Hrm... unlikely. The only ways to make it strictly better are to:
1) Make it an immediate draw instead of "at the next turn's upkeep."
OR
2) Keep it with the "at the next turn's upkeep" but have a better effect with it than seeing the top card of their library.
#1 won't happen, because it's literally just letting you play with 56 cards (Street Wraith and Gitaxian Probe at least required a life loss). #2 won't happen because they've moved away from delayed cantrips and Mishra's Bauble only did it as a reference to Urza's Bauble.
I've noticed a lot of people in our mtg facebook group are buying playsets of Bloodstained Mire... is there a good modern deck right now that use a playset of that fetch land?
I've noticed a lot of people in our mtg facebook group are buying playsets of Bloodstained Mire... is there a good modern deck right now that use a playset of that fetch land?
Okay. Thanks for the answers. I'm talking with a friend right now on facebook.. and he also has the same answer, it's probably for the Death Shadow decks out there.
Hrm... unlikely. The only ways to make it strictly better are to:
1) Make it an immediate draw instead of "at the next turn's upkeep."
OR
2) Keep it with the "at the next turn's upkeep" but have a better effect with it than seeing the top card of their library.
#1 won't happen, because it's literally just letting you play with 56 cards (Street Wraith and Gitaxian Probe at least required a life loss). #2 won't happen because they've moved away from delayed cantrips and Mishra's Bauble only did it as a reference to Urza's Bauble.
Keep in mind that the reason Aether Hub is strictly better is because it is used with a mechanic we never even saw before. If they make a strictly better Mishra's Bauble it would likely be along the same lines. So maybe it's better to say they may make an equivalent to it that takes advantage of a new mechanic, or just an equivalent to it.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
If we're being technical then Aether Hub isn't *strictly* better because you can remove it in response to the Energy counter trigger and get no colored mana out of it before it taps. Not likely to come up, but still.
Honestly if you have mishra's baunle get rid of those things asap. The new duel deck that will have Lovisa vs Jhoira screams bauble reprint. Both the cards are from that era and this just feels like a absolutely perfect opportunity to wedge a card like bauble in.
Value is good. But Dredgevine isn't supposed to be about value. It's supposed to be about V-8; 2000 pounds of nitro boosted war vegetables. The more velocity, the better.
Modern: DredgeVine EDH: Gisela, Blade of Goldnight Anima Standard:
On the subject of Jace, the mindsculpter, if he or sfm are unbanned tomorrow will that make Snapcasters skyrocket? I was going to pick some up about a month after mm17 came out but I'm wondering if I should get them now. I don't want a Jace unban shooting them back up to absurd prices.
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UG Merfolk RG 8-Whack BWG Abzan midrange GRB Living End UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin" RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!" BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
I guess people are really banking on Jace being unbanned here in Canada.
I checked F2F games this morning and there were plenty and now every single copy is sold out.
Unban speculators generally buy out possible targets a day or two before each banlist announcement. Nothing new really. Just check out the price graphs on mtgstocks. The supply will go back up if Jace doesn't get unbanned and the price will fall gradually, then go back up again next time around. But it doesn't help matters this weekend that reactive blue is coming off an abysmal high-profile showing at SCG Dallas.
If you want to speculate on these cards, the best time to get your sets is about a month before each banlist announcement. I think the most heads-up players buy their banned cards a week or two before, and there's another group of people who panic-buy the day before. Assuming you could easily liquidate the cards (big assumption to make though), you could acctually make some pocket money buying a month or two before each announcement and dumping again right before, probably using eBay.
On the subject of Jace, the mindsculpter, if he or sfm are unbanned tomorrow will that make Snapcasters skyrocket? I was going to pick some up about a month after mm17 came out but I'm wondering if I should get them now. I don't want a Jace unban shooting them back up to absurd prices.
The guys in the unban thread seem to think it's pretty unlikely Jace gets an unban tomorrow (and I agree), so my advice is to hold off on grabbing Snaps right away. They are likely to be cheaper once MM comes out. If Wizards has their eye on Jace, it's far likelier he gets unbanned in April, when Wizards best likes to do unbans for Modern.
the card itself really isn't worth the card board its printed on...does it serve a purpose? Sure its a blue 1 drop that might not be a 1/1. I would not put it in a list and expect to win a PTQ or GP though.
Snapcaster will certainly raise in price if that happens. He's already really cheap due to blue's lack of performance so the real question is it worth the risk?
Well, the silver lining of the "no changes" announcement is that blue will continue to remain terrible, which means blue staples will remain extremely cheap to pick up. Which also means foil Scalding Tarns will continue to drop in price. I had been holding my breath on foil Tarns for a while, especially after hearing about a reprint. But if an unban happened before release, they would spike up considerably. Now, without an unban or the possibility of blue being any good for the next couple of months, my patience has paid off. Once MM17 actively gets into circulation, I fully expect foil Tarns to dip well below $100, and possibly as low (or lower!) than $80.
I am losing my patience with Fatal Push, all of my Magic funds are already stretched to the breaking point with what I want from MM17, I can't set aside another $40 for the 2 playsets I want. I had just taken it for granted that an uncommon in a Standard set wouldn't still be more expensive than Bolt this long after release. Uncommons are never supposed to exceed the value of a pack while in print. At what point is it going to drop??? I would have thought that everyone willing to shell out $5 a pop or more would have their playset but TCG still has it in the top 3 sellers, week after week. It's not like I am looking for Heart of Kiran or something
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Unless you want them immediately just try to be patient a little longer, it's not become a 4-of in every black modern deck like some people thought and AER is still getting opened and drafted a lot. The prices will go down, and if you can wait till rotation I won't be surprised if you can get a playset for $12 or less. I would prioritize the things you want from MM17 since generally speaking they are probably higher cost and will be available at lower cost for a shorter time than FP.
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UG Merfolk RG 8-Whack BWG Abzan midrange GRB Living End UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin" RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!" BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
I am losing my patience with Fatal Push, all of my Magic funds are already stretched to the breaking point with what I want from MM17, I can't set aside another $40 for the 2 playsets I want. I had just taken it for granted that an uncommon in a Standard set wouldn't still be more expensive than Bolt this long after release. Uncommons are never supposed to exceed the value of a pack while in print. At what point is it going to drop??? I would have thought that everyone willing to shell out $5 a pop or more would have their playset but TCG still has it in the top 3 sellers, week after week. It's not like I am looking for Heart of Kiran or something
Someone didnt play while path was Standard legal. It was a $7-$10 uncommon. Push is a multiformat card. Standard is not driving the price, other formats are. I see it staying at the $10 range the time its in Standard. Maybe dip at rotation depending if they reprint it somewhere along the line between now and then. If they dont reprint push before it rotates, its going to go up, not down.
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Well, the silver lining of the "no changes" announcement is that blue will continue to remain terrible, which means blue staples will remain extremely cheap to pick up. Which also means foil Scalding Tarns will continue to drop in price. I had been holding my breath on foil Tarns for a while, especially after hearing about a reprint. But if an unban happened before release, they would spike up considerably. Now, without an unban or the possibility of blue being any good for the next couple of months, my patience has paid off. Once MM17 actively gets into circulation, I fully expect foil Tarns to dip well below $100, and possibly as low (or lower!) than $80.
Master sets dont really effect foil prices. Maybe if it as the third or fourth printing like it did with Cryptics, Bob, and Goyf. I see maybe a small dip to $120ish.
I am losing my patience with Fatal Push, all of my Magic funds are already stretched to the breaking point with what I want from MM17, I can't set aside another $40 for the 2 playsets I want. I had just taken it for granted that an uncommon in a Standard set wouldn't still be more expensive than Bolt this long after release. Uncommons are never supposed to exceed the value of a pack while in print. At what point is it going to drop??? I would have thought that everyone willing to shell out $5 a pop or more would have their playset but TCG still has it in the top 3 sellers, week after week. It's not like I am looking for Heart of Kiran or something
Yeah like people said it's not going down anytime soon, it may drop a bit when it rotates in Fall 2018 but who knows what it'll be up to by then. I'd unfortunately have to suggest you bite the bullet and buy them sooner rather than later.
Everyone was wrong about Fatal Push due primarily because the sluggishness of standard is impacting pack openings and the demand on it is insane. That card could reach Maelstrom Pulse level prices in the future as it's the first printing of a "black Bolt". I may grab a few extra copies for deck building purposes because it's basically a modern staple in standard.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Well, the silver lining of the "no changes" announcement is that blue will continue to remain terrible, which means blue staples will remain extremely cheap to pick up. Which also means foil Scalding Tarns will continue to drop in price. I had been holding my breath on foil Tarns for a while, especially after hearing about a reprint. But if an unban happened before release, they would spike up considerably. Now, without an unban or the possibility of blue being any good for the next couple of months, my patience has paid off. Once MM17 actively gets into circulation, I fully expect foil Tarns to dip well below $100, and possibly as low (or lower!) than $80.
Master sets dont really effect foil prices. Maybe if it as the third or fourth printing like it did with Cryptics, Bob, and Goyf. I see maybe a small dip to $120ish.
Number of printings isn't as important as total number of copies in circulation. Sometimes multiple printings in a low-volume, exclusive set won't result in nearly as much of an impact as a single reprinting of a large-availability set. It will all come down to the true numbers of MM17's print run. Pre-order prices were already around ~$120 before the set is even out. It's entirely possible to fall below $100.
But it certainly helps that there is little to no Modern demand for Tarn right now. Imagine if something silly happened like an unban to help blue? The price would be astronomical!
Edit: a better example is Snapcaster Mage. Probably one of the best creatures ever printed and peaked over $60 for a regular ($200 for foils), currently $25 for regulars and mid $60s for ISD foils. RPTQ promo doesn't really count because of the extreme low volume and general dislike for the art. But even those have fallen from above $200 to ~$85. Tarn may not dip that low, but it's going to fall pretty hard due to lack of demand in Modern.
Where might one find these $25 snapcasters of which you speak? Lowest I've seen is $33 for heavy play. (Not doubting you just want to save $32 when I pick up my playset lol).
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UG Merfolk RG 8-Whack BWG Abzan midrange GRB Living End UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin" RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!" BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
pucatrade
big receipts
alpha mox emerald
beta time walk
4 goyfs received
3 liliana of the veil
4 karn liberated
3 force of will
4 grove of the burnwillows
snapcaster mage
3 horizon canopy
2 full art damnation
Where might one find these $25 snapcasters of which you speak? Lowest I've seen is $33 for heavy play. (Not doubting you just want to save $32 when I pick up my playset lol).
I check eBay daily to track prices on a few cards. I saw several come and go for $25, but lowest current listing is still $30. That must be the floor for now. I assume it will take another drop once the set releases, but hitting $25 regularly is not out of the question after today's B&R announcement. I slowly upgraded to ISD foils over the past few months and have been keeping my eye on regular Snaps for when to sell my non-foils. Price is still down and not going to go up any time soon.
I am losing my patience with Fatal Push, all of my Magic funds are already stretched to the breaking point with what I want from MM17, I can't set aside another $40 for the 2 playsets I want. I had just taken it for granted that an uncommon in a Standard set wouldn't still be more expensive than Bolt this long after release. Uncommons are never supposed to exceed the value of a pack while in print. At what point is it going to drop??? I would have thought that everyone willing to shell out $5 a pop or more would have their playset but TCG still has it in the top 3 sellers, week after week. It's not like I am looking for Heart of Kiran or something
Same here, and now I'm officially eating my foot. Will pick up a set at 20$ this week as I need them for a new deck, and probably will just pick them up whenever I see them after rotation drops the price.
the card itself really isn't worth the card board its printed on...does it serve a purpose? Sure its a blue 1 drop that might not be a 1/1. I would not put it in a list and expect to win a PTQ or GP though.
I started the foiling process back when I played Twin with full art Bolts and never looked back. With the ban, I moved the process to Delver and have been picking up pieces here and there all year. I've been aggressive on the more expensive pieces lately because the prices have tanked so hard. Scalding Tarn is my next big target thanks to MM17, and the last main deck card that's not a flex slot (though some of those are foil). Many of the cards are so stupidly cheap that it feels wrong NOT to buy. Blue won't be terrible forever, and many blue staple foils are less than 1/3 of what they used to be. I haven't sold any of my non-foils and will continue to hold them until prices go back up (or I ever decide Modern is stupid and sell out completely, but that's less likely). In the meantime, at least the deck I love playing makes me smile to look at and handle, even if it rarely put's up better than 3-2.
Hrm... unlikely. The only ways to make it strictly better are to:
1) Make it an immediate draw instead of "at the next turn's upkeep."
OR
2) Keep it with the "at the next turn's upkeep" but have a better effect with it than seeing the top card of their library.
#1 won't happen, because it's literally just letting you play with 56 cards (Street Wraith and Gitaxian Probe at least required a life loss). #2 won't happen because they've moved away from delayed cantrips and Mishra's Bauble only did it as a reference to Urza's Bauble.
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Please come visit us at the Emeria Titan control thread
Death Shadow Aggro.
Anything, but nothing at the moment...
Modern:
WUBRGAmulet Titan, WUBRGHuman
WUBRAd Nauseam, WBRGDeath Shadow, UBRGScapeshift, UBRGDredge
WURJeskai Nahiri, WURCheeri0s, WBGCounter Company, WRGBurn, UBRMadcap Moon, BRGJund Midrange
UBTurn,BRGriselbrand Reanimator, WGKnight Company, RGRG Tron, RGRG Ponza, XAffinity, XEldrazi Tron
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Keep in mind that the reason Aether Hub is strictly better is because it is used with a mechanic we never even saw before. If they make a strictly better Mishra's Bauble it would likely be along the same lines. So maybe it's better to say they may make an equivalent to it that takes advantage of a new mechanic, or just an equivalent to it.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Modern:
EDH:
Standard:
I checked F2F games this morning and there were plenty and now every single copy is sold out.
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
If you want to speculate on these cards, the best time to get your sets is about a month before each banlist announcement. I think the most heads-up players buy their banned cards a week or two before, and there's another group of people who panic-buy the day before. Assuming you could easily liquidate the cards (big assumption to make though), you could acctually make some pocket money buying a month or two before each announcement and dumping again right before, probably using eBay.The guys in the unban thread seem to think it's pretty unlikely Jace gets an unban tomorrow (and I agree), so my advice is to hold off on grabbing Snaps right away. They are likely to be cheaper once MM comes out. If Wizards has their eye on Jace, it's far likelier he gets unbanned in April, when Wizards best likes to do unbans for Modern.
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UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
Someone didnt play while path was Standard legal. It was a $7-$10 uncommon. Push is a multiformat card. Standard is not driving the price, other formats are. I see it staying at the $10 range the time its in Standard. Maybe dip at rotation depending if they reprint it somewhere along the line between now and then. If they dont reprint push before it rotates, its going to go up, not down.
Master sets dont really effect foil prices. Maybe if it as the third or fourth printing like it did with Cryptics, Bob, and Goyf. I see maybe a small dip to $120ish.
Yeah like people said it's not going down anytime soon, it may drop a bit when it rotates in Fall 2018 but who knows what it'll be up to by then. I'd unfortunately have to suggest you bite the bullet and buy them sooner rather than later.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Number of printings isn't as important as total number of copies in circulation. Sometimes multiple printings in a low-volume, exclusive set won't result in nearly as much of an impact as a single reprinting of a large-availability set. It will all come down to the true numbers of MM17's print run. Pre-order prices were already around ~$120 before the set is even out. It's entirely possible to fall below $100.
But it certainly helps that there is little to no Modern demand for Tarn right now. Imagine if something silly happened like an unban to help blue? The price would be astronomical!
Edit: a better example is Snapcaster Mage. Probably one of the best creatures ever printed and peaked over $60 for a regular ($200 for foils), currently $25 for regulars and mid $60s for ISD foils. RPTQ promo doesn't really count because of the extreme low volume and general dislike for the art. But even those have fallen from above $200 to ~$85. Tarn may not dip that low, but it's going to fall pretty hard due to lack of demand in Modern.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
RG 8-Whack
BWG Abzan midrange
GRB Living End
UWB Spirit Control
GU Kruphix's "Hug Assassin"
RW Kalemne's "Play Fatties and Hope for the Best!"
BUGW Atraxa's "All counters, all the time"
pucatrade
big receipts
alpha mox emerald
beta time walk
4 goyfs received
3 liliana of the veil
4 karn liberated
3 force of will
4 grove of the burnwillows
snapcaster mage
3 horizon canopy
2 full art damnation
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
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I started the foiling process back when I played Twin with full art Bolts and never looked back. With the ban, I moved the process to Delver and have been picking up pieces here and there all year. I've been aggressive on the more expensive pieces lately because the prices have tanked so hard. Scalding Tarn is my next big target thanks to MM17, and the last main deck card that's not a flex slot (though some of those are foil). Many of the cards are so stupidly cheap that it feels wrong NOT to buy. Blue won't be terrible forever, and many blue staple foils are less than 1/3 of what they used to be. I haven't sold any of my non-foils and will continue to hold them until prices go back up (or I ever decide Modern is stupid and sell out completely, but that's less likely). In the meantime, at least the deck I love playing makes me smile to look at and handle, even if it rarely put's up better than 3-2.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate