scrying. In a new format, as the only non-basic land tutor this card could easily see a sharp spike upwards. Likewise for other format staple replacements like Transgress the Mind ( IOK/Thoughtseize), Vessel of Nascency, Attune with Aether, and a host of others.
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With cards like Sylvan Scrying, Crook of Condemnation, Immolating Glare that would quickly become format staples it might not be a bad investment to sink $25 into getting ~100 them, in the hopes that in a few years, they become a huge demand item, with the attendant spike. If they do not, you haven't lost much. The trick is figuring out which currently cheap cards will be these staples.
As for speculating on cards at a quarter a piece there isn't a whole lot of risk unless you are buying thousands of them.
And as for fetches in a post-Modern format, there is Traverse the Ulvenwald in which I would think would spike way harder than Sylvan Scrying being a Rare and that it sees current play as well.
I think we should keep the conversation on Modern pricing.
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Can you imagine if this last year people didnt have Modern to save Wizards? Nope, they will not abandon their best format.
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That was what I was trying to say. Traverse will get any land if on Delirium plus the ability to snag a creature as well making it more utilitarian. In a post-Modern format, Traverse will spike quite a bit higher although it currently sits around 5 bucks.
I'll reiterate, we should probably keep the discussion on Modern pricing.
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Sounds like a discussion about Frontier.
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I agree with you. Just to add my opinion, most modern decks don't fluctuate in cost/value generally. This has the added benefit that if you have a deck that isn't running cards for an exclusive archtype (not arcbound ravager for example), you can use them in other decks ( ex. thoughtseize).
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If goyf ever hits 30$, then I've just thrown away more than 40$ - because bought one for 76 at the start of July...
Cancelled buying anymore goyf for now because the price seems to be unstable. A bit awkward having an SCG "tarmodie" when my deck only has one goyf... oh well, but sometimes the opponent will think there's more goyf in the deck if they see me put one in play. ^__^
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Despite not seeing as much play due to the (relative) poor performance of GBx midrange, it is still a card that slots easily in a lot of decks (especially CoCo decks) and can win game on its own. I believe it may reach a low of $70 before casual or less wealthy Modern players simply jump on the available stock.
As for the two upcoming Masters set, I doubt there will be any duplicates in Modern Masters 2017, Iconic Masters and 25 Masters int the Rares and Mythics: they have enough cards to reprint for Modern, Legacy and Commander to fill up those slots. Also note that once those products are released, the interest in MM17 should go down.
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UR Keep on Cantripin' (UR Phoenix) RU
WU Surprise! It's not UW Control! (UW Midrange) UW
BG The Rock, Straight BG
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RG Rabble! Rabble! (GR Blood Moon Aggro) GR
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If you're playing a long, long investment game, there isn't much harm in this. You risk all those cards being reprinted, but the entry cost is probably quite low for many of the cards you are thinking of. That said, there is basically a 0% chance Modern goes anywhere for years to come. We're talking a 5-10 year scale here. It's Wizards' most popular format, they just introduced it back to the PT, and its tournaments generally have the best overall attendance for all providers. We all watched that ridiculous Frontier format crash and burn and we've seen Modern continue to put up impressive numbers.
I suppose if you want to invest in the 5-10 (or more) investment range, go for it. But I think it's a much better use of your money to speculate on Modern staples, given that Modern isn't going anywhere and the profits will be more immediate, more certain (if you speculate well), and more predictable.
This. People act like Modern card scarcity is going to kill the format by making staples too expensive like Legacy. Legacy's primary problem is the reserve list. WotC can cash in on any staple that gains too high a price tag by printing it in a Masters set to ensure the product sells. The only thing that would kill Modern is dwindling popularity in the format... which shows no signs of happening right now. It's been perhaps the most popular format for a while now.
yup thats basically what they did with extended they made it what you guys are calling frontier and everyone didnt like it hence the creation of modern. I dont get why people keep pushing Frontier, its great we have a eternal format( modern ) which is were WOTC can keep reprinting staples without the fear of the reserve list.
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