What about all the graveyard hate that comes out? As an Assault Loam player, it is always rather sad to see new hate come out. That's just sort of how the game works though. Try looking at it as a new challenge to over come. Things can't be too easy. Otherwise the game becomes unfun.
That's like saying every counterspell or discard effect is Storm hate. Removal gets Twin, but that's far from "Twin hate". Realistically what do we have that is Twin hate.. Torpor Orb, and Spellskite. . . I guess Ghostly Prison could work..
And how many of those actually see play? 6-8 cards? The card pool is big enough that there is substantial hate for everything. Especially since you're playing off of a mechanic that Wizards is aware of as being busted. Look at the hate that Affinity has to play through. If you're going to play something that is known to be busted, expect substantial hate.
Fair enough, but Storm isn't crushing anything. They already neutered it with 4 bannings.. Why the need for more hate when there is plenty already. I wanna see more Grafdigger's Cages, and Torpor Orbs. Where is the Pod and Twin hate? Those decks have been at the top of Modern literally forever, yet nothing at all has been done to slow them down.
You're telling me Pod really needs a tutorable, Bolt-proof Rule of Law?
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It'd be ok if they printed new stuff for Storm decks... of course, they won't. Because Magic isn't supposed to be played like that. I play Storm too, and every year that goes by, Storm gets a little weaker. Not just Modern but Legacy too. Other than better hate for the hate (eg. Abrupt Decay vs. Counterbalance), it's hard for me to imagine them printing better rituals, better card filtering, better storm cards, better tutors, better engines... I'd really be surprised to get anything like Goblin Electromancer, Gitaxian Probe or Past in Flames again. (BTW, those 3 cards, printed in 3 separate blocks!) Storm gets maybe one card a block. Other decks get new stuff waaaay more often than Storm. For example, every hate bear can go into pod, let alone D&T.
Same goes with graveyard-based decks. The new hate printed isn't proportionate to new tools printed.
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Wizards wants combo to be playable not to dominate a format
Then why are Twin and Pod always at the top of the format? Creature combo is ok?
Twin and Pod probably always float to the top despite all the hate on them. I've read plenty of grumbling about Pod's power level in the Pod threads alone, and the grumbling I've read supports a Birthing Pod ban.
Heck, Melira Pod's hottest win streak was between Deathrite Shaman's release and Scavenging Ooze's release (yes, even though Deathrite hates on Melira Pod fairly hard), and it was still fairly winning (it won a third GP after Ooze was released!) until Anger of the Gods was released. ...It somehow still gets results more often than Twin Pod now, despite getting hit harder by Anger.
Admittedly, the reason why Twin always floats to the top is probably because it's splintered into 5 different decks--UR All-In Twin, UR Tempo Twin, UWR More Controlling Twin, RUG Tarmo Twin, and the now-rare RW Twin. In comparison, I'm not even sure there are 5 different Zoo variants (I can name Naya Small Zoo, Naya Big Zoo, and Domain Zoo off the top of my head).
Best and trolliest hate is quicken plus your own grapeshot in response to thier grape shot lol
Problem is, that doesn't always work. Sometimes they kill you with two Grapeshots (say, one for 10 and one for 12), and using Quicken+Grapeshot isn't necessarily enough to kill them with it because Storm isn't high enough for one Grapeshot. Additionally, if they go off with Empty the Warrens, the Quicken+Grapeshot becomes even less impressive looking.
(I think that) WotC have a certain view of how the game is supposed to be played, and they're trying to shape the Modern format accordingly. Out of the decks you mentioned in the first post, Storm and (to a lesser extent) Scapeshift probably aren't complying to their view of how the game should be played. Those are the decks that get the most hate and the least support. Doesn't that make perfect sense? As a Storm player I'm sure you disagree with WotC here, and you're entitled to, but that really doesn't help much.
I'm not sure if Scapeshift gets the same treatment though, can anyone chime in? Maybe it's harder to do without banning key cards? Maybe they like it's more interactive with counters and stuff? Or maybe the deck is less prominent or less successful? Don't know.
And why is Pod and Twin combo ok, but not Storm? Don't know, but I suspect it has to do with the fact that those decks are generally more interactive, and that the cards in those decks to a larger degree do what they were meant to do in the first place, while Storm arguably feels more like a glitch/exploit. This is all subjective opinion, of course, but if it's Wizards' subjective opinion, the format will be gradually shaped accordingly.
The running joke about Wizards is that they have a very transparent hatred of Storm and Dredge.
Look, they even have a Constellation critter that nukes yards!
But seriously, I think that it's a bit self-absorbed to say it's purely to hose Storm. A card like Eidolon of Rhetoric makes a whole lot of sense when you consider they finally took the opportunity to do what they should've done since the start of Theros; make beloved enchantments into enchantment creatures. Rule of Law on legs (no, you don't count Canonist you're just an Etherium supremacist and you know it) should've happened from the getgo.
Now if only they gave us Sulfuric Vortex on legs...
I get why Storm players would get annoyed by this, but printing more hate doesn't change the fact that sideboards consist of 15 cards. If people wanted to hate on Storm they could and Storm would instantly cease to exsist. But people also have to be prepared for 20 other decks. I know this is common knowledge but still worth keeping in mind as I don't think that any of the new kids in town are radically more powerful than other options. Would Zoo play the new Pillar dude over Canonist, Thalia or Teeg for instance? I'm not too sure, but I'm ready to be proven wrong.
As for hating on Pod, I honetly can't imagine a more powerful option than what we already have (Cage, Matrix, Orb). I don't think that Wizards is throwing Pod players a bone I just think they haven't figured out how to create a hate piece that beats those. It's not the lack of hate pieces available to us in the format that makes Pod good, it's how they attack on different angles that makes them hard to hate on.
But Pod is my favorite matchup when I'm not playing it myself (and even when I lose), I think Storm is fun too, at least a hell lot more fun than that annoying piece of s**t also called Second Sunrise. So I might be a bit biased.
Is there a deck out there that doesn't have a good amount of hate for it?
You're right in the fact that most every deck has hate for it, but where most decks have maybe 4-5 cards that can hate it out, Storm has 20+. I mean ok, i get that the deck is powerful, but is 4 bannings and countless printings of new storm hate necessary?
As Badabingbadabum already mentioned, there's only 15 sideboard slots available so its not like your playing against all the hate at once, but there is still an unarguably disproportionate amount of hate for Storm, than for any other archetype.
And no Zoo isn't going to play Eidolon of the Great Revel over Thalia, but i'm sure Burn will. And Does pod, the arguably best deck in Modern, need a tuterable Rule of Law; A tuterable hatebear that's out of both Bolt and Sweeper range?
Also as others mentioned Twin and Pod hate only does so much because they have backup plans to fall back on.. Storm doesn't. Any 1 piece of hate will stop the deck in its tracks completely.
I admit though, i am overly emotional about the subject as Storm is the 1 thing i want to be doing in magic, so it definitely bums me out whenever i see new powerful storm hate.
Be glad they're printing hate, it means they're less likely to ban your deck to death, and more likely to let new spells in that make it stronger. Plus, hatebears make combo matchups actually interesting, since they're easily removed but provide a roadblock, adding texture to the game rather than "Do I combo out before you beat me to death/drop insurmountable hate? Oh ok, I do/don't, GG." which is boring for everyone. Magic is about interacting with your opponent, cards that force you to do so are healthy for the game.
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Theres already enough Storm hate, there doesn't really need to be more. What there needs to be more of is Pod hate, but Wizards doesn't seem to want to do anything about Pod. While it does exist, Pod is the combo deck that can get out of hate cards the easiest.
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Pod is 12%
Affinity is at 9%
Scapeshift 6%
Tron 6%
Storm 6%
Is it really necessary to print new Storm hate in every set?
We have Eidolon of Rhetoric and Eidolon of the Great Revel about to be coming into Modern, and i can't see a good reason for the excessive Storm hate. A Modern legal Pyrostatic Pillar, sure that's fine. . But does Pod really need a Rule of Law they can tutor?
As a storm player it bums me out.
For storm there is
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
Ethersworn Canonist
Gaddock Teeg
Thorn of Amethyst
Chalice of the Void
Lodestone Golem
Trinisphere
Spirit of the Labyrinth
Rule of Law
Pretty soon. . .
Eidolon of Rhetoric
Eidolon of the Great Revel
Not to mention. . .
Dryad Militant
Scavenging Ooze
Withered Wretch
Grafdigger's Cage
Tormod's Crypt
Nihil Spellbomb
Relic of Progenitus
Rest in Peace
These also hit storm. . .
Leyline of the Void
Leyline of Sanctity
I mean that's just stupid.
You're telling me Pod really needs a tutorable, Bolt-proof Rule of Law?
Same goes with graveyard-based decks. The new hate printed isn't proportionate to new tools printed.
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Wizards wants combo to be playable not to dominate a format
Then why are Twin and Pod always at the top of the format? Creature combo is ok?
Twin and Pod probably always float to the top despite all the hate on them. I've read plenty of grumbling about Pod's power level in the Pod threads alone, and the grumbling I've read supports a Birthing Pod ban.
Heck, Melira Pod's hottest win streak was between Deathrite Shaman's release and Scavenging Ooze's release (yes, even though Deathrite hates on Melira Pod fairly hard), and it was still fairly winning (it won a third GP after Ooze was released!) until Anger of the Gods was released. ...It somehow still gets results more often than Twin Pod now, despite getting hit harder by Anger.
Admittedly, the reason why Twin always floats to the top is probably because it's splintered into 5 different decks--UR All-In Twin, UR Tempo Twin, UWR More Controlling Twin, RUG Tarmo Twin, and the now-rare RW Twin. In comparison, I'm not even sure there are 5 different Zoo variants (I can name Naya Small Zoo, Naya Big Zoo, and Domain Zoo off the top of my head).
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Though if you do manage it, it becomes hilarious.
I'm not sure if Scapeshift gets the same treatment though, can anyone chime in? Maybe it's harder to do without banning key cards? Maybe they like it's more interactive with counters and stuff? Or maybe the deck is less prominent or less successful? Don't know.
And why is Pod and Twin combo ok, but not Storm? Don't know, but I suspect it has to do with the fact that those decks are generally more interactive, and that the cards in those decks to a larger degree do what they were meant to do in the first place, while Storm arguably feels more like a glitch/exploit. This is all subjective opinion, of course, but if it's Wizards' subjective opinion, the format will be gradually shaped accordingly.
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You're particularly missing Abrupt Decay as the best anti-twin card around.
The running joke about Wizards is that they have a very transparent hatred of Storm and Dredge.
Look, they even have a Constellation critter that nukes yards!
But seriously, I think that it's a bit self-absorbed to say it's purely to hose Storm. A card like Eidolon of Rhetoric makes a whole lot of sense when you consider they finally took the opportunity to do what they should've done since the start of Theros; make beloved enchantments into enchantment creatures. Rule of Law on legs (no, you don't count Canonist you're just an Etherium supremacist and you know it) should've happened from the getgo.
Now if only they gave us Sulfuric Vortex on legs...
Innistrad gave storm Past in Flames, Thought Scour, Desperate Ravings, Faithless Looting
Ravnica gave it Electromancer, Epic Experiment
Storm keeps getting stronger! That's why they had to ban more cards
Even legacy storm gained Past in Flames
I get why Storm players would get annoyed by this, but printing more hate doesn't change the fact that sideboards consist of 15 cards. If people wanted to hate on Storm they could and Storm would instantly cease to exsist. But people also have to be prepared for 20 other decks. I know this is common knowledge but still worth keeping in mind as I don't think that any of the new kids in town are radically more powerful than other options. Would Zoo play the new Pillar dude over Canonist, Thalia or Teeg for instance? I'm not too sure, but I'm ready to be proven wrong.
As for hating on Pod, I honetly can't imagine a more powerful option than what we already have (Cage, Matrix, Orb). I don't think that Wizards is throwing Pod players a bone I just think they haven't figured out how to create a hate piece that beats those. It's not the lack of hate pieces available to us in the format that makes Pod good, it's how they attack on different angles that makes them hard to hate on.
But Pod is my favorite matchup when I'm not playing it myself (and even when I lose), I think Storm is fun too, at least a hell lot more fun than that annoying piece of s**t also called Second Sunrise. So I might be a bit biased.
More like it's kinda impossible to hate out a 50/50 goodstuff deck, it's like trying to punch water. Just flows around, continuing on its merry way...
You're right in the fact that most every deck has hate for it, but where most decks have maybe 4-5 cards that can hate it out, Storm has 20+. I mean ok, i get that the deck is powerful, but is 4 bannings and countless printings of new storm hate necessary?
As Badabingbadabum already mentioned, there's only 15 sideboard slots available so its not like your playing against all the hate at once, but there is still an unarguably disproportionate amount of hate for Storm, than for any other archetype.
And no Zoo isn't going to play Eidolon of the Great Revel over Thalia, but i'm sure Burn will. And Does pod, the arguably best deck in Modern, need a tuterable Rule of Law; A tuterable hatebear that's out of both Bolt and Sweeper range?
Also as others mentioned Twin and Pod hate only does so much because they have backup plans to fall back on.. Storm doesn't. Any 1 piece of hate will stop the deck in its tracks completely.
I admit though, i am overly emotional about the subject as Storm is the 1 thing i want to be doing in magic, so it definitely bums me out whenever i see new powerful storm hate.
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