While this is true, Control should be more powerful. Right now, it is about as powerful as other decks and it has some crippling matchups. In other decks with crippling matchups like RG Tron, that deck's overall power-level is higher than the decks in the rest of the format. Maybe that should be applied to control decks as well.
Just so I am clear about where you stand, since you agreed with my post. You want Wotc to narrow the format by unbanning or printing new cards so control gets a boost? Because the problem with control is the number of viable decks in the format. Control can not prepare for all decks they might see.
It can still see play if they print stronger and more general options, compared to very narrow answers.
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It's the reasons why UW/x Control in Standard is so good. Because between Detention Sphere, Supreme Verdict, counterspells, spot removal and their planeswalkers they can deal with literally anything.
While printing more universal answers is hard to do for a non-rotating format is would be a big boon. BG got Abrupt Decay for example. Where is the blue control variant of such a spell for example? You could argue that Detention Sphere is supposed to be that spell but it comes with the big downside of being removable.
While this is true, Control should be more powerful. Right now, it is about as powerful as other decks and it has some crippling matchups. In other decks with crippling matchups like RG Tron, that deck's overall power-level is higher than the decks in the rest of the format. Maybe that should be applied to control decks as well.
Just so I am clear about where you stand, since you agreed with my post. You want Wotc to narrow the format by unbanning or printing new cards so control gets a boost? Because the problem with control is the number of viable decks in the format. Control can not prepare for all decks they might see.
I don't think that it would narrow the format if control was viable. And even if it did narrow it a little, it still would have decks that could prey on it. If control was viable, we'd see decks that can fight it get stronger (like Tron). Then we'd see decks that can take out those decks like Twin and Affinity get stronger. As long as Control cannot beat Emrakul, it cannot be the dominant archetype for an extended period of time.
While this is true, Control should be more powerful. Right now, it is about as powerful as other decks and it has some crippling matchups. In other decks with crippling matchups like RG Tron, that deck's overall power-level is higher than the decks in the rest of the format. Maybe that should be applied to control decks as well.
Just so I am clear about where you stand, since you agreed with my post. You want Wotc to narrow the format by unbanning or printing new cards so control gets a boost? Because the problem with control is the number of viable decks in the format. Control can not prepare for all decks they might see.
I don't think that it would narrow the format if control was viable. And even if it did narrow it a little, it still would have decks that could prey on it. If control was viable, we'd see decks that can fight it get stronger (like Tron). Then we'd see decks that can take out those decks like Twin and Affinity get stronger. As long as Control cannot beat Emrakul, it cannot be the dominant archetype for an extended period of time.
If Tron was 10-15% of the format you would definitely see Mindbreak Trap played a lot more (it is the answer to Emrakul and can be tutored with Mystical Teachings).
Jace is hard to answer in Legacy and I can't find what cards actually do even 'answer' Jace. I think that this very under costed, self-protecting, card advantegous locker who wins game by himself should stay in banned list until something true planeswalker hosers are printed.
While this is true, Control should be more powerful. Right now, it is about as powerful as other decks and it has some crippling matchups. In other decks with crippling matchups like RG Tron, that deck's overall power-level is higher than the decks in the rest of the format. Maybe that should be applied to control decks as well.
Just so I am clear about where you stand, since you agreed with my post. You want Wotc to narrow the format by unbanning or printing new cards so control gets a boost? Because the problem with control is the number of viable decks in the format. Control can not prepare for all decks they might see.
It can still see play if they print stronger and more general options, compared to very narrow answers.
Well you seem to want Wotc to change their direction. Look at Standard and we see Wotc is moving away from catch all spells. I doubt Wotc will change its ways because a few control players want some more powerful spells in Modern. Those spells have to go through Standard dont forget.
While this is true, Control should be more powerful. Right now, it is about as powerful as other decks and it has some crippling matchups. In other decks with crippling matchups like RG Tron, that deck's overall power-level is higher than the decks in the rest of the format. Maybe that should be applied to control decks as well.
Just so I am clear about where you stand, since you agreed with my post. You want Wotc to narrow the format by unbanning or printing new cards so control gets a boost? Because the problem with control is the number of viable decks in the format. Control can not prepare for all decks they might see.
It can still see play if they print stronger and more general options, compared to very narrow answers.
Well you seem to want Wotc to change their direction. Look at Standard and we see Wotc is moving away from catch all spells. I doubt Wotc will change its ways because a few control players want some more powerful spells in Modern. Those spells have to go through Standard dont forget.
While this is true, Control should be more powerful. Right now, it is about as powerful as other decks and it has some crippling matchups. In other decks with crippling matchups like RG Tron, that deck's overall power-level is higher than the decks in the rest of the format. Maybe that should be applied to control decks as well.
Just so I am clear about where you stand, since you agreed with my post. You want Wotc to narrow the format by unbanning or printing new cards so control gets a boost? Because the problem with control is the number of viable decks in the format. Control can not prepare for all decks they might see.
It can still see play if they print stronger and more general options, compared to very narrow answers.
Well you seem to want Wotc to change their direction. Look at Standard and we see Wotc is moving away from catch all spells. I doubt Wotc will change its ways because a few control players want some more powerful spells in Modern. Those spells have to go through Standard dont forget.
Nah I just stated that more catch all spell will help control without narrowing the format. There are options other than what you are suggesting.
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While this is true, Control should be more powerful. Right now, it is about as powerful as other decks and it has some crippling matchups. In other decks with crippling matchups like RG Tron, that deck's overall power-level is higher than the decks in the rest of the format. Maybe that should be applied to control decks as well.
Just so I am clear about where you stand, since you agreed with my post. You want Wotc to narrow the format by unbanning or printing new cards so control gets a boost? Because the problem with control is the number of viable decks in the format. Control can not prepare for all decks they might see.
It can still see play if they print stronger and more general options, compared to very narrow answers.
Well you seem to want Wotc to change their direction. Look at Standard and we see Wotc is moving away from catch all spells. I doubt Wotc will change its ways because a few control players want some more powerful spells in Modern. Those spells have to go through Standard dont forget.
Nah I just stated that more catch all spell will help control without narrowing the format. There are options other than what you are suggesting.
I mean yes, Bolt, Helix, and Electrolyze are 'narrow' in the objective sense, but relatively speaking they're really not. Similarly for black with cards like Smother, Dismember, GftT, etc. Counterspells while narrow, are also fine imho. What control really needs is a way to provide consistent powerful CA which we really lack in modern. If they would unban AV, or reprint Fact or Fiction or say print a one-sided Vision Skeins, we would be talking.
Announcement will be at 12:00 AM Eastern/11:00 PM Central time. So only 5ish more hours to wait for Wizards to formally announce that nothing is changing. Well, then again, I wouldn't be surprised with a GGT unban; DRS got axed from the format and no graveyard strategies (short of Snappy strategies) have taken off. Indeed, they seem to have died off more than before the announcement. So GGT is sort of, maybe, possibly, (not really) something that might happen.
Ban every card with the word "copy" on it. Print counterspell in the core set. Aggro get less repressed without storm/twin, control gets are hard-counter, and standard players get to have more fun by being forced to play a LOT or blue for the next year. =]
While this is true, Control should be more powerful. Right now, it is about as powerful as other decks and it has some crippling matchups. In other decks with crippling matchups like RG Tron, that deck's overall power-level is higher than the decks in the rest of the format. Maybe that should be applied to control decks as well.
Just so I am clear about where you stand, since you agreed with my post. You want Wotc to narrow the format by unbanning or printing new cards so control gets a boost? Because the problem with control is the number of viable decks in the format. Control can not prepare for all decks they might see.
I don't think that it would narrow the format if control was viable. And even if it did narrow it a little, it still would have decks that could prey on it. If control was viable, we'd see decks that can fight it get stronger (like Tron). Then we'd see decks that can take out those decks like Twin and Affinity get stronger. As long as Control cannot beat Emrakul, it cannot be the dominant archetype for an extended period of time.
If Tron was 10-15% of the format you would definitely see Mindbreak Trap played a lot more (it is the answer to Emrakul and can be tutored with Mystical Teachings).
Even then, Control would have some issues. And you are forgetting that RG Tron can run Slaughter Games as an answer to control decks.
Jace is hard to answer in Legacy and I can't find what cards actually do even 'answer' Jace. I think that this very under costed, self-protecting, card advantegous locker who wins game by himself should stay in banned list until something true planeswalker hosers are printed.
He would also have to wait until a good plan for reprinting him exists. If he was unbanned without a large reprint happening soon, he would instantly become a $300 card. Azorius Midrange would easily become the most expensive deck in the format (8 blue fetchlands, 4 Snapcaster Mages, 4 Celestial Colonnades, 2 Cryptic Commands, and 3-4 Jaces).
Ban every card with the word "copy" on it. Print counterspell in the core set. Aggro get less repressed without storm/twin, control gets are hard-counter, and standard players get to have more fun by being forced to play a LOT or blue for the next year. =]
While this is true, Control should be more powerful. Right now, it is about as powerful as other decks and it has some crippling matchups. In other decks with crippling matchups like RG Tron, that deck's overall power-level is higher than the decks in the rest of the format. Maybe that should be applied to control decks as well.
Just so I am clear about where you stand, since you agreed with my post. You want Wotc to narrow the format by unbanning or printing new cards so control gets a boost? Because the problem with control is the number of viable decks in the format. Control can not prepare for all decks they might see.
I don't think that it would narrow the format if control was viable. And even if it did narrow it a little, it still would have decks that could prey on it. If control was viable, we'd see decks that can fight it get stronger (like Tron). Then we'd see decks that can take out those decks like Twin and Affinity get stronger. As long as Control cannot beat Emrakul, it cannot be the dominant archetype for an extended period of time.
If Tron was 10-15% of the format you would definitely see Mindbreak Trap played a lot more (it is the answer to Emrakul and can be tutored with Mystical Teachings).
Even then, Control would have some issues. And you are forgetting that RG Tron can run Slaughter Games as an answer to control decks.
Jace is hard to answer in Legacy and I can't find what cards actually do even 'answer' Jace. I think that this very under costed, self-protecting, card advantegous locker who wins game by himself should stay in banned list until something true planeswalker hosers are printed.
He would also have to wait until a good plan for reprinting him exists. If he was unbanned without a large reprint happening soon, he would instantly become a $300 card. Azorius Midrange would easily become the most expensive deck in the format (8 blue fetchlands, 4 Snapcaster Mages, 4 Celestial Colonnades, 2 Cryptic Commands, and 3-4 Jaces).
Ban every card with the word "copy" on it. Print counterspell in the core set. Aggro get less repressed without storm/twin, control gets are hard-counter, and standard players get to have more fun by being forced to play a LOT or blue for the next year. =]
Price is not an issue. Jund and BGx decks are still 2x the price of any other modern deck and would still be the most expensive even if Jace did come off the list.
While this is true, Control should be more powerful. Right now, it is about as powerful as other decks and it has some crippling matchups. In other decks with crippling matchups like RG Tron, that deck's overall power-level is higher than the decks in the rest of the format. Maybe that should be applied to control decks as well.
Just so I am clear about where you stand, since you agreed with my post. You want Wotc to narrow the format by unbanning or printing new cards so control gets a boost? Because the problem with control is the number of viable decks in the format. Control can not prepare for all decks they might see.
I don't think that it would narrow the format if control was viable. And even if it did narrow it a little, it still would have decks that could prey on it. If control was viable, we'd see decks that can fight it get stronger (like Tron). Then we'd see decks that can take out those decks like Twin and Affinity get stronger. As long as Control cannot beat Emrakul, it cannot be the dominant archetype for an extended period of time.
If Tron was 10-15% of the format you would definitely see Mindbreak Trap played a lot more (it is the answer to Emrakul and can be tutored with Mystical Teachings).
Even then, Control would have some issues. And you are forgetting that RG Tron can run Slaughter Games as an answer to control decks.
Jace is hard to answer in Legacy and I can't find what cards actually do even 'answer' Jace. I think that this very under costed, self-protecting, card advantegous locker who wins game by himself should stay in banned list until something true planeswalker hosers are printed.
He would also have to wait until a good plan for reprinting him exists. If he was unbanned without a large reprint happening soon, he would instantly become a $300 card. Azorius Midrange would easily become the most expensive deck in the format (8 blue fetchlands, 4 Snapcaster Mages, 4 Celestial Colonnades, 2 Cryptic Commands, and 3-4 Jaces).
Ban every card with the word "copy" on it. Print counterspell in the core set. Aggro get less repressed without storm/twin, control gets are hard-counter, and standard players get to have more fun by being forced to play a LOT or blue for the next year. =]
Price is not an issue. Jund and BGx decks are still 2x the price of any other modern deck and would still be the most expensive even if Jace did come off the list.
Actually, I think that Tarmo-Twin is currently the most expensive Modern deck (4 Snapcaster Mages, 8 blue fetchlands, 2 Cryptic Commands, 0-2 Vendilion Cliques, 4 Snapcaster Mages, 4 Splinter Twins, 4 Tarmogoyfs). And even if BGx would still be more expensive, why does that mean that it doesn't matter if blue-based midrange and control decks all become that expensive? BGx and Tarmo-Twin are viewed as too expensive by almost everyone. No other deck should get that expensive.
While this is true, Control should be more powerful. Right now, it is about as powerful as other decks and it has some crippling matchups. In other decks with crippling matchups like RG Tron, that deck's overall power-level is higher than the decks in the rest of the format. Maybe that should be applied to control decks as well.
Just so I am clear about where you stand, since you agreed with my post. You want Wotc to narrow the format by unbanning or printing new cards so control gets a boost? Because the problem with control is the number of viable decks in the format. Control can not prepare for all decks they might see.
It can still see play if they print stronger and more general options, compared to very narrow answers.
Well you seem to want Wotc to change their direction. Look at Standard and we see Wotc is moving away from catch all spells. I doubt Wotc will change its ways because a few control players want some more powerful spells in Modern. Those spells have to go through Standard dont forget.
*moving away FOR BLUE. Fixed that for ya.
No format should be dominated by any one color. The move they have made has made blue just another color in Magic, instead of THE color in Magic.
While this is true, Control should be more powerful. Right now, it is about as powerful as other decks and it has some crippling matchups. In other decks with crippling matchups like RG Tron, that deck's overall power-level is higher than the decks in the rest of the format. Maybe that should be applied to control decks as well.
Just so I am clear about where you stand, since you agreed with my post. You want Wotc to narrow the format by unbanning or printing new cards so control gets a boost? Because the problem with control is the number of viable decks in the format. Control can not prepare for all decks they might see.
It can still see play if they print stronger and more general options, compared to very narrow answers.
Well you seem to want Wotc to change their direction. Look at Standard and we see Wotc is moving away from catch all spells. I doubt Wotc will change its ways because a few control players want some more powerful spells in Modern. Those spells have to go through Standard dont forget.
*moving away FOR BLUE. Fixed that for ya.
No format should be dominated by any one color. The move they have made has made blue just another color in Magic, instead of THE color in Magic.
I would say the same thing about any other color.
It is better to have color imbalance than archetype imbalance, which is what Modern currently has.
Well, I was hoping for something to change, anything really. Even just allowing GGT off would have been a nice gesture. Bleh. Well here's hoping the next update (will it be with Conspiracy or M15?) will allow for the format to become more balanced among the archetypes.
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It's the reasons why UW/x Control in Standard is so good. Because between Detention Sphere, Supreme Verdict, counterspells, spot removal and their planeswalkers they can deal with literally anything.
While printing more universal answers is hard to do for a non-rotating format is would be a big boon. BG got Abrupt Decay for example. Where is the blue control variant of such a spell for example? You could argue that Detention Sphere is supposed to be that spell but it comes with the big downside of being removable.
I don't think that it would narrow the format if control was viable. And even if it did narrow it a little, it still would have decks that could prey on it. If control was viable, we'd see decks that can fight it get stronger (like Tron). Then we'd see decks that can take out those decks like Twin and Affinity get stronger. As long as Control cannot beat Emrakul, it cannot be the dominant archetype for an extended period of time.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
If Tron was 10-15% of the format you would definitely see Mindbreak Trap played a lot more (it is the answer to Emrakul and can be tutored with Mystical Teachings).
Modern
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Well you seem to want Wotc to change their direction. Look at Standard and we see Wotc is moving away from catch all spells. I doubt Wotc will change its ways because a few control players want some more powerful spells in Modern. Those spells have to go through Standard dont forget.
*moving away FOR BLUE. Fixed that for ya.
Nah I just stated that more catch all spell will help control without narrowing the format. There are options other than what you are suggesting.
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CEldrazi C
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I mean yes, Bolt, Helix, and Electrolyze are 'narrow' in the objective sense, but relatively speaking they're really not. Similarly for black with cards like Smother, Dismember, GftT, etc. Counterspells while narrow, are also fine imho. What control really needs is a way to provide consistent powerful CA which we really lack in modern. If they would unban AV, or reprint Fact or Fiction or say print a one-sided Vision Skeins, we would be talking.
Announcement will be at 12:00 AM Eastern/11:00 PM Central time. So only 5ish more hours to wait for Wizards to formally announce that nothing is changing. Well, then again, I wouldn't be surprised with a GGT unban; DRS got axed from the format and no graveyard strategies (short of Snappy strategies) have taken off. Indeed, they seem to have died off more than before the announcement. So GGT is sort of, maybe, possibly, (not really) something that might happen.
U Tron
GW Bogles
RG Loam
UR Blue Breach
RBU Grixis Goryo
BRU Grixis Delver
GBR Jund
GBW Junk
Active Legacy Decks
BR Reanimator
Even then, Control would have some issues. And you are forgetting that RG Tron can run Slaughter Games as an answer to control decks.
He would also have to wait until a good plan for reprinting him exists. If he was unbanned without a large reprint happening soon, he would instantly become a $300 card. Azorius Midrange would easily become the most expensive deck in the format (8 blue fetchlands, 4 Snapcaster Mages, 4 Celestial Colonnades, 2 Cryptic Commands, and 3-4 Jaces).
What did Clone ever do to you?
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Price is not an issue. Jund and BGx decks are still 2x the price of any other modern deck and would still be the most expensive even if Jace did come off the list.
Actually, I think that Tarmo-Twin is currently the most expensive Modern deck (4 Snapcaster Mages, 8 blue fetchlands, 2 Cryptic Commands, 0-2 Vendilion Cliques, 4 Snapcaster Mages, 4 Splinter Twins, 4 Tarmogoyfs). And even if BGx would still be more expensive, why does that mean that it doesn't matter if blue-based midrange and control decks all become that expensive? BGx and Tarmo-Twin are viewed as too expensive by almost everyone. No other deck should get that expensive.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Yep, nothing changed though. Sucks, I was ready to pull the trigger on a few cards.
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/297
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Me too. I had Amazon ready to go to make sure that I didn't lose out like I did with Bitterblossom.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Modern.
GBW Junk
GBR Jund
UG Infect
No format should be dominated by any one color. The move they have made has made blue just another color in Magic, instead of THE color in Magic.
I would say the same thing about any other color.
It is better to have color imbalance than archetype imbalance, which is what Modern currently has.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.