There's Arbor Elf, Mox Opal, and Springleaf Drum; but other than these, there seems to be a conspicuous lack of mana acceleration in modern. Affinity doesn't even use any of the five 2 CMC manabots.
Which makes me wonder why.
Does mana accel dominate other formats? If WotC were to print more efficient mana accel (arbor elf-like cards), would those cards become must-haves in all color-appropriate decks in modern?
There are several decks in this format that depend on ramp, and a couple of them (Tron variants) are tier 1 or 1.5. Combo Elves is almost entirely mana dork elves and combo ramp, the amulet of vigor kangaroo decks see fringe play. Hell, there are some really fun things you can do with walls.
Oh, I thought he was talking about playing a spell that is countering a spell with counters on it as it comes into play, but I see you guys were just discussing whether he was flashing a creature with flash in order to flash a flashback or just flashing a creature with flash but not needing flash in order to flashback a spell without flash.
There's Arbor Elf, Mox Opal, and Springleaf Drum; but other than these, there seems to be a conspicuous lack of mana acceleration in modern. Affinity doesn't even use any of the five 2 CMC manabots.
Which makes me wonder why.
Does mana accel dominate other formats? If WotC were to print more efficient mana accel (arbor elf-like cards), would those cards become must-haves in all color-appropriate decks in modern?
It should be noted that Affinity couldn't even afford to use mana Myr.
Or more accurately, when you're running Opals and Drums why would you slow yourself down with mana bots when you can just Cranial Plate something and proceed to turn stuff sideways? It's more interested in Moxen and things comparable to.
There are several decks in this format that depend on ramp, and a couple of them (Tron variants) are tier 1 or 1.5. Combo Elves is almost entirely mana dork elves and combo ramp, the amulet of vigor kangaroo decks see fringe play. Hell, there are some really fun things you can do with walls.
...I mean, I had an elf ramp deck way back in the day, before I even know about the different formats, but I didn't think to look in a subforum called 'modern deck creation' for stickied deck archetypes.
I guess you weren't around when Deathrite Shaman was the best card in the format
Nope.
I've just recently gotten on a Magic kick, and really don't know the ins and outs yet. And honestly, without the MagSal hivemind, I probably would have passed DRS up as a needlessly conditional card.
There's Arbor Elf, Mox Opal, and Springleaf Drum; but other than these, there seems to be a conspicuous lack of mana acceleration in modern. Affinity doesn't even use any of the five 2 CMC manabots.
Which makes me wonder why.
Does mana accel dominate other formats? If WotC were to print more efficient mana accel (arbor elf-like cards), would those cards become must-haves in all color-appropriate decks in modern?
It should be noted that Affinity couldn't even afford to use mana Myr.
Or more accurately, when you're running Opals and Drums why would you slow yourself down with mana bots when you can just Cranial Plate something and proceed to turn stuff sideways? It's more interested in Moxen and things comparable to.
Very true. I guess I just figured "If you're gonna ramp, why not go for a few more rampers, even if they're not as efficient?" I mean Mox Opal and Drum are great and all, but one of them is legendary, so you can't have but five at most in play! (And is it even worth putting multiples of legendary cards in one deck?)
Well due to not totally recent updates to the Legendary rule you're able to use up Opals like they were Lotus Petals since the Legend rule doesn't annihilate all copies but instead lets you keep one before annihilating all the other copies under your control.
So once Metalcraft is online you can drop an Opal, tap for mana, drop another Opal getting rid of the tapped one, tap the new Opal for mana, and so on. Again, like Lotus Petals!
Green:
elves
Blecher- Chansler of the tangle
Scapeshift- Sakura tribe elder
Amulet- Azuza, prime time
Mono green shrine
Affinty- Heirch
Artifact decks:
Affinity- opal, drum
Multi:
Storm- any ritual
Naya zoo- heiarch
Tin Fists- Sprirt guide
rock decks- knight of the reliquary, neiarch
Pod- all of them depending.
Loam decks- Life from the loam
Bant- Heirch, birds
I'm sure I missed a bunch. I just listed some off the top of my head.
Why does no on play Sylvan Carytid? It's not boltable/pathable, it blocks jussst fine (reliable!) and it's any color mana. Too slow?
It's not a terribly great blocker in this format. It can't block or block profitably against Nacatl, Goyf, Delver, Anything Affinity plays, Faeries, Colonnades, Knight of the Reliquary, Smiter, Kitchen Finks, or Resto Angels. So what does that leave for creatures that see play that actually turn sideways to attack (IE Not Kiki-Jiki)? Snapcaster, Dark Confidant, Goblin Guide, and Geist? It's horrible at blocking Geist too, now that I think about it.
Wall of Roots and Spellskite are much better options for ramping and walling.
THIS 100X!!! If you don't agree with this then there is no amount of logic that will ever convince you that good, non-oppressive, combos should be allowed. If you don't agree with it then just don't play this game, and you certainly shouldn't feel entitled to make any comment on ban lists ever.
Which makes me wonder why.
Does mana accel dominate other formats? If WotC were to print more efficient mana accel (arbor elf-like cards), would those cards become must-haves in all color-appropriate decks in modern?
Aside from that, Birds of Paradise and most notably Noble Hierarch are all over the place.
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-regarding Snapcaster Mage.
It should be noted that Affinity couldn't even afford to use mana Myr.
Or more accurately, when you're running Opals and Drums why would you slow yourself down with mana bots when you can just Cranial Plate something and proceed to turn stuff sideways? It's more interested in Moxen and things comparable to.
Oh jeez, I didn't even know about Combo Elves.
...I mean, I had an elf ramp deck way back in the day, before I even know about the different formats, but I didn't think to look in a subforum called 'modern deck creation' for stickied deck archetypes.
Totally my bad.
Nope.
I've just recently gotten on a Magic kick, and really don't know the ins and outs yet. And honestly, without the MagSal hivemind, I probably would have passed DRS up as a needlessly conditional card.
Very true. I guess I just figured "If you're gonna ramp, why not go for a few more rampers, even if they're not as efficient?" I mean Mox Opal and Drum are great and all, but one of them is legendary, so you can't have but five at most in play! (And is it even worth putting multiples of legendary cards in one deck?)
So once Metalcraft is online you can drop an Opal, tap for mana, drop another Opal getting rid of the tapped one, tap the new Opal for mana, and so on. Again, like Lotus Petals!
control decks with Talisman of Dominance and brothers.
Red:
Blood Moon locks
Black:
Deathrite shamanGreen:
elves
Blecher- Chansler of the tangle
Scapeshift- Sakura tribe elder
Amulet- Azuza, prime time
Mono green shrine
Affinty- Heirch
Artifact decks:
Affinity- opal, drum
Multi:
Storm- any ritual
Naya zoo- heiarch
Tin Fists- Sprirt guide
rock decks- knight of the reliquary, neiarch
Pod- all of them depending.
Loam decks- Life from the loam
Bant- Heirch, birds
I'm sure I missed a bunch. I just listed some off the top of my head.
It's not a terribly great blocker in this format. It can't block or block profitably against Nacatl, Goyf, Delver, Anything Affinity plays, Faeries, Colonnades, Knight of the Reliquary, Smiter, Kitchen Finks, or Resto Angels. So what does that leave for creatures that see play that actually turn sideways to attack (IE Not Kiki-Jiki)? Snapcaster, Dark Confidant, Goblin Guide, and Geist? It's horrible at blocking Geist too, now that I think about it.
Wall of Roots and Spellskite are much better options for ramping and walling.
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