Dear god no. I hate that card more than any card in legacy. It creates the worst feel-bad moments, and is a free counterspell that can be pseudo card advantage, especially in tempo decks. Far too powerful for modern.
I think the shocklands would help balance Daze in Modern.
I'd love it if Swords to Plowshares was in the format. Not because I'd want to play it, but everyone would play it instead of Path to Exile, and as a GR Tron player, I'd generally rather gain 6-10 life than get the basic land that might not even be in my library at the time.
Flavorwise it could easily fit into Theros, but i doubt they'd put two "W: ...Exile target creature..." variants into one set. And with the focus of Standard being "Creaturescreaturescreatures", and "Combatdamagecombatdamage" i'm willing to bet it'd have been balanced without Chained.
And i certainly want it. Nothing feels worse than staring down a T1 DRS with a Path in your hand...
Intuition. I don't know what it is, but for some reason I never liked Gifts Ungiven. Probably because it's 4 CMC, which is where I prefer to place my finishers (Just a personal thing with deckbuilding), or whatever. I dunno. I just want Intuition. I wanna have the opportunity to pick 3 of the same card.
Reserved list so this can't happen unfortunately (I would also like to see the card). For me, any of these cards would be sweet:
Also, I would love to see a mass reprint of the Onslaught fetches. They would be good in modern, and I really don't want to pay $$$$$$ to get Japanese ones for Legacy right now.
Also, I would love to see a mass reprint of the Onslaught fetches. They would be good in modern, and I really don't want to pay $$$$$$ to get Japanese ones for Legacy right now.
I have a feeling that Mind's Desire might be a bad idea.
I have a feeling that Mind's Desire might be a bad idea.
In the initial modern format, I absolutely agree with you. Now that every decent fast mana spell is banned, it seems pretty harmless. You're pretty much never going to cast it without a Lotus Bloom, and that limits you to turn 4 combo (WOTC's rule for Modern) by default. There is a ton of fear and stigma to Mind's Desire, but people tend to forget that it was never banned in Extended and never dominated even when there was a ton of good fast mana.
Full disclosure: Mind's Desire is my favorite card in magic.
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Combo is a part of magic. If you cant deal with combo then your not a magic player.
I would wager that WotC thinks Epic Experiment is the fixed Mind's Desire for Modern.
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I support WotC's goal of shaping Modern in favor of diversity.
I ran a thought experiment on my blog Modern in a Nuclear Wasteland
of an extreme case of banning 20 more cards to make sure they get everything, then scaling back where appropriate. WotC seems to be on a slowly build up approach. Both ways probably reach similar end points.
The post Gatecrash metagame is proving to be closer to the endpoint than I estimated, so its very possible that few (if any) more cards need to be banned.
The fact that desire costs double blue makes it much more fair, as it makes it far harder to cast once you're going off. I can easily see the deck playing lotus bloom, but again that keeps the deck as a turn 4 deck. But I would love love LOVE to be able to play Desire-Sins/PiF storm. Fueled by gifts ungiven and steam augury. Grixis hybrid combo/control shell
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The fact that desire costs double blue makes it much more fair, as it makes it far harder to cast once you're going off. I can easily see the deck playing lotus bloom, but again that keeps the deck as a turn 4 deck. But I would love love LOVE to be able to play Desire-Sins/PiF storm. Fueled by gifts ungiven and steam augury. Grixis hybrid combo/control shell
Double color does little to slow down or make a spell 'fair'. You have seen our mana bases right? We can play 3 color and hit double color of 3 different colors on turn 3. Let alone turn 5.
Double color does little to slow down or make a spell 'fair'. You have seen our mana bases right? We can play 3 color and hit double color of 3 different colors on turn 3. Let alone turn 5.
And Turn 4 or later is fair for combo in this format. That is my point. Storm wants to go off by turn 4, the double blue can be prohibitive of that, especially if the deck expects to be casting dig spells as well.
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In the initial modern format, I absolutely agree with you. Now that every decent fast mana spell is banned, it seems pretty harmless. You're pretty much never going to cast it without a Lotus Bloom, and that limits you to turn 4 combo (WOTC's rule for Modern) by default. There is a ton of fear and stigma to Mind's Desire, but people tend to forget that it was never banned in Extended and never dominated even when there was a ton of good fast mana.
Full disclosure: Mind's Desire is my favorite card in magic.
It might be fair, but it would be banned for time reasons (if Top takes too much time to use, then shuffling 10 times a turn would be too).
It might be fair, but it would be banned for time reasons (if Top takes too much time to use, then shuffling 10 times a turn would be too).
technically you can shuffle once and just flip all the cards from the top, as a shortcut. The shuffle part is there to prevent setting up the top, like with brainstorm or mystical tutor.
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I have a casual deck that I really want to port to Modern. However it needs a couple of spells reprinted into the modern pool, particularly Dream tides and Theft of dreams. I am thinking that these are powerful, but not format changing in the least.
I have a casual deck that I really want to port to Modern. However it needs a couple of spells reprinted into the modern pool, particularly Dream tides and Theft of dreams. I am thinking that these are powerful, but not format changing in the least.
There are a bunch of these prison style cards I would love to see in Modern, although I know that Wizards is trying to move away from them in new sets.
I don't understand why Wizards doesn't make Commander cards legal in Modern. It's the perfect solution to the "too-powerful-for-Standard" problem with many Modern reprints (e.g. Counterspell). Sure, there are some commander cards that would need to be preemptively banned (byebyes Shardless Agent!), but even something like that badass new Merfolk that just got spoiled would be a welcome addition to our format. And some of the legends could potentially power up new and old decks.
Maybe this is the plan for the future and Wizards is just waiting to announce it.
I don't understand why Wizards doesn't make Commander cards legal in Modern. It's the perfect solution to the "too-powerful-for-Standard" problem with many Modern reprints (e.g. Counterspell). Sure, there are some commander cards that would need to be preemptively banned (byebyes Shardless Agent!), but even something like that badass new Merfolk that just got spoiled would be a welcome addition to our format. And some of the legends could potentially power up new and old decks.
Maybe this is the plan for the future and Wizards is just waiting to announce it.
Identity Nemesis?
In Modern?
I mean, I'm all for creatures that laugh at removal, but that card smacks of gross mistake to me.
Commander set cards are some of the most absolutely disgusting ideas ever to be taken to print... a critter with protection from players? Outrageous much?
...do 'Folk ever set Aether Vial to 3?
Sure, it dies to mass removal and sac, but this is seriously outrageous and meant to be played in a format with multiplayer politicking, not a 1 on 1 HAHA, NICE REMOVAL game.
Identity Nemesis?
In Modern?
I mean, I'm all for creatures that laugh at removal, but that card smacks of gross mistake to me.
Commander set cards are some of the most absolutely disgusting ideas ever to be taken to print... a critter with protection from players? Outrageous much?
...do 'Folk ever set Aether Vial to 3?
Sure, it dies to mass removal and sac, but this is seriously outrageous and meant to be played in a format with multiplayer politicking, not a 1 on 1 HAHA, NICE REMOVAL game.
If the card was totally broken in Modern, then they could ban it. The idea is to have a vehicle where Wizards could print cards into our format but not into Standard, and Commander (which already exists) fits that bill perfectly. Alternately, Wizards could make some special rules about cards printed/reprinted into Modern Masters and say that those cards are also legal.
The goal is just to give Wizards a way to inject cards into Modern without screwing with Standard.
If the card was totally broken in Modern, then they could ban it. The idea is to have a vehicle where Wizards could print cards into our format but not into Standard, and Commander (which already exists) fits that bill perfectly. Alternately, Wizards could make some special rules about cards printed/reprinted into Modern Masters and say that those cards are also legal.
The goal is just to give Wizards a way to inject cards into Modern without screwing with Standard.
Using MM is the least clustermucky avenue to facilitating reprints that impact Modern specifically, but I am positive that MM will always be biased towards providing a draft experience, assuming it's seriously going to be a repeated thing.
The product intent bias that I'm pointing out is something apparent in this Commander set; the merfolk dude with his pro-players makes sense in an intended-multiplayer format, wherein player politicking is a very real dimension of play. For a MM release, the cards need to create a very tight and skill-intensive draft environment (+/- some chase reprints that, in some capacity, make sense to be reprinted... or something, don't ask me what justifies the Kamigawa dragons), and I don't see a pro-players merfolk making a whole lot of sense there; if anything a card that untouchable would probably warp the hypothetical draft environment into who pulls (and thus resolves) the most of them in the shortest span of time.
So while the idea of using MM as a reprint vehicle has merit, I do not see us ever getting IdeNem. I could see Flusterstorm, or Planechase '12's Baleful Strix, but Identity Nemesis is just not going to work.
So while the idea of using MM as a reprint vehicle has merit, I do not see us ever getting IdeNem. I could see Flusterstorm, or Planechase '12's Baleful Strix, but Identity Nemesis is just not going to work.
Personally, I don't care one bit about Nemesis. For all I care, he can go hang out with Shardless on the banlist. I just want a way for Wizards to reprint spells into Modern that will help out the format (Counterspell, Innocent Blood, Stifle, Meekstone, etc.) without worrying about what those cards would do to Standard. Some of them are probably fair for Standard and could see print there while also benefiting Modern. Others, like Astral Slide or Moment's Peace are too mechanic-dependent to go into Standard in any conceivable way. And others, like Daze, might just be inappropriate for Standard as a whole.
Putting those cards in MM or Comm for Modern-only use would solve that problem. Nemesis can just be banned if he's too crazy.
The Kamigawa dragons were there to help facilitate Dragonstorm (along with Pardic Dragon). Though putting them at Mythic was ridiculous, as the only one that would ever go around would be Jugan and maybe Ryusei.
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Well then, stepping aside from the card and focusing on the method of distribution, there's just the flaw of making what's already an arbitrary rule of thumb for what cards are legal in this format a total mess full of exemptions and whatnot.
It's a logistical issue at its core. Personally I'd love the idea of Modern getting its own dedicated core set line (MM's excessively draft-centric), something to explicitly provide relevant reprints without any other real agenda being pushed, but I can't shake the impression that the issue's on thin ice, and trying to mess with it could cause a cascade of problems down the line.
Personally, I don't care one bit about Nemesis. For all I care, he can go hang out with Shardless on the banlist. I just want a way for Wizards to reprint spells into Modern that will help out the format (Counterspell, Innocent Blood, Stifle, Meekstone, etc.) without worrying about what those cards would do to Standard.
Unless it was simultaneously legal with the fetchlands, Stifle would be 100% safe in Standard. What in the world would you even do with it? It has uses, don't get me wrong, but none of them are particularly impressive. Quite honestly, a reprint of Stifle would be a lot more potentially dangerous for Modern than for Standard.
I think the shocklands would help balance Daze in Modern.
But being force spiked never, ever feels good.
Flavorwise it could easily fit into Theros, but i doubt they'd put two "W: ...Exile target creature..." variants into one set. And with the focus of Standard being "Creaturescreaturescreatures", and "Combatdamagecombatdamage" i'm willing to bet it'd have been balanced without Chained.
And i certainly want it. Nothing feels worse than staring down a T1 DRS with a Path in your hand...
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Reserved list so this can't happen unfortunately (I would also like to see the card). For me, any of these cards would be sweet:
Cabal Coffers
Pernicious Deed
Mind's Desire
Astral Slide
Also, I would love to see a mass reprint of the Onslaught fetches. They would be good in modern, and I really don't want to pay $$$$$$ to get Japanese ones for Legacy right now.
EDIT: I forgot, would definitely like to see Baleful Strix and Shardless Agent. Playing those two with Glissa, the Traitor would be a ton of fun.
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Combo is a part of magic. If you cant deal with combo then your not a magic player.
I have a feeling that Mind's Desire might be a bad idea.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
In the initial modern format, I absolutely agree with you. Now that every decent fast mana spell is banned, it seems pretty harmless. You're pretty much never going to cast it without a Lotus Bloom, and that limits you to turn 4 combo (WOTC's rule for Modern) by default. There is a ton of fear and stigma to Mind's Desire, but people tend to forget that it was never banned in Extended and never dominated even when there was a ton of good fast mana.
Full disclosure: Mind's Desire is my favorite card in magic.
UBRGW T.E.S.
UUUSpiral Tide
Modern:
UBR Grixis Control
EDH:
UB Oona, Queen of the Fae
Combo is a part of magic. If you cant deal with combo then your not a magic player.
I ran a thought experiment on my blog
Modern in a Nuclear Wasteland
of an extreme case of banning 20 more cards to make sure they get everything, then scaling back where appropriate. WotC seems to be on a slowly build up approach. Both ways probably reach similar end points.
The post Gatecrash metagame is proving to be closer to the endpoint than I estimated, so its very possible that few (if any) more cards need to be banned.
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Double color does little to slow down or make a spell 'fair'. You have seen our mana bases right? We can play 3 color and hit double color of 3 different colors on turn 3. Let alone turn 5.
And Turn 4 or later is fair for combo in this format. That is my point. Storm wants to go off by turn 4, the double blue can be prohibitive of that, especially if the deck expects to be casting dig spells as well.
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Control Magic.
Do it, Wizards. DOOOO IITTTTTT
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It might be fair, but it would be banned for time reasons (if Top takes too much time to use, then shuffling 10 times a turn would be too).
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
It'll never happen, but I like to believe they'll come up with something vaguely like it, but balanced for 201x-era Magic...
technically you can shuffle once and just flip all the cards from the top, as a shortcut. The shuffle part is there to prevent setting up the top, like with brainstorm or mystical tutor.
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There are a bunch of these prison style cards I would love to see in Modern, although I know that Wizards is trying to move away from them in new sets.
This includes Tangle Wire, Rising Waters, Meekstone, and Mist of Stagnation.
My all time favorite reprint in this category would be Humility.
Barbarian Ring and Memory Lapse
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Maybe this is the plan for the future and Wizards is just waiting to announce it.
Identity Nemesis?
In Modern?
I mean, I'm all for creatures that laugh at removal, but that card smacks of gross mistake to me.
Commander set cards are some of the most absolutely disgusting ideas ever to be taken to print... a critter with protection from players? Outrageous much?
...do 'Folk ever set Aether Vial to 3?
Sure, it dies to mass removal and sac, but this is seriously outrageous and meant to be played in a format with multiplayer politicking, not a 1 on 1 HAHA, NICE REMOVAL game.
If the card was totally broken in Modern, then they could ban it. The idea is to have a vehicle where Wizards could print cards into our format but not into Standard, and Commander (which already exists) fits that bill perfectly. Alternately, Wizards could make some special rules about cards printed/reprinted into Modern Masters and say that those cards are also legal.
The goal is just to give Wizards a way to inject cards into Modern without screwing with Standard.
Using MM is the least clustermucky avenue to facilitating reprints that impact Modern specifically, but I am positive that MM will always be biased towards providing a draft experience, assuming it's seriously going to be a repeated thing.
The product intent bias that I'm pointing out is something apparent in this Commander set; the merfolk dude with his pro-players makes sense in an intended-multiplayer format, wherein player politicking is a very real dimension of play. For a MM release, the cards need to create a very tight and skill-intensive draft environment (+/- some chase reprints that, in some capacity, make sense to be reprinted... or something, don't ask me what justifies the Kamigawa dragons), and I don't see a pro-players merfolk making a whole lot of sense there; if anything a card that untouchable would probably warp the hypothetical draft environment into who pulls (and thus resolves) the most of them in the shortest span of time.
So while the idea of using MM as a reprint vehicle has merit, I do not see us ever getting IdeNem. I could see Flusterstorm, or Planechase '12's Baleful Strix, but Identity Nemesis is just not going to work.
Personally, I don't care one bit about Nemesis. For all I care, he can go hang out with Shardless on the banlist. I just want a way for Wizards to reprint spells into Modern that will help out the format (Counterspell, Innocent Blood, Stifle, Meekstone, etc.) without worrying about what those cards would do to Standard. Some of them are probably fair for Standard and could see print there while also benefiting Modern. Others, like Astral Slide or Moment's Peace are too mechanic-dependent to go into Standard in any conceivable way. And others, like Daze, might just be inappropriate for Standard as a whole.
Putting those cards in MM or Comm for Modern-only use would solve that problem. Nemesis can just be banned if he's too crazy.
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It's a logistical issue at its core. Personally I'd love the idea of Modern getting its own dedicated core set line (MM's excessively draft-centric), something to explicitly provide relevant reprints without any other real agenda being pushed, but I can't shake the impression that the issue's on thin ice, and trying to mess with it could cause a cascade of problems down the line.
Unless it was simultaneously legal with the fetchlands, Stifle would be 100% safe in Standard. What in the world would you even do with it? It has uses, don't get me wrong, but none of them are particularly impressive. Quite honestly, a reprint of Stifle would be a lot more potentially dangerous for Modern than for Standard.