Hey folks, that talk of the fakes had me wondering, do Foils get faked?
Sort of? I see all the time "alters" where someone takes a real foil (a common or land or something) and cleans off the art with acetone or something and then prints a transparant layer on top. I have not seen people try to pass these off as real, but I have personally seen a lot of these interesting foil alters, like "expedition"-style ABUR dual lands. I would imagine the extra layer on top is super easy to spot.
I actually think it might have seen its bottom already. Its one of those cards that really flies under the radar. Its fairly costed with a powerful effect. Of course it dies to everything but it screams build around me. I got mine at $4 per. Seems like it's going up now again. It's really early but it's a very unique card, being the creature version of Crucible of Worlds. And considering Crucible is like nearly a $70 card, a redundancy of the effect would be pretty welcome in any casual deck or edh deck that keys on that ability. So that is the first part of my argument. This is not speculation but fact. The second half of the argument is more speculative. Given the prevalence of the desert keyword in the last two sets it doesn't seem unreasonable to think that WotC is pushing some kind of standard land deck package. Will it develop or dry on the vine, who knows, but there are lots of fun tricks to be discovered with it in standard alone. Modern also has possible pre-existing homes for it. I think it would be a fine creature off of a CoCo and cards like ghost quarter get gross really quick with recursion.
Short term (within the first year) its price will be mostly regulated by its standard play(or lack thereof). If it finds a home there, its price will likely only go up. And considering that it's already going to be an EDH card, it's a rare in a summer set and it has a lot of Johnny appeal already any buy under $6 should be safe, long term (more than a year.) I do think it has potential to be the best card in the set even though the scarab god and Bolas are a bit flashier.
My two cents.
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Any thoughts on Urza Land reprints? (I know this is not directly related to price, but it could drive prices down.)
These seem prime for a Modern border reprinting. Could we see them in the return to Dominaria, or maybe have to wait until MM 2019?
I mean, if they want to ruin Standard, it'd be a great idea. Nothing bad ever came from cheating things into play early, right?
All kidding aside, with the toxic image normally associated with Tron and Tron lands (as well as Eldrazi Temple), I don't think they're going to be reprinted any time soon. Besides, unless you're picky about having to have exactly a certain version, all of them can be had for just a couple bucks.
I think it would depend on what they would print in the set that could abuse the colorless mana. I'm not into Standard so I don't know if the Kaladesh block would still be in Standard when return to Dominaria hits, so I could see some problems there for sure. And future sets would have that restriction as well. Good point, looks like MM2019 would be the best shot.
As for pricing, I've been seeing the prices creep up on all the Urza lands. I'm surprised no one has attempted to buy out certain printings yet.
Oh, I forgot about Iconic Masters coming out, I suppose there could be a shot there. Guess we will see.
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Are you replying to me? Well, I see your point. It is a unique card. I think Ramunap having Crucible of World ability can be compared to Magus of the Moon having the ability of Blood Moon. But I don't really have enough money to shell out for it anymore. The earliest I can buy it is next month. My magic money for this month of July was already spent on a goyf, a windswept heath, and a Treva for my dragon collection... will just be hoping that the price of Ramunap goes down instead of up.
It was bad with Doomsayer and it's bad with this new card. The card itself has summoning sickness, meaning you can't activate it until the following turn. Then all of the tokens also have summoning sickness. I guess if you want to not do anything turns 2 and 3 and have infinite dudes that can't attack for another turn, then sure. I'm certainly not buying into the hype.
Well, a lot of fakes are easy to spot, holostamp or not. thats not an argument for anything. But a lot of people go for a holo-stamp card and then don´t actually check them. Because the holostamp gives them a false sense of security.
There's a huge difference between attempting to mimic the holostamp and actually replicating it. Anybody who is concerned enough to seek out information about counterfeits and then buy a holostamped version rather than non-holo, should have no problem distinguishing a legitimate stamp from a fake that was either photocopied, glued on, or one that's simply "shiny" and doesn't have the MTG markings. I'd argue that a piss-poor attempt at replicating the stamp actually makes it easier to spot fakes. With that being said, I still think WotC could do a lot more when it comes to anti-counterfeit measures. I'm sure Hasbro isn't a fan of increasing production costs, but it could save them from a few headaches down the road. I have literally no clue how much it would increase production costs, but I've always thought foiling out the set symbol for all rarities would make things difficult for counterfeiters. Either way, a jeweler's loupe is still one's best friend whenever a card's legitimacy is in question; they're very affordable and the only sure fire method of confirming authenticity.
I don't really understand why people think printers can't simply fake the holostamp as well. If WOTC's printers can print holostamps with images, any decent printing press in the world could do the same with the same image. The only thing that truly stops someone from printing identical things is IP Infringement laws. After that, it's the Wild West.
The fact we haven't seen good fakes with holostamps yet has nothing to do with how difficult it is, but instead everything to do with the fact that faking Magic cards simply isn't as lucrative as many Magic players assume it is. Therefore you're only getting unsophisticated fakers so far,
Have noticed that the goyf stocks at SCG have been slow to sell. And a goyf is only 67 dollars now for SP of the 2017. Perhaps the slow sales are making the price drop??
Have noticed that the goyf stocks at SCG have been slow to sell. And a goyf is only 67 dollars now for SP of the 2017. Perhaps the slow sales are making the price drop??
Hopefully, it will go down even lower next month.
At the current printing rate I think 50 dollar Goyfs are coming are way. Tarmogoyf isn't as specially as it used to be, Cheap vanilla beaters are more common now. I need to pick up 3 more myself but I'm going to wait to pick them up.
Have noticed that the goyf stocks at SCG have been slow to sell. And a goyf is only 67 dollars now for SP of the 2017. Perhaps the slow sales are making the price drop??
Hopefully, it will go down even lower next month.
At the current printing rate I think 50 dollar Goyfs are coming are way. Tarmogoyf isn't as specially as it used to be, Cheap vanilla beaters are more common now. I need to pick up 3 more myself but I'm going to wait to pick them up.
Simple.
Goyf does not show up heavily in the current Modern META. Thus, the price is influenced.
I think Push also has a huge impact on forcing it down. When its easy to remove at parity, it isnt quite the house it used to be.
Basically. I touched on this a page ago or so, but the long and short is that Goyf was good because it was a cheap, resilient threat that doesn't die to Bolt. But nobody is playing Bolt anymore, and Push/Path are literally everywhere. All of the advantage Goyf had is basically gone. It is being pushed out by Push and supplanted by Shadow, Delve creatures, and Eldrazi, each of which offer much more at a similar casting pace.
I've never played green or own any green cards, so I'm not personally invested in anything Goyf-related, but it is kind of sad to see yet another format pillar continue its fall from glory.
If the original print Goyf ever drops to $50 bucks each, I'll pick up a set (not an 'original print' snob for most cards, I just LOVE the FS border and that art so much more than the various MM printings. I haven't had them yet, haven't been sad about that, but they would be nice to have, and i am content to wait. but if the reprints drop to a price that better reflects a moderately popular staple WITHOUT reflecting excessive scarcity or price memory (think Goblin Guide) then I will snap up whichever ones are cheap. no hurry, I know it will take a couple more printings, as well as Jund staying second rate
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I think Push also has a huge impact on forcing it down. When its easy to remove at parity, it isnt quite the house it used to be.
Basically. I touched on this a page ago or so, but the long and short is that Goyf was good because it was a cheap, resilient threat that doesn't die to Bolt. But nobody is playing Bolt anymore, and Push/Path are literally everywhere. All of the advantage Goyf had is basically gone. It is being pushed out by Push and supplanted by Shadow, Delve creatures, and Eldrazi, each of which offer much more at a similar casting pace.
I've never played green or own any green cards, so I'm not personally invested in anything Goyf-related, but it is kind of sad to see yet another format pillar continue its fall from glory.
This is absolutely it, I'm surprised Goyf is still as expensive as it is. My guess is price memory not to mention that the big boy stores were propping up its price with high buy list prices. I think the bubble is about to burst.
How low it goes (and how fast it happens) depends partially on whether goyf owners decide to hold onto them or dump them while they still have decent value. I'm guessing people who payed $400+ for a playset are not in a big hurry to take a loss, but some will, especially if they are trying to build another deck and can get $250-300 for the set. But yeah, the stores trying to get $100 for MM13 reprints seems like wishful thinking on their part. I actually wouldn't be shocked to see the reprints hit $30 in the next year.
I'd be surprised to see 'goyf in another masters or supplemental set for the foreseeable future. I think they've maxed out on the reprint value on that one. So while it will continue to dip while people sell out and it's not a heavy player in the meta, it will fairly quickly reach a bottom at which point it will start rising again. And if it ever picks back up in play-ability it will spike quickly.
I'd be surprised to see 'goyf in another masters or supplemental set for the foreseeable future. I think they've maxed out on the reprint value on that one. So while it will continue to dip while people sell out and it's not a heavy player in the meta, it will fairly quickly reach a bottom at which point it will start rising again. And if it ever picks back up in play-ability it will spike quickly.
I hope so. There are a number of cards worth more than Goyf now. Let those be the chase money cards in the next MM set.
I don't really understand why people think printers can't simply fake the holostamp as well. If WOTC's printers can print holostamps with images, any decent printing press in the world could do the same with the same image. The only thing that truly stops someone from printing identical things is IP Infringement laws. After that, it's the Wild West.
The fact we haven't seen good fakes with holostamps yet has nothing to do with how difficult it is, but instead everything to do with the fact that faking Magic cards simply isn't as lucrative as many Magic players assume it is. Therefore you're only getting unsophisticated fakers so far,
Which is basically to say, it barely matters.
Nobody said it was impossible to replicate the holostamp. It's just that doing so requires extra capital to invest in materials and update production equipment. IP infringement plays almost no role in the process when the overwhelming majority of counterfeiters operate out of China, the manufacturing capital of the world who doesn't give two *****s about foreign IP, patents, trademarks, etc. IP violations in the Chinese automotive and electronic sectors are extremely commonplace and that's not surprising when you have local governments who all interpret the IPR guidelines differently and have nowhere near the amount of enforcement needed to combat an issue of that magnitude. Unfortunately, the business of printing images on cardboard and selling them overseas is extremely lucrative despite recent efforts to shut down the channels between manufacturer and foreign consumers.
The fact that we haven't seen passable holostamped fakes doesn't suggest that counterfeiting Magic as a whole isn't profitable; it just means that faking vintage cards is more profitable than faking cards from new standard sets. This kind of shady backdoor ***** is way more prevalent than players want to believe; tons of these "proxies" get through eBay's filters every day; if anyone is ever skeptical, all they have to do is search "mtg proxy" among 'Sold Listings' on eBay and scroll through the endless pages of proxy Power Nine sets sold for $50+ a pop. That's just a drop in the bucket when you consider the fact that most listings for counterfeit products are removed and the majority of transactions occur directly between manufacturer and consumer through a myriad of backdoor channels.
I don't really understand why people think printers can't simply fake the holostamp as well. If WOTC's printers can print holostamps with images, any decent printing press in the world could do the same with the same image. The only thing that truly stops someone from printing identical things is IP Infringement laws. After that, it's the Wild West.
The fact we haven't seen good fakes with holostamps yet has nothing to do with how difficult it is, but instead everything to do with the fact that faking Magic cards simply isn't as lucrative as many Magic players assume it is. Therefore you're only getting unsophisticated fakers so far,
Which is basically to say, it barely matters.
Nobody said it was impossible to replicate the holostamp. It's just that doing so requires extra capital to invest in materials and update production equipment. IP infringement plays almost no role in the process when the overwhelming majority of counterfeiters operate out of China, the manufacturing capital of the world who doesn't give two *****s about foreign IP, patents, trademarks, etc. IP violations in the Chinese automotive and electronic sectors are extremely commonplace and that's not surprising when you have local governments who all interpret the IPR guidelines differently and have nowhere near the amount of enforcement needed to combat an issue of that magnitude. Unfortunately, the business of printing images on cardboard and selling them overseas is extremely lucrative despite recent efforts to shut down the channels between manufacturer and foreign consumers.
The fact that we haven't seen passable holostamped fakes doesn't suggest that counterfeiting Magic as a whole isn't profitable; it just means that faking vintage cards is more profitable than faking cards from new standard sets. This kind of shady backdoor ***** is way more prevalent than players want to believe; tons of these "proxies" get through eBay's filters every day; if anyone is ever skeptical, all they have to do is search "mtg proxy" among 'Sold Listings' on eBay and scroll through the endless pages of proxy Power Nine sets sold for $50+ a pop. That's just a drop in the bucket when you consider the fact that most listings for counterfeit products are removed and the majority of transactions occur directly between manufacturer and consumer through a myriad of backdoor channels.
I agree with you re: IP. I was saying the same thing, but taking it a step further. If IP infringement is the only real protection against counterfeits, and it's a paper-thin protection, then it would be much more rampant than it actually is if there was real money in it.
And please don't conflate proxies for counterfeits. Doing an eBay search for proxies will show you exactly 0 counterfeits.
And please don't conflate proxies for counterfeits. Doing an eBay search for proxies will show you exactly 0 counterfeits.
They definitely pop up from time to time. They are usually early generation or relatively poor quality and posted under throw-away accounts (no feedback, doesn't care about consequences). They are often labeled as "not tournament legal" and "proxy." I managed to get my hands on one and the quality is atrocious. It's definitely not an "alter" as many of the eBay postings are, and anyone thinking they could pass one off for real deserves all the bad things. I think the ones that end up on eBay are the rejects and older stock of stuff that aren't being sold through direct lines out of China. It's also shady and the listings are up for less than 24 hours each from rotating, relatively anonymous users.
And please don't conflate proxies for counterfeits. Doing an eBay search for proxies will show you exactly 0 counterfeits.
They definitely pop up from time to time. They are usually early generation or relatively poor quality and posted under throw-away accounts (no feedback, doesn't care about consequences). They are often labeled as "not tournament legal" and "proxy." I managed to get my hands on one and the quality is atrocious. It's definitely not an "alter" as many of the eBay postings are, and anyone thinking they could pass one off for real deserves all the bad things. I think the ones that end up on eBay are the rejects and older stock of stuff that aren't being sold through direct lines out of China. It's also shady and the listings are up for less than 24 hours each from rotating, relatively anonymous users.
I guess my point though is that those aren't counterfeits. When the person selling them clearly indicates that they're not tournament legal or that they're proxies, they're de facto not counterfeits. Counterfeits are intended to be passed off as the real thing. They clearly state the items are NOT the real thing. Hence, not counterfeits.
I actually bought one of those $50 proxy power lots. I play a lot of non-sanctioned Vintage where you can proxy 10 cards for free and buy an additional 5 proxy slots for $1 each. So I wanted something better than just a Revised Plains with sharpie on it, and artwork where everybody can clearly see at a glance what's what. ONCE someone looked across the table and said "holy [bleep] are those beta?!?", grabbed one, looked at it, and said "oh, no, they're fake." There's nothing wrong with using fake cards in this manner, and I never once tried to pass them off as real, and never will. Those are proxy cards but they're not counterfeits.
Sort of? I see all the time "alters" where someone takes a real foil (a common or land or something) and cleans off the art with acetone or something and then prints a transparant layer on top. I have not seen people try to pass these off as real, but I have personally seen a lot of these interesting foil alters, like "expedition"-style ABUR dual lands. I would imagine the extra layer on top is super easy to spot.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
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Short term (within the first year) its price will be mostly regulated by its standard play(or lack thereof). If it finds a home there, its price will likely only go up. And considering that it's already going to be an EDH card, it's a rare in a summer set and it has a lot of Johnny appeal already any buy under $6 should be safe, long term (more than a year.) I do think it has potential to be the best card in the set even though the scarab god and Bolas are a bit flashier.
My two cents.
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I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
I think it would depend on what they would print in the set that could abuse the colorless mana. I'm not into Standard so I don't know if the Kaladesh block would still be in Standard when return to Dominaria hits, so I could see some problems there for sure. And future sets would have that restriction as well. Good point, looks like MM2019 would be the best shot.
As for pricing, I've been seeing the prices creep up on all the Urza lands. I'm surprised no one has attempted to buy out certain printings yet.
Oh, I forgot about Iconic Masters coming out, I suppose there could be a shot there. Guess we will see.
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Are you replying to me? Well, I see your point. It is a unique card. I think Ramunap having Crucible of World ability can be compared to Magus of the Moon having the ability of Blood Moon. But I don't really have enough money to shell out for it anymore. The earliest I can buy it is next month. My magic money for this month of July was already spent on a goyf, a windswept heath, and a Treva for my dragon collection... will just be hoping that the price of Ramunap goes down instead of up.
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It seems that people think that the combo potential is pretty good with the new Steward of Solidarity (and the old Thraben Doomsayer).
It was bad with Doomsayer and it's bad with this new card. The card itself has summoning sickness, meaning you can't activate it until the following turn. Then all of the tokens also have summoning sickness. I guess if you want to not do anything turns 2 and 3 and have infinite dudes that can't attack for another turn, then sure. I'm certainly not buying into the hype.
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UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
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There's a huge difference between attempting to mimic the holostamp and actually replicating it. Anybody who is concerned enough to seek out information about counterfeits and then buy a holostamped version rather than non-holo, should have no problem distinguishing a legitimate stamp from a fake that was either photocopied, glued on, or one that's simply "shiny" and doesn't have the MTG markings. I'd argue that a piss-poor attempt at replicating the stamp actually makes it easier to spot fakes. With that being said, I still think WotC could do a lot more when it comes to anti-counterfeit measures. I'm sure Hasbro isn't a fan of increasing production costs, but it could save them from a few headaches down the road. I have literally no clue how much it would increase production costs, but I've always thought foiling out the set symbol for all rarities would make things difficult for counterfeiters. Either way, a jeweler's loupe is still one's best friend whenever a card's legitimacy is in question; they're very affordable and the only sure fire method of confirming authenticity.
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The fact we haven't seen good fakes with holostamps yet has nothing to do with how difficult it is, but instead everything to do with the fact that faking Magic cards simply isn't as lucrative as many Magic players assume it is. Therefore you're only getting unsophisticated fakers so far,
Which is basically to say, it barely matters.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Hopefully, it will go down even lower next month.
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Simple.
Goyf does not show up heavily in the current Modern META. Thus, the price is influenced.
Anything, but nothing at the moment...
Modern:
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WUBRAd Nauseam, WBRGDeath Shadow, UBRGScapeshift, UBRGDredge
WURJeskai Nahiri, WURCheeri0s, WBGCounter Company, WRGBurn, UBRMadcap Moon, BRGJund Midrange
UBTurn,BRGriselbrand Reanimator, WGKnight Company, RGRG Tron, RGRG Ponza, XAffinity, XEldrazi Tron
Basically. I touched on this a page ago or so, but the long and short is that Goyf was good because it was a cheap, resilient threat that doesn't die to Bolt. But nobody is playing Bolt anymore, and Push/Path are literally everywhere. All of the advantage Goyf had is basically gone. It is being pushed out by Push and supplanted by Shadow, Delve creatures, and Eldrazi, each of which offer much more at a similar casting pace.
I've never played green or own any green cards, so I'm not personally invested in anything Goyf-related, but it is kind of sad to see yet another format pillar continue its fall from glory.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
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Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
I hope so. There are a number of cards worth more than Goyf now. Let those be the chase money cards in the next MM set.
Nobody said it was impossible to replicate the holostamp. It's just that doing so requires extra capital to invest in materials and update production equipment. IP infringement plays almost no role in the process when the overwhelming majority of counterfeiters operate out of China, the manufacturing capital of the world who doesn't give two *****s about foreign IP, patents, trademarks, etc. IP violations in the Chinese automotive and electronic sectors are extremely commonplace and that's not surprising when you have local governments who all interpret the IPR guidelines differently and have nowhere near the amount of enforcement needed to combat an issue of that magnitude. Unfortunately, the business of printing images on cardboard and selling them overseas is extremely lucrative despite recent efforts to shut down the channels between manufacturer and foreign consumers.
The fact that we haven't seen passable holostamped fakes doesn't suggest that counterfeiting Magic as a whole isn't profitable; it just means that faking vintage cards is more profitable than faking cards from new standard sets. This kind of shady backdoor ***** is way more prevalent than players want to believe; tons of these "proxies" get through eBay's filters every day; if anyone is ever skeptical, all they have to do is search "mtg proxy" among 'Sold Listings' on eBay and scroll through the endless pages of proxy Power Nine sets sold for $50+ a pop. That's just a drop in the bucket when you consider the fact that most listings for counterfeit products are removed and the majority of transactions occur directly between manufacturer and consumer through a myriad of backdoor channels.
Link to Discord server where anybody from MTGS can keep up with thread topics while everything is being sorted out with the new site.
And please don't conflate proxies for counterfeits. Doing an eBay search for proxies will show you exactly 0 counterfeits.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
They definitely pop up from time to time. They are usually early generation or relatively poor quality and posted under throw-away accounts (no feedback, doesn't care about consequences). They are often labeled as "not tournament legal" and "proxy." I managed to get my hands on one and the quality is atrocious. It's definitely not an "alter" as many of the eBay postings are, and anyone thinking they could pass one off for real deserves all the bad things. I think the ones that end up on eBay are the rejects and older stock of stuff that aren't being sold through direct lines out of China. It's also shady and the listings are up for less than 24 hours each from rotating, relatively anonymous users.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
I actually bought one of those $50 proxy power lots. I play a lot of non-sanctioned Vintage where you can proxy 10 cards for free and buy an additional 5 proxy slots for $1 each. So I wanted something better than just a Revised Plains with sharpie on it, and artwork where everybody can clearly see at a glance what's what. ONCE someone looked across the table and said "holy [bleep] are those beta?!?", grabbed one, looked at it, and said "oh, no, they're fake." There's nothing wrong with using fake cards in this manner, and I never once tried to pass them off as real, and never will. Those are proxy cards but they're not counterfeits.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero