I'm glad to see a couple of next level tech's get rewarded with a top 8. As much as I like the super teams, sometimes they don't take a big enough risk. The people that do take the risk, should be rewarded. I was definitely rooting for Kai to make it top 8 with storm and get some validation for the deck.
Blood Moon has, and always will IMO, shut down greedy deck with crazy mana bases. It does it in legacy, and now modern. People were playing 5 color mana bases JUST to get tribal flames to do the whole 5 damage, for example. Blue Moon has a shot to win it all.
I'm glad to see a couple of next level tech's get rewarded with a top 8. As much as I like the super teams, sometimes they don't take a big enough risk. The people that do take the risk, should be rewarded. I was definitely rooting for Kai to make it top 8 with storm and get some validation for the deck.
Americans never take big risks. It always annoys me. Its either blue control or good stuff. Its an american thing, not a pro thing.
If he is, then I guess that puts a damper on what the commentators were saying about RUG/UWR Twin being better, more dynamic decks.
yet to be seen, since all 3 would be in top 8. ridiculous.
Meta didn't change as much as people thought. Pretty much the same top decks minus jund. Blood Moon was obviously a brilliant PT meta call but not something I would build for a local tournament.
I like dickmann playing what he knows but changing it enough to still have a surprise element.
No usual big names from big teams in top 8 is surprising. I guess the Modern got to the point where it's diverse enough for team playtesting to not matter.
I'm glad to see a couple of next level tech's get rewarded with a top 8. As much as I like the super teams, sometimes they don't take a big enough risk. The people that do take the risk, should be rewarded. I was definitely rooting for Kai to make it top 8 with storm and get some validation for the deck.
We already have 1 Storm deck in the top 8. We don't need two of them.
No usual big names from big teams in top 8 is surprising. I guess the Modern got to the point where it's diverse enough for team playtesting to not matter.
Most american "Pros" Have openly said they dont test for modern outside of their seasons. The guys who have been toping a dudes who consistently rep a deck because they love it. The resounding them over and over is : Its better to know your deck in modern, than try to jump on a good deck hopping you can win.
That was the issue with jund for a very long time. Lots of top 16ing, few wins, because the players using the deck were good players, but lost to just as good players who also know modern/their deck better.
No usual big names from big teams in top 8 is surprising. I guess the Modern got to the point where it's diverse enough for team playtesting to not matter.
I don't think the diversity is the reason for this. I think it is like Lantern was saying: play the decks you are most familiar with because you can get more mileage out of that strategy than you can out of a "team playtested" approach.
I hate to say it, but Electromancer is accelerant, and accelerant makes what gas you have left to work with more volatile than it usually is.
It's like giving Helm of Awakening to Eggs, but then you throw a loop in the equation in that Electromancer should be a dead Goblin walking.
Over all, there is a lot of combo, but it makes sence. Zoo was 50% of the starting meta because it was "the best deck" so the decks that beat zoo (Namely combo and big zoo) won out. Big zoo would then lose to combo because of the lack of race option, than control did very well because of it. Can't stress that enough. Meta is really healthy, because thats rock paper scissors at work. Just how legacies meta adapts, thats what ours is doing now too. Note, I said adapts, not changes... Powerful decks stay good, just whats good in the meta shifts as the meta itself shifts.
Thats a good sign. Means our angsty Teen Modern, that grew outta its kid phase about a year ago, if becoming a young adult. Dunno if its old enough to drink yet, but it's getting there.
I hate to say it, but Electromancer is accelerant, and accelerant makes what gas you have left to work with more volatile than it usually is.
It's like giving Helm of Awakening to Eggs, but then you throw a loop in the equation in that Electromancer should be a dead Goblin walking.
...I mean, they are running Electromancer, right?
They are and have been ever since it was printed.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the meta. I'm not saying that because I love combo, but because I know that if combo decks get too popular Faeries will step in and keep them in check. It kind of makes sense that combo did so well at this PT, because there were so few Faeries players.
Over all, there is a lot of combo, but it makes sence. Zoo was 50% of the starting meta because it was "the best deck" so the decks that beat zoo (Namely combo and big zoo) won out. Big zoo would then lose to combo because of the lack of race option, than control did very well because of it. Can't stress that enough. Meta is really healthy, because thats rock paper scissors at work. Just how legacies meta adapts, thats what ours is doing now too. Note, I said adapts, not changes... Powerful decks stay good, just whats good in the meta shifts as the meta itself shifts.
Thats a good sign. Means our angsty Teen Modern, that grew outta its kid phase about a year ago, if becoming a young adult. Dunno if its old enough to drink yet, but it's getting there.
Am I right? Or just too optimistic? Thoughts?
Is drinking age supposed to be a metaphor for Dread Return being unbanned?
Because I want it to be a metaphor for Dread Return being unbanned some day.
I hate to say it, but Electromancer is accelerant, and accelerant makes what gas you have left to work with more volatile than it usually is.
It's like giving Helm of Awakening to Eggs, but then you throw a loop in the equation in that Electromancer should be a dead Goblin walking.
...I mean, they are running Electromancer, right?
They are and have been ever since it was printed.
Just checking!
I mean I still don't like him, too burn-on-sight for my blood...
But Seething Song being gone totally killed the deck, right?
Nope, it just killed Dragonstorm, Hive Mind, Ritual Gifts, and AIR.
The ban did limit Storm to going the Past in Flames / pyromancer route though. Prior to the ban you would see a mix of Storm decks, some used past in flames, others not so much. This linearity gives the meta a way to hate on it as we saw in some of the coverage. Leyline of the Void enabled the Pod player to easily win games 2-3 despite having crappy hands. He even took a 1 lander and won thanks to Leyline.
I think the pro tour format sort of protects a deck like Blue Moon from the field that it's bad against. If you 3-0 your draft pod, you can sort of expect that the decks you're going to play have greedier mana bases since that's what the pros that are more likely to 3-0 draft pods like to play.,
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"There are no two words in the English language more harmful than 'good job'." -Terrance Fletcher, Whiplash (2014)
yet to be seen, since all 3 would be in top 8. ridiculous.
Americans never take big risks. It always annoys me. Its either blue control or good stuff. Its an american thing, not a pro thing.
T8:
McLaren (UWR Control)
Lee (Blue Moon)
Wilson (Melira Pod)
Seibold (Affinity)
Dickmann (RUG Twin)
Fennell (Storm)
Alkio
Rivera (UWR Twin)
T16:
Boettcher (Ad Nauseam)
Zatlkaj (Jund)
McClain (Melira Pod)
Vidugiris (Storm)
Zheng
Budde (Storm)
Turtenwald (Scapeshift?)
Sochurek
LOL 3 Storm in T16. Nice.
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Big Johnny.
Owen is on Big Zoo.
Meta didn't change as much as people thought. Pretty much the same top decks minus jund. Blood Moon was obviously a brilliant PT meta call but not something I would build for a local tournament.
I like dickmann playing what he knows but changing it enough to still have a surprise element.
Izzet, I can always count on you.
We already have 1 Storm deck in the top 8. We don't need two of them.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Current post- Grand Prix KC Modern Postmortem (7/7/13)
Most american "Pros" Have openly said they dont test for modern outside of their seasons. The guys who have been toping a dudes who consistently rep a deck because they love it. The resounding them over and over is : Its better to know your deck in modern, than try to jump on a good deck hopping you can win.
That was the issue with jund for a very long time. Lots of top 16ing, few wins, because the players using the deck were good players, but lost to just as good players who also know modern/their deck better.
I don't think the diversity is the reason for this. I think it is like Lantern was saying: play the decks you are most familiar with because you can get more mileage out of that strategy than you can out of a "team playtested" approach.
It's like giving Helm of Awakening to Eggs, but then you throw a loop in the equation in that Electromancer should be a dead Goblin walking.
...I mean, they are running Electromancer, right?
Over all, there is a lot of combo, but it makes sence. Zoo was 50% of the starting meta because it was "the best deck" so the decks that beat zoo (Namely combo and big zoo) won out. Big zoo would then lose to combo because of the lack of race option, than control did very well because of it. Can't stress that enough. Meta is really healthy, because thats rock paper scissors at work. Just how legacies meta adapts, thats what ours is doing now too. Note, I said adapts, not changes... Powerful decks stay good, just whats good in the meta shifts as the meta itself shifts.
Thats a good sign. Means our angsty Teen Modern, that grew outta its kid phase about a year ago, if becoming a young adult. Dunno if its old enough to drink yet, but it's getting there.
Am I right? Or just too optimistic? Thoughts?
They are and have been ever since it was printed.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the meta. I'm not saying that because I love combo, but because I know that if combo decks get too popular Faeries will step in and keep them in check. It kind of makes sense that combo did so well at this PT, because there were so few Faeries players.
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Big Johnny.
Is drinking age supposed to be a metaphor for Dread Return being unbanned?
Because I want it to be a metaphor for Dread Return being unbanned some day.
Just checking!
I mean I still don't like him, too burn-on-sight for my blood...
Nope, it just killed Dragonstorm, Hive Mind, Ritual Gifts, and AIR.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Cuneo and Pardee both play it really well (and use very different builds), I'm glad one of them got a feature match using it.
None of which ever put up results?
You can't kill that which has no life.
Current post- Grand Prix KC Modern Postmortem (7/7/13)
The ban did limit Storm to going the Past in Flames / pyromancer route though. Prior to the ban you would see a mix of Storm decks, some used past in flames, others not so much. This linearity gives the meta a way to hate on it as we saw in some of the coverage. Leyline of the Void enabled the Pod player to easily win games 2-3 despite having crappy hands. He even took a 1 lander and won thanks to Leyline.
I'm pretty sure that they were all Tier 3 and I'd say that Hive Mind was Tier 2. The Seething Song ban also killed Enduring Ideal.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Who knows?
People said the the same thing about Mono-Blue Devotion at Pro Tour Dublin and it still kept winning many events after it.
I think it can be a few % of the meta, but it shouldn't be consistently good without tons of zoo/pod to beat on.