I've heard that this set will have a Standard Print Run, as in, it will keep going until we decide to not buy it anymore.
Can anyone confirm or is this limited release? Anyone in contact with distributors in the states who can confirm/deny this?
From what I heard it was just one really massive print run of boxes. The channels I've been watching like MTG headquarters and Desolator Magic both mentioned that even non-wpn stores are getting orders of 500-1000 boxes of product in some cases so we are looking at a really heavily printed set. The only cards I can see bouncing back after this are fetches due to their ubiquity and the insane demand for them that hasn't been met for years.
Distributor price is 129 usd approx so singles sellers who got these at distributor rates will be making a mint if they move fast.
By the way, does anyone think the new Goblin Guide looks ******* hideous?
This isn't me being elitist and being all like, "only old artwork is good!" Like, it just looks awful.
I like it. Looks painted. Not a fan of the hyper-computerized direction Wizards has taken their art since RTR. OG art is my fav though, and they both trounce the GP promo.
Were you even going to sell them or just lay them out on a table and rub your hands together? If you have the cards you want to play with, my advice is stop worrying about how much they're worth. You'll keep those cards forever. Just be happy that more players can now play Modern and the format will grow. If you really want to feel like your collection is appreciating, remember that demand for format staples will rise as interest in the format increases, and your collection will rise in value elsewhere than in MMA reprints as a result.
Rubbing my hands together is what I do best.
Im not worried, but it always feels good to know my card collection is holding up in the secondary market.
I agree with your health of the format statements. In the end, I prefer seeing more players in Modern.
Even if they're not, I have no intention of ever selling mine. Foil ISD Snaps are probably the most gorgeous cards I own. I know plenty of people think the same, so regardless of this snap, the IDS Snaps are solid to hold. One day, if I ever decide to sell out of the game entirely, I'm sure they'd still be worth a good deal.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
the card itself really isn't worth the card board its printed on...does it serve a purpose? Sure its a blue 1 drop that might not be a 1/1. I would not put it in a list and expect to win a PTQ or GP though.
I'll be buying into Burn probably to make a second tournament competitive deck to second my Ad Nauseam deck. However, I'm wondering when I should buy the whole 75. When would you guys go or it : now, 1-2-3 weeks after MM2017? Just want to see how you'd see the market coming along the new set.
I'll be buying into Burn probably to make a second tournament competitive deck to second my Ad Nauseam deck. However, I'm wondering when I should buy the whole 75. When would you guys go or it : now, 1-2-3 weeks after MM2017? Just want to see how you'd see the market coming along the new set.
Thanks!
buy Eidolon of the Great Revel yesterday, the price has already gone up and will only continue too
Everything else, wait for 1 month after MM2017 comes out for prices to be lowest
I've heard that this set will have a Standard Print Run, as in, it will keep going until we decide to not buy it anymore.
Can anyone confirm or is this limited release? Anyone in contact with distributors in the states who can confirm/deny this?
From what I heard it was just one really massive print run of boxes. The channels I've been watching like MTG headquarters and Desolator Magic both mentioned that even non-wpn stores are getting orders of 500-1000 boxes of product in some cases so we are looking at a really heavily printed set. The only cards I can see bouncing back after this are fetches due to their ubiquity and the insane demand for them that hasn't been met for years.
Distributor price is 129 usd approx so singles sellers who got these at distributor rates will be making a mint if they move fast.
if colt is right then maybe, I'll find it interesting to see what this set does to prices
No way is this chronicles for modern even at that print level. The reason they did this is because the print runs of pre-RTR cards are way lower than post RTR and the fetchlands being reprinted in any kind of set with a short print run would just cause the price to spike hard after the initial downturn. Also, unlike when Chronicles happened, the pool of modern playable cards is just too great to reprint in one masters set. To really create chronicles in modern they'd have to do the print run they are doing in Modern masters 2017, then hit it again through supplementary products like Commander during the fall season while peppering reprints in standard, then finally hit the entire format hard again during spring next year.
If those things happen, then yes we have chronicles, but even then I don't see that being bad for anyone except the Investors. Modern would just explode and more people would be playing it because the biggest barrier to modern is the price tag on the mana base and the top cards. The entire reason Frontier is popular is because of how expensive the mana base in modern is. Just go take a look at the reasons people in frontier want the fetches banned and the number one reason is that they will become expensive.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Is it me or is this like halfway being made Commander Masters? Like this MM is going to tank the price of optimal mana and premium removal for commander. And a Zur reprint? What the heck?
Unlike you and me and everyone else, WotC spends money on research. I wouldn't be surprised to learn they have bots that crawl over the major card selling sites to mine data on what is selling, and how fast in relation to market triggers like unbannings, GP results, and the Pro Tour.
All of that data will tell them 1 thing: The fastest growing format in Magic over the past 2 years has easily been Commander. It is easy to see Commander being targeted with every release.
Lol yes I'm sure it's a stealth commander release, and not that nearly every spoiler other than some uncommon slot it making Modern affordable for those who flinch at such things.
You need 1 Tarn for a commander deck. We need 4, who benefits more with this set?
I just had a conversation the other day about Chronicles and MM3, the person who was playing back then, said it was really bad for the game overall because everything that was nearing 20$ ended up being 3-5$ that was notable. So I asked him, was the problem the 15$ drop, or the 75% drop? His response was interesting, and he said he had never looked at it from that perspective before. So I want to know, are you guys fine living in a world where we may have 50$ Goyfs again? is that too much? Remember, Goyf was barely 80$ before the first MM. We already know that MM3 is going to be bigger and better than the predecessors combined when it comes to price and accessibility.
I just had a conversation the other day about Chronicles and MM3, the person who was playing back then, said it was really bad for the game overall because everything that was nearing 20$ ended up being 3-5$ that was notable. So I asked him, was the problem the 15$ drop, or the 75% drop? His response was interesting, and he said he had never looked at it from that perspective before. So I want to know, are you guys fine living in a world where we may have 50$ Goyfs again? is that too much? Remember, Goyf was barely 80$ before the first MM. We already know that MM3 is going to be bigger and better than the predecessors combined when it comes to price and accessibility.
Speaking as someone who owns a foil set of MM13 Goyfs and a set of regular FUT ones, I'm totally fine with it. Accessible product means more people play Modern. Cost to entry is the main factor keeping players away from this format; everyone wants to play it, at least in the cities where I've lived.
IMO purposefully having enough of your net worth invested in cardboard that it annoys you when Goyf and other staples become cheaper is a mistake, and complaining about prices going down demonstrates a poor understanding of both economics and personal finances. The only time I could theoretically see it being not horribly immature is when your livelihood is literally card values, i.e. a game store. Except that stores benefit immensely from products like Modern Masters being printed, so nah.
the card itself really isn't worth the card board its printed on...does it serve a purpose? Sure its a blue 1 drop that might not be a 1/1. I would not put it in a list and expect to win a PTQ or GP though.
I just had a conversation the other day about Chronicles and MM3, the person who was playing back then, said it was really bad for the game overall because everything that was nearing 20$ ended up being 3-5$ that was notable. So I asked him, was the problem the 15$ drop, or the 75% drop? His response was interesting, and he said he had never looked at it from that perspective before. So I want to know, are you guys fine living in a world where we may have 50$ Goyfs again? is that too much? Remember, Goyf was barely 80$ before the first MM. We already know that MM3 is going to be bigger and better than the predecessors combined when it comes to price and accessibility.
Honestly, I'd be happy to see extremely cheap Modern cards. I own a playset of Snapcaster Mages and if they fall to $20 I'll be happy for the format.
I just had a conversation the other day about Chronicles and MM3, the person who was playing back then, said it was really bad for the game overall because everything that was nearing 20$ ended up being 3-5$ that was notable. So I asked him, was the problem the 15$ drop, or the 75% drop? His response was interesting, and he said he had never looked at it from that perspective before. So I want to know, are you guys fine living in a world where we may have 50$ Goyfs again? is that too much? Remember, Goyf was barely 80$ before the first MM. We already know that MM3 is going to be bigger and better than the predecessors combined when it comes to price and accessibility.
Just FYI, I traded into my future sight goyfs around the time of the first modern masters set and they were around 200 each. This was the main cause of all the hype surrounding the set. They definitely weren't "barely 80" otherwise where did my $800 of trades go! Haha
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Modern: G Tron, Vannifar, Jund, Druid/Vizier combo, Humans, Eldrazi Stompy (Serum Powder), Amulet, Grishoalbrand, Breach Titan, Turns, Eternal Command, As Foretold Living End, Elves, Cheerios, RUG Scapeshift
I just had a conversation the other day about Chronicles and MM3, the person who was playing back then, said it was really bad for the game overall because everything that was nearing 20$ ended up being 3-5$ that was notable. So I asked him, was the problem the 15$ drop, or the 75% drop? His response was interesting, and he said he had never looked at it from that perspective before. So I want to know, are you guys fine living in a world where we may have 50$ Goyfs again? is that too much? Remember, Goyf was barely 80$ before the first MM. We already know that MM3 is going to be bigger and better than the predecessors combined when it comes to price and accessibility.
Just FYI, I traded into my future sight goyfs around the time of the first modern masters set and they were around 200 each. This was the main cause of all the hype surrounding the set. They definitely weren't "barely 80" otherwise where did my $800 of trades go! Haha
No, the card did spike post release of the set there was even huge ***** storms on this forum about it.
I believe the reason people gave is MMA made more people get into modern and just owning one goyf is pointless when you need a set.
You probably traded into the goyfs shortly after the set was released that or got incredibly ripped off.
So should I preorder my playset of Goblin Guide from star city now, or wait for after release? I mean, it's already dropped quite a bit from what it was. Will it drop more after release, or am I just being greedy.
So long as you're ok with the new art, definitely wait until MM17 packs start to get opened. Generally, 1 - 4 months post-release are the best times to pick up reprints at their lows. As of right now, it seems like most folks either hate the new art or don't mind it, so I'd wager that the MM17 versions would be cheaper for you in the long run. If you need Eidolons or other burn staples, however, I'd pick those up sooner than later.
So should I preorder my playset of Goblin Guide from star city now, or wait for after release? I mean, it's already dropped quite a bit from what it was. Will it drop more after release, or am I just being greedy.
So long as you're ok with the new art, definitely wait until MM17 packs start to get opened. Generally, 1 - 4 months post-release are the best times to pick up reprints at their lows. As of right now, it seems like most folks either hate the new art or don't mind it, so I'd wager that the MM17 versions would be cheaper for you in the long run. If you need Eidolons or other burn staples, however, I'd pick those up sooner than later.
The ship has largely sailed on Eidolon*, but other staples like Boros Charm and Rift Bolt haven't moved at all since spoilers started.
*Although Eidolon may spike again after full spoilers. A surprising number of folks don't realize it's not a reprint possibility for MM17, and may jump once they realize it's not in the set.
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Playing UX Mana Denial until Modern gets the answers it needs.
WUBRG Humans BRW Mardu Pyromancer UW UW "Control" UR Blue Moon
Probably, though most decks run less shocklands than fetchlands and the shocklands were already reprinted twice in Standard, while the Enemy fetchlands were not.
I think the optimism around this set making modern affordable and creating a paradise for the format isn't going to work out in the long run.
I think this game will die without chase cards. A lot of people open packs in hopes of winning the lottery. So, while it may allow more people access to tournies, you are going to completely alienate collectors and investors and whether you want to believe it or not, those people are just as important as tourney players.
Im fine with trying to keep card prices around 50 to 60. People who want everything reprinted to the point where everything costs a dollar?
I think those ideals will kill the game long before speculators or investors. I hope they don't print into oblivion.
What is the incentive for LGSs to crack packs for singles? Its not worth anybodys time to crack 100 booster boxes to sell 1 to 5 dollar cards.
Watch KTK fetches. This set generating interest in modern among newer players will likely create increased demand for KTK fetches as well even though there are still a lot of those in circulation.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
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Staffif colt is right then maybe, I'll find it interesting to see what this set does to prices
Rubbing my hands together is what I do best.
Im not worried, but it always feels good to know my card collection is holding up in the secondary market.
I agree with your health of the format statements. In the end, I prefer seeing more players in Modern.
RUG Temur Deprive Delver
BUG Sultai Deprive Delver
Even if they're not, I have no intention of ever selling mine. Foil ISD Snaps are probably the most gorgeous cards I own. I know plenty of people think the same, so regardless of this snap, the IDS Snaps are solid to hold. One day, if I ever decide to sell out of the game entirely, I'm sure they'd still be worth a good deal.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
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Colorless Eldrazi Stompy
Thanks!
Aggro: Naya Burn RWG
Combo: Scapeshift RG
Control: Jeskai Control UWR
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Aggro: Burn R
buy Eidolon of the Great Revel yesterday, the price has already gone up and will only continue too
Everything else, wait for 1 month after MM2017 comes out for prices to be lowest
- WotC is willing to reprint fetches in Master sets.
- WotC is willing to upshift/downshift rarity on cards which already has Mythic in its original set.
I'm waiting if Death's Shadow will get a reprint, but I'm getting a set for $30 which seems like a good deal already. I'll probably pull the trigger.No way is this chronicles for modern even at that print level. The reason they did this is because the print runs of pre-RTR cards are way lower than post RTR and the fetchlands being reprinted in any kind of set with a short print run would just cause the price to spike hard after the initial downturn. Also, unlike when Chronicles happened, the pool of modern playable cards is just too great to reprint in one masters set. To really create chronicles in modern they'd have to do the print run they are doing in Modern masters 2017, then hit it again through supplementary products like Commander during the fall season while peppering reprints in standard, then finally hit the entire format hard again during spring next year.
If those things happen, then yes we have chronicles, but even then I don't see that being bad for anyone except the Investors. Modern would just explode and more people would be playing it because the biggest barrier to modern is the price tag on the mana base and the top cards. The entire reason Frontier is popular is because of how expensive the mana base in modern is. Just go take a look at the reasons people in frontier want the fetches banned and the number one reason is that they will become expensive.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I'm not an expert in foils, but according to MTGGoldfish, it dropped $13 since yesterday. So do with that knowledge what you will.
WUBRG Humans
BRW Mardu Pyromancer
UW UW "Control"
UR Blue Moon
Unlike you and me and everyone else, WotC spends money on research. I wouldn't be surprised to learn they have bots that crawl over the major card selling sites to mine data on what is selling, and how fast in relation to market triggers like unbannings, GP results, and the Pro Tour.
All of that data will tell them 1 thing: The fastest growing format in Magic over the past 2 years has easily been Commander. It is easy to see Commander being targeted with every release.
You need 1 Tarn for a commander deck. We need 4, who benefits more with this set?
Modern, and it's not close.
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I would be all over a $50 Goyf, as it's a bridge to far at the current price.
I think it's telling that when modern had some popularity spikes, we saw spikes in delver, burn, and infect.
If we could see some spikes in terms of mid-range and some shifting in the meta that is favourable to control..well who knows.
I'm comfortable with mythical in the 40 to 50, less so uncommon at 15 or 20 (CAD)
So yeah, I'm OK with this.
Spirits
IMO purposefully having enough of your net worth invested in cardboard that it annoys you when Goyf and other staples become cheaper is a mistake, and complaining about prices going down demonstrates a poor understanding of both economics and personal finances. The only time I could theoretically see it being not horribly immature is when your livelihood is literally card values, i.e. a game store. Except that stores benefit immensely from products like Modern Masters being printed, so nah.
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Honestly, I'd be happy to see extremely cheap Modern cards. I own a playset of Snapcaster Mages and if they fall to $20 I'll be happy for the format.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Just FYI, I traded into my future sight goyfs around the time of the first modern masters set and they were around 200 each. This was the main cause of all the hype surrounding the set. They definitely weren't "barely 80" otherwise where did my $800 of trades go! Haha
No, the card did spike post release of the set there was even huge ***** storms on this forum about it.
I believe the reason people gave is MMA made more people get into modern and just owning one goyf is pointless when you need a set.
You probably traded into the goyfs shortly after the set was released that or got incredibly ripped off.
So long as you're ok with the new art, definitely wait until MM17 packs start to get opened. Generally, 1 - 4 months post-release are the best times to pick up reprints at their lows. As of right now, it seems like most folks either hate the new art or don't mind it, so I'd wager that the MM17 versions would be cheaper for you in the long run. If you need Eidolons or other burn staples, however, I'd pick those up sooner than later.
Link to Discord server where anybody from MTGS can keep up with thread topics while everything is being sorted out with the new site.
The ship has largely sailed on Eidolon*, but other staples like Boros Charm and Rift Bolt haven't moved at all since spoilers started.
*Although Eidolon may spike again after full spoilers. A surprising number of folks don't realize it's not a reprint possibility for MM17, and may jump once they realize it's not in the set.
WUBRG Humans
BRW Mardu Pyromancer
UW UW "Control"
UR Blue Moon
WBC Eldrazi & Taxes CBW
UR Keep on Cantripin' (UR Phoenix) RU
WU Surprise! It's not UW Control! (UW Midrange) UW
BG The Rock, Straight BG
U Mono-Blue Fish U
RBW Mardu Pyromancer BWR
RG Rabble! Rabble! (GR Blood Moon Aggro) GR
Legacy
W Death & Taxes W
I think this game will die without chase cards. A lot of people open packs in hopes of winning the lottery. So, while it may allow more people access to tournies, you are going to completely alienate collectors and investors and whether you want to believe it or not, those people are just as important as tourney players.
Im fine with trying to keep card prices around 50 to 60. People who want everything reprinted to the point where everything costs a dollar?
I think those ideals will kill the game long before speculators or investors. I hope they don't print into oblivion.
What is the incentive for LGSs to crack packs for singles? Its not worth anybodys time to crack 100 booster boxes to sell 1 to 5 dollar cards.