He doesn't see play in modern. For 4 mana its often better to just cast Gifts ungiven or something since you rarely will get good value +ing him a bunch.
He's solid. People should playtest cards before writing them off instantly.
No, he is not used in any pro-player top 8 GP deck list, so he is automatically unplayable.
On all seriouness, Jace +1 is quite underwhelming in modern, For most cases i would prefer Jace beleren, he can -1 three times without a +, and even his +2 draw cards (althought don't generate CA). You can +2 him, then you can -1 him 5 times if he is left unchecked. Not to mention that beleren cost 3. I've played with him on standard, and i didn't feel he is the strongest there, and there his +1 is far more relevant.
Jace looses utility in modern. his +1 isn't nearly as good as it is in standard because of the lack of creature based aggro. I could see him see play in some sort of midrange deck with blue (perhaps BUG?) but the deck just hasn't presented itself yet. I think he quite possibly is a modern quality card but hes not a card you can just throw into a modern deck and call it over.
Patrick Chapin played one copy of it in his Grixis control deck for GP Detroit. He originally tried out Jace Beleren but decided to play Jace, Architect of Thought over it.
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Patrick Chapin played one copy of it in his Grixis control deck for GP Detroit. He originally tried out Jace Beleren but decided to play Jace, Architect of Thought over it.
The presence of Abrupt Decay in the format creates an inherent disadvantage in 3 cmc permanents.
Jace looses utility in modern. his +1 isn't nearly as good as it is in standard because of the lack of creature based aggro. I could see him see play in some sort of midrange deck with blue (perhaps BUG?) but the deck just hasn't presented itself yet. I think he quite possibly is a modern quality card but hes not a card you can just throw into a modern deck and call it over.
The +1 actually seems strong against Splinter Twin, since it makes infinite Deciever Exarchs useless. It also seems solid against Affinity.
The +1 is more useful than it looks at first glance. It makes it harder to get rid of Jace. Even if you just drop him and -2, then next turn they swing at it you still come out ahead.
Also, Jace laughs at Lingering souls, and makes 2/x's much worse.
Hes also an aamzing response or topdeck after your opponent has Lilianan, because you're drawing 2 cards from him, usually, and if there is an empty board (not uncommon in the Jund UWR matchup, IME,) then you're coming out way ahead, plus it digs to the answers for liliana too...
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The trouble with Jace AOT is that his +1 is quasi-dead too often (opponent has too many 2+/X's, opponent has no creatures and nothing with Flash in hand), and his card draw being a -2 (well, a minus ability) and leaving him easily taken down by attackers or burn doesn't help. It feels fairly yucky to me that Chandra, Pyromaster can protect herself better than Jace AOT can from my experience (lonely Tiago/V. Clique/Pestermite/Bob/Lavamancer/etc. are more common than 1/X swarms, Chandra can actually take down a lonely Elspeth or Sorin 2.0 alone).
The trouble with Jace AOT is that his +1 is quasi-dead too often (opponent has too many 2+/X's, opponent has no creatures and nothing with Flash in hand), and his card draw being a -2 (well, a minus ability) and leaving him easily taken down by attackers or burn doesn't help. It feels fairly yucky to me that Chandra, Pyromaster can protect herself better than Jace AOT can from my experience (lonely Tiago/V. Clique/Pestermite/Bob/Lavamancer/etc. are more common than 1/X swarms, Chandra can actually take down a lonely Elspeth or Sorin 2.0 alone).
If Jace's +1 isn't being used, it means there are no creatures to threaten him if he -2's. If it is you are neutralizing a threat, or making it weaker. If -2 is being used, attackers aren't really a problem and if your opponent is wasting burn on him you're reaping card advantage. You are also digging for an answer that Chandra won't necessarily be giving you. Chandra's +1 in a lot scenarios is not as strong as Jace's would be.
He's great against fair decks, and in conjunction with Gideon and Ajani he can create a near lock. Unfortunately, against any of the unfair decks he's pretty terrible.
Againbst the unfair decks he still digs for disruption. Yeah 4 mana at sorcery speed is a lot, but hell JTMS would be bad vs unfair decks too. (cuz no free counters)
The only walker thats actually good against unfair decks is lilaina, because she does something they care about (make them discard).
So saying unfair decks are keeping him down is just stating a fact about 90% of PWs in general.
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So saying unfair decks are keeping him down is just stating a fact about 90% of PWs in general.
This basically sums it up perfectly. There a lot of things I just don't care about before combo'ing off, except discard and counters. Whatever PW you have can just sit there and watch me "go plaid."
I'll try out Jace, heck, I still main Tamiyo despite what a majority pro players think.
If Jace's +1 isn't being used, it means there are no creatures to threaten him if he -2's. If it is you are neutralizing a threat, or making it weaker. If -2 is being used, attackers aren't really a problem and if your opponent is wasting burn on him you're reaping card advantage. You are also digging for an answer that Chandra won't necessarily be giving you. Chandra's +1 in a lot scenarios is not as strong as Jace's would be.
Against decks where Jace AOT's +1 is dead, I tend to -2, then +1, then -2 or +1, etc. Maybe I prefer keeping Jace AOT around a little too much, but Jace AOT either consuming dead turns or killing himself early leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
If his +1 won't absorb most of the damage (such as against a lone Goyf), I tend to -2 and cry.
Against decks with no pressure (UWR) I just plus him, over and over, until they try to burn him out when he gets to like 6 or 7 counters. Then I just assume massive card advantage by -2ing repeatedly.
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Against decks with no pressure (UWR) I just plus him, over and over, until they try to burn him out when he gets to like 6 or 7 counters. Then I just assume massive card advantage by -2ing repeatedly.
Or you could play Knight-Errant and just kill them...Elspeth is criminally underplayed imho.
I think the card is good enough to see some fringe play. Obviously worse than say, Jace, the Mind Sculptor, but Jace, Architect of Thought isn't all that far off in the library manipulation department -- when we're only looking at his digging ability. If we constrain it to just 1-2 activations, they're about on par with each other.*
It's no Jace Brainstorm, but his -2...activating it even just once or twice is worth the cost of playing him, IMO.
His +1 is a little bipolar, 4cmc, and prone to being overrun holds him back a bit. But I think Jace 4.0 has enough going for him that he can slot in as a 1-2-of in some control lists.
*disclaimer: I by no means am saying Architect of Thought is just as good/better than Mind Sculptor, just that I feel like Architect of Thought gets a little too much flak and a tad underrated.
Reprints the one card that people point to when saying that art objectifies women.
Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
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As an esper gift player, from firsthand experience that Jace, AOT is really strong. It dodges abrupt decay, digs 3 cards deep, has a game winning ultimate (I generally use him as a fact or fiction, but I had to add this somewhere), and his +1 ability can buy you time, which can be very good in control decks. Overall, I think he is an underrated card that deserves more credit than he gets.
I was told recently this guy was seeing play in Modern.
What decks/how/what's his role etc
He's solid. People should playtest cards before writing them off instantly.
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On all seriouness, Jace +1 is quite underwhelming in modern, For most cases i would prefer Jace beleren, he can -1 three times without a +, and even his +2 draw cards (althought don't generate CA). You can +2 him, then you can -1 him 5 times if he is left unchecked. Not to mention that beleren cost 3. I've played with him on standard, and i didn't feel he is the strongest there, and there his +1 is far more relevant.
The presence of Abrupt Decay in the format creates an inherent disadvantage in 3 cmc permanents.
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Jace, AoT digs deeper, too.
I think that's worth noting.
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The +1 actually seems strong against Splinter Twin, since it makes infinite Deciever Exarchs useless. It also seems solid against Affinity.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Hes also an aamzing response or topdeck after your opponent has Lilianan, because you're drawing 2 cards from him, usually, and if there is an empty board (not uncommon in the Jund UWR matchup, IME,) then you're coming out way ahead, plus it digs to the answers for liliana too...
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If Jace's +1 isn't being used, it means there are no creatures to threaten him if he -2's. If it is you are neutralizing a threat, or making it weaker. If -2 is being used, attackers aren't really a problem and if your opponent is wasting burn on him you're reaping card advantage. You are also digging for an answer that Chandra won't necessarily be giving you. Chandra's +1 in a lot scenarios is not as strong as Jace's would be.
The only walker thats actually good against unfair decks is lilaina, because she does something they care about (make them discard).
So saying unfair decks are keeping him down is just stating a fact about 90% of PWs in general.
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This basically sums it up perfectly. There a lot of things I just don't care about before combo'ing off, except discard and counters. Whatever PW you have can just sit there and watch me "go plaid."
I'll try out Jace, heck, I still main Tamiyo despite what a majority pro players think.
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Against decks where Jace AOT's +1 is dead, I tend to -2, then +1, then -2 or +1, etc. Maybe I prefer keeping Jace AOT around a little too much, but Jace AOT either consuming dead turns or killing himself early leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
If his +1 won't absorb most of the damage (such as against a lone Goyf), I tend to -2 and cry.
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Or you could play Knight-Errant and just kill them...Elspeth is criminally underplayed imho.
It's no Jace Brainstorm, but his -2...activating it even just once or twice is worth the cost of playing him, IMO.
His +1 is a little bipolar, 4cmc, and prone to being overrun holds him back a bit. But I think Jace 4.0 has enough going for him that he can slot in as a 1-2-of in some control lists.
*disclaimer: I by no means am saying Architect of Thought is just as good/better than Mind Sculptor, just that I feel like Architect of Thought gets a little too much flak and a tad underrated.
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