Playing U/B control, I have found Pack Rat to be better as a Sideboard card. I bring it in against UWR Decks Where post board removal is gone, or at least mass removal is gone. Since its a control mirror, normally the first few lands come into play tapped, so you can get it under normal counter spells, and since your playing black, you have access to discard to protect it against the early removal if they have it. They leave some in for creeping tar pit,
I tried it main board, and hated it. I feel it has the same role as geist in URW decks as a way to steal games against an unprepared opponent. clocking fast and being hard to deal with
It's well placed against all the maindeck removal in Modern, but there's some very strong answers to it in the format that will hate it out if it ever really takes off (Echoing Truth, Maelstrom Pulse, Engineered Explosives, Bile Blight, Sudden Death, Ensnaring Bridge - all cards that are playable but not seeing much play in the present meta).
Rat is also very well placed alongside Liliana of the Veil, the best planeswalker in Modern, who strips your opponent's hand forcing them to use any cards that blow out Rat earlier rather than at maximum efficiency, and whose +1 is all upside when you are feeding your whole hand to Rat.
The main issue is that Modern is faster than Standard. Thoughtseize into Rat into Rat token into Rat token does not cut it in Modern.
I dont have premium but Sam Black is brewing with the rats and fae (like people are doing on MODO), i think we have yet to see the role of Pack Rat in modern...
There we go, Dark confidant is the final piece of the puzzle in my opinion.
Could even theoretically go monoblack maybe, some kind of rack deck or something.
Basic deck plan is T1 hand disruption, T2 stick something that needs to be answered NOW or your opponent starts losing.
Bob + Bitterblossom + Pack rat. Any of those T2 is a serious threat that will make it hard to win if you let it stick around for a turn or 2, by then they will draw another threat.
Id say go UB, giving us some card draw to protect our threat? Spell pierce, Spell Snare, Remand, Mana Leak, Snapcaster of course, maybe 1 or 2 spellstutter sprites...
I wish I had bitterblossoms on mtgo or Id try it out. I have everything except bobs in paper though, thats next on my checklist of cards to hunt down, but its so pricey to get a playset
The deck would want to run liliana too, thats for sure. Could splash green for scavanging ooze too, or stick to UB and run cliques.
I think dismember is a terribad card choice with bob, we want to be running the new dismember 2.0 that plays way better with bob, Ulcerate
Dings you for 2 less damage on the draw. If you intend to cast dismember for its full cost then it is worth it, but there are way way better 3 cmc kill spells to run.
I want to give Pack rat a try in modern merfolk as a one or two of. Merfolk already play a full set of Vial and Mutavault, and can turn excess lands and vials into rats.
Here is a scenario: You have Mutavault, Island and Darkslick Shores in play. You have an active Aether Vial set on two.
In hand you have another Aether Vial, Pack Rat and Vapor Snag.
Opponent has killed your fishes so far, and tapped out to play Lilliana and edict your last fish.
End of opponents turn, you Vial in rat and discard a vial to make another rat.
Now you are free to activate Mutavault and attack for 9 with your 3 rats. In the case of Maelstrom Pulse or Damantion,
you can Snag your own Rat and do it all over again.
I really like the card in 8rack, bw token, jund, abzan, deadguy ale or any black grindy deck It is a good card and a serious cancer once it hits the field.
Also: it isa good budget alternative to goyf for a beggining player in modern to play jund and junk. A really underplayed pearl IMO.
(no it does not replace goyf, I know guys, plz dont start this)
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Primary Decks:
Modern: Esper Draw-Go
Legacy: RUG Lands
EDH: Sidisi turn-3 storm
Pack Rat + Dark Confidant its the key for make a pack rats deck viable
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Modern: RW R/W Burn WB B/W TokensXU MonuU Tron // UWX UW Tron R GoblinsW Soul SistersRWG Small ZooWUR WUR Geist/Control/Kiki-Resto Combo/NahiriUR Splinter Twin (90% Japanese)/ Grixis TwinRUB UR Delver / Grixis Delver UR Blue MoonBWU Ad NauseamWDeath and TaxesRUB Grixis ControlUMerfolksX Affinity RGB Living End UR Storm/PiF Combo RGX R/G TRON GWU Bant Eldrazi BW Eldrazi and Taxes RUBGoryos Vengeance UB Faeries Legacy:BRx Renimator Playing right now:Standard: Jeskai Control Modern; GoryosVengeance/UBFaeries/Affinity Legacy: BRx Reanimator Pauper: UR Drake (banned) Commander: Merieke Ri Berit Esper
Pack rat can win games on its own, which makes it a completely viable modern card. It's best with some card draw, so add in bobs and phyrexian arena. I tinkered with a pack rat, tasigur, training grounds deck that at times was unstoppable, other times merely pedestrian. The potential is there. Travis Woo has vids of a pack rat/relentless rats online right now that is interesting.
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Modern UB Tezzerator UBW Gifts B 8Rack
Legacy RB Goblins
We play BW midrange deck (aka deadguy ale) who play 4x Pack Rats widout any doubt. Ofc is not a card who can be played in all black decks, but with our strategy is the perfect wincon. I know a lot of people who can't belive at his eyes loosing from it and i'm really enjoing make it shine in the format!
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My Decks on Paper: UWR Control/Midrange/Delver UWR Twin Miss you GBWJunk (still semi-budget; 3 tarmo only) GWAura Hexproof GWHatebears
Pack Rat has always been good enough to see play to be honest. I'm just patiently waiting for wizards to give me another rat that is decent so I can run this cards with Swarmyard.
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I tried it main board, and hated it. I feel it has the same role as geist in URW decks as a way to steal games against an unprepared opponent. clocking fast and being hard to deal with
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Rat is also very well placed alongside Liliana of the Veil, the best planeswalker in Modern, who strips your opponent's hand forcing them to use any cards that blow out Rat earlier rather than at maximum efficiency, and whose +1 is all upside when you are feeding your whole hand to Rat.
The main issue is that Modern is faster than Standard. Thoughtseize into Rat into Rat token into Rat token does not cut it in Modern.
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Could even theoretically go monoblack maybe, some kind of rack deck or something.
Basic deck plan is T1 hand disruption, T2 stick something that needs to be answered NOW or your opponent starts losing.
Bob + Bitterblossom + Pack rat. Any of those T2 is a serious threat that will make it hard to win if you let it stick around for a turn or 2, by then they will draw another threat.
Id say go UB, giving us some card draw to protect our threat? Spell pierce, Spell Snare, Remand, Mana Leak, Snapcaster of course, maybe 1 or 2 spellstutter sprites...
I wish I had bitterblossoms on mtgo or Id try it out. I have everything except bobs in paper though, thats next on my checklist of cards to hunt down, but its so pricey to get a playset
The deck would want to run liliana too, thats for sure. Could splash green for scavanging ooze too, or stick to UB and run cliques.
I think dismember is a terribad card choice with bob, we want to be running the new dismember 2.0 that plays way better with bob, Ulcerate
Dings you for 2 less damage on the draw. If you intend to cast dismember for its full cost then it is worth it, but there are way way better 3 cmc kill spells to run.
I think Id go for a mix of smother and ulcerate.
UB without green splash:
4 pack rat
4 Dark Confidant
4 Bitterblossom
3 snapcaster mage
2 Thoughtseize
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Lilliana of the Veil
Instants: 11
2 smother
2 ulcerate
3 spell snare
3 spell pierce
2 mana leak
Very potent methinks.
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
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Here is a scenario: You have Mutavault, Island and Darkslick Shores in play. You have an active Aether Vial set on two.
In hand you have another Aether Vial, Pack Rat and Vapor Snag.
Opponent has killed your fishes so far, and tapped out to play Lilliana and edict your last fish.
End of opponents turn, you Vial in rat and discard a vial to make another rat.
Now you are free to activate Mutavault and attack for 9 with your 3 rats. In the case of Maelstrom Pulse or Damantion,
you can Snag your own Rat and do it all over again.
Also: it isa good budget alternative to goyf for a beggining player in modern to play jund and junk. A really underplayed pearl IMO.
(no it does not replace goyf, I know guys, plz dont start this)
Yes, I am a local area mod.WELP. GOOD LIFE CHANGES ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE AND SOME ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVEPrimary Decks:
Modern: Esper Draw-Go
Legacy: RUG Lands
EDH: Sidisi turn-3 storm
RW R/W Burn WB B/W TokensXU MonuU Tron // UWX UW Tron
R GoblinsW Soul SistersRWG Small ZooWUR WUR Geist/Control/Kiki-Resto Combo/NahiriUR Splinter Twin (90% Japanese)/ Grixis TwinRUB UR Delver / Grixis Delver UR Blue MoonBWU Ad NauseamWDeath and TaxesRUB Grixis ControlUMerfolksX Affinity RGB Living End UR Storm/PiF Combo RGX R/G TRON GWU Bant Eldrazi BW Eldrazi and Taxes RUBGoryos Vengeance UB Faeries
Legacy:BRx Renimator
Playing right now: Standard: Jeskai Control Modern; GoryosVengeance/UBFaeries/Affinity Legacy: BRx Reanimator Pauper: UR Drake (banned) Commander: Merieke Ri Berit Esper
UB Tezzerator
UBW Gifts
B 8Rack
Legacy
RB Goblins
Agree
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We play BW midrange deck (aka deadguy ale) who play 4x Pack Rats widout any doubt. Ofc is not a card who can be played in all black decks, but with our strategy is the perfect wincon. I know a lot of people who can't belive at his eyes loosing from it and i'm really enjoing make it shine in the format!
UWR Control/Midrange/Delver
UWR TwinMiss youGBWJunk (still semi-budget; 3 tarmo only)
GWAura Hexproof
GWHatebears
UWR Control/Midrange/Delver
UWR TwinMiss youGBWJunk (still semi-budget; 3 tarmo only)
GWAura Hexproof
GWHatebears
Decks I'm playing in Modern right now:
URB Grixis Reveler (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-grixis-reveler/)
UB Faeries (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/ub-fae-2/)
UW Azorious Control (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-ojutai-control-2/)
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