We call the GBW shard Junk, does it have any actual name? I checked the wiki but it does not list very many shards. Dega and Grixis are missing from that list for example.
Simply put, what are all of the shards called or where is a link to a complete list?
We call the GBW shard Junk, does it have any actual name? I checked the wiki but it does not list very many shards. Dega and Grixis are missing from that list for example.
Simply put, what are all of the shards called or where is a link to a complete list?
I don't believe any of the wedge "shards" have official names, yet. As far as I know, the only official shards are Bant, Grixis, Esper, Jund and Naya.
I think most people call the wedges by these names:
UWR: American
BUG: BUG
BWG: Junk
RUG: RUG
And I have heard RBW be called "Aristocrats colors" a few times by standard players, as well as the obvious "Red white black", and most commonly, "Borzhov".
I think most people call the wedges by these names:
UWR: American
I cannot tell you how much that bothers me. RWU (the correct order) is one of the most common three color combinations for national flags, and are by no means ubiquitously American.
And I have heard RBW be called "Aristocrats colors" a few times by standard players, as well as the obvious "Red white black", and most commonly, "Borzhov".
If you look in the Modern and Standard deck forums Dega has been pretty well established as the name for these colors, though early in Modern the WBR deck was called Team Egypt (again with the national colors...oy!).
Dega comes from Apocalypse, and are most evident by the 'volver cycle.
I'm from Australia and I've always called UWR either blue-white-red (lol) or Patriot (avoiding the country debate hopefully), most people I know call it patriot.
I'm from Australia and I've always called UWR either blue-white-red (lol) or Patriot (avoiding the country debate hopefully), most people I know call it patriot.
Patriot is better (IMO), but I am with you in that I prefer RWU since it is perfectly descriptive.
I'm from Australia and I've always called UWR either blue-white-red (lol) or Patriot (avoiding the country debate hopefully), most people I know call it patriot.
Patriot is better (IMO), but I am with you in that I prefer RWU since it is perfectly descriptive.
See, I call it either Samoan Mid-Range/Control or North Korean Mid-Range/Control since they have red white and blue flags too. Samoan just makes people think about Girl Scout Cookies, causing them to let their guard down, and North Korea scares the hell out of them.
I've also just mentioned Girl Scouts and North Korea in one post, so I've probably met some new criteria for ending up on a watch list.
What I never got is why it is called UWR instead of WUR. The order of the color pie, if you start with white, would go like that, and it is easier to say. It just makes more sense.
that's some good **** right there, I think i have a new name for my dega deck concepts haha. I really can't wait for them to actually do a wedge based set so they can have slightly more official names.
What I never got is why it is called UWR instead of WUR. The order of the color pie, if you start with white, would go like that, and it is easier to say. It just makes more sense.
Well, you know, WUR sounds like durr, and I'd guess someone would eventually find reason to take offense to it.
Well I suppose my answer is somewhat influenced by that's what people in the stores around me call them. I'm sure people don't call it American in the UK, for example. I just don't live there.
Anyways the only official names are those from Apocalypse, obviously. Junk is obviously very established, but the others have lots of variation.
The words shards only really apply to the 5 from Alara... Jund, Grixis, Esper, Naya, and Bant. I'm assuming that Junk is just the real name, someone named it and it stuck. And the real name for all color combinations is just... saying all the colors.
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What I never got is why it is called UWR instead of WUR. The order of the color pie, if you start with white, would go like that, and it is easier to say. It just makes more sense.
I think it is because of the nature of the deck. UW is a long established acronym for blue white control shells. You do not see many UW decks in modern however. UWR was originally UWr - a spin off of UW.
What I never got is why it is called UWR instead of WUR. The order of the color pie, if you start with white, would go like that, and it is easier to say. It just makes more sense.
I think it is because of the nature of the deck. UW is a long established acronym for blue white control shells. You do not see many UW decks in modern however. UWR was originally UWr - a spin off of UW.
As I mentioned before, the actual order (as printed on MTG cards) is RWU. See Lightning Angel. Also, the link that storied_hero gave has this to say:
"Our current (and final!) system for ordering mana symbols is pretty simple. If you look at the back of a Magic card, you'll see the pentagon of colors. Going clockwise, the colors are white, blue, black, red, green, white, blue, black . . . . To order a pair of mana symbols, find them in that list, and then put them in whichever order puts the fewest colors between them. For example, white/red has two colors in the middle (blue and black), but red/white has only one (green). That's why Goblin Legionnaire's mana cost is RW.
"Then came the Apocalypse 'wedge' cards. Our system breaks down when you're trying to order two friendly colors and their common enemy, and Apocalypse has five rares with mana costs that fall into that category. For Lightning Angel's mana cost, 1 RWU and 1 WUR are equally valid options. In the end, I decided to put the enemy color pair first.
If I am ever in doubt about the order I just look it up in gatherer.
As I mentioned before, the actual order (as printed on MTG cards) is RWU. See Lightning Angel. Also, the link that storied_hero gave has this to say:
If I am ever in doubt about the order I just look it up in gatherer.
Yeah but nobody actually says or types RWU. You always see and hear it referred to as UWR. I make a lot of videos and I actually say "U White R" out loud.
I dont really care what what wizards puts on their cards since that has nothing to do with how easy it is to refer to a deck. Check out the Established and Proven subforum thread titles for all the proof you need.
As I mentioned before, the actual order (as printed on MTG cards) is RWU. See Lightning Angel. Also, the link that storied_hero gave has this to say:
"Our current (and final!) system for ordering mana symbols is pretty simple. If you look at the back of a Magic card, you'll see the pentagon of colors. Going clockwise, the colors are white, blue, black, red, green, white, blue, black . . . . To order a pair of mana symbols, find them in that list, and then put them in whichever order puts the fewest colors between them. For example, white/red has two colors in the middle (blue and black), but red/white has only one (green). That's why Goblin Legionnaire's mana cost is rw.
"Then came the Apocalypse 'wedge' cards. Our system breaks down when you're trying to order two friendly colors and their common enemy, and Apocalypse has five rares with mana costs that fall into that category. For Lightning Angel's mana cost, 1 rwu and 1 wur are equally valid options. In the end, I decided to put the enemy color pair first.
If I am ever in doubt about the order I just look it up in gatherer.
Thanks. I always assumed that it went in the order of WUBRG and went to pronounceable names whenever it was possible (WUR, BUG, RUG).
Yeah but nobody actually says or types RWU. You always see and hear it referred to as UWR. I make a lot of videos and I actually say "U White R" out loud.
I dont really care what what wizards puts on their cards since that has nothing to do with how easy it is to refer to a deck. Check out the Established and Proven subforum thread titles for all the proof you need.
Really? U White R makes no sense. You could just say WUR, American, Patriot, Red White Blue, or something that doesn't make it seem like you are too lazy to say red and blue.
Yeah but nobody actually says or types RWU. You always see and hear it referred to as UWR. I make a lot of videos and I actually say "U White R" out loud.
Really? "U White R" rolls off your tongue more naturally than "Red, White, and Blue"? Ya know...the way and order that your country's flag is described? You are quite the contrarian. How dare I use the established printed order rather than the loose opinions of some people on the internet.
Because it has never stuck, and (IMO) Necra feels too black, and not at all white and green in general. BGW does not actually have a name in the same sense that Jund and Simic do, and technically neither does WBR. It is just that there was a poorly remembered cycle during apocalypse that applied a term to a loosely three color card and for some reason it stuck with Dega. MaRo has said that when they do a wedge set whey will almost certainly not use those prefixes.
And when did Junk become different from Rock?
The Rock was a BG deck, and only started blurring into white during the Doran Rock period. Now Junk has been separated off to refer to BGW, and I assumed (though this is not confirmed) that it was called that because BGW decks tend naturally towards goodstuff utility decks so rather than conscious synergy it is a bunch of "junk".
I assumed (though this is not confirmed) that it was called that because BGW decks tend naturally towards goodstuff utility decks so rather than conscious synergy it is a bunch of "junk".
Huh. That actually makes sense. I did wonder why on earth they labelled that colour combination as ‘Junk’.
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Simply put, what are all of the shards called or where is a link to a complete list?
I don't believe any of the wedge "shards" have official names, yet. As far as I know, the only official shards are Bant, Grixis, Esper, Jund and Naya.
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Ceta - URG
Dega - WBR
Ana - GBU
Raka - RWU
They aren't really official names, just cycles of cards based around the wedge colors in Apocalypse.
UWR: American
BUG: BUG
BWG: Junk
RUG: RUG
And I have heard RBW be called "Aristocrats colors" a few times by standard players, as well as the obvious "Red white black", and most commonly, "Borzhov".
If you look in the Modern and Standard deck forums Dega has been pretty well established as the name for these colors, though early in Modern the WBR deck was called Team Egypt (again with the national colors...oy!).
Dega comes from Apocalypse, and are most evident by the 'volver cycle.
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See, I call it either Samoan Mid-Range/Control or North Korean Mid-Range/Control since they have red white and blue flags too. Samoan just makes people think about Girl Scout Cookies, causing them to let their guard down, and North Korea scares the hell out of them.
I've also just mentioned Girl Scouts and North Korea in one post, so I've probably met some new criteria for ending up on a watch list.
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Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
that's some good **** right there, I think i have a new name for my dega deck concepts haha. I really can't wait for them to actually do a wedge based set so they can have slightly more official names.
Well, you know, WUR sounds like durr, and I'd guess someone would eventually find reason to take offense to it.
Anyways the only official names are those from Apocalypse, obviously. Junk is obviously very established, but the others have lots of variation.
I think it is because of the nature of the deck. UW is a long established acronym for blue white control shells. You do not see many UW decks in modern however. UWR was originally UWr - a spin off of UW.
Just something I found interesting...the second question is about the ordering of the mana symbols.
As I mentioned before, the actual order (as printed on MTG cards) is RWU. See Lightning Angel. Also, the link that storied_hero gave has this to say:
If I am ever in doubt about the order I just look it up in gatherer.
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Yeah but nobody actually says or types RWU. You always see and hear it referred to as UWR. I make a lot of videos and I actually say "U White R" out loud.
I dont really care what what wizards puts on their cards since that has nothing to do with how easy it is to refer to a deck. Check out the Established and Proven subforum thread titles for all the proof you need.
Why do ppl call it junk? Necra is so much cooler.
And when did Junk become different from Rock?
Thanks. I always assumed that it went in the order of WUBRG and went to pronounceable names whenever it was possible (WUR, BUG, RUG).
Really? U White R makes no sense. You could just say WUR, American, Patriot, Red White Blue, or something that doesn't make it seem like you are too lazy to say red and blue.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Because it has never stuck, and (IMO) Necra feels too black, and not at all white and green in general. BGW does not actually have a name in the same sense that Jund and Simic do, and technically neither does WBR. It is just that there was a poorly remembered cycle during apocalypse that applied a term to a loosely three color card and for some reason it stuck with Dega. MaRo has said that when they do a wedge set whey will almost certainly not use those prefixes.
The Rock was a BG deck, and only started blurring into white during the Doran Rock period. Now Junk has been separated off to refer to BGW, and I assumed (though this is not confirmed) that it was called that because BGW decks tend naturally towards goodstuff utility decks so rather than conscious synergy it is a bunch of "junk".
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Huh. That actually makes sense. I did wonder why on earth they labelled that colour combination as ‘Junk’.