Card prices are going up because there is still a demand for those cards. However at the same time, less people are playing V4, which means less product is being opened. Less product coupled with demand means the price goes up because of less supply. Demand is outstripping supply. Nothing else to that.
Card prices are going up because there is still a demand for those cards. However at the same time, less people are playing V4, which means less product is being opened. Less product coupled with demand means the price goes up because of less supply. Demand is outstripping supply. Nothing else to that.
My guess is that the PT brought new demand to the format, m15 made new decks, lots of people brewing with nissa and rabblemaster, and the pain lands
and then maybe the people that bought into vintage, or bought an account for the free sealed bought into standard
what's also interesting is that booster prices aren't trash, m15 is 3.33, i figured it'd be down to 2.8, i don't know what that means, does that mean lots of people want to draft m15, or does that mean not many people are playing constructed winning packs?
So this is a side issue, but basically relates to the topic of this thread. And seriously, I don't get it. Someone please answer it for me.
Why have card prices been steadily going UP on Standard and Modern staples when far less people are playing V4??!?!
There may be an exception to this statement, but overall its true.
Conspiracy theory: I have nothing to back it up with, its just an idea - what if WOTC is paying all of the big-time MTGO retailers to keep prices steady to present the impression that nothing is wrong with V4 ?
Because the amount of people playing has not dropped as much as the noise in the net makes it look like.
The fact is, people who complain are always far more noisy than people who don't. For every complainer you have probably 99 people who just keep playing on.
So this is a side issue, but basically relates to the topic of this thread. And seriously, I don't get it. Someone please answer it for me.
Why have card prices been steadily going UP on Standard and Modern staples when far less people are playing V4??!?!
There may be an exception to this statement, but overall its true.
Conspiracy theory: I have nothing to back it up with, its just an idea - what if WOTC is paying all of the big-time MTGO retailers to keep prices steady to present the impression that nothing is wrong with V4 ?
Because the amount of people playing has not dropped as much as the noise in the net makes it look like.
The fact is, people who complain are always far more noisy than people who don't. For every complainer you have probably 99 people who just keep playing on.
It could also be that the number of people playing limited and constructed has each dropped by a similar amount so the supply and demand has stayed about the same.
If joe blogs makes a complaint, unless you sue them, most companies wont loose any sleep over you, if someone noticeable who is likely to be able to change other people opinion about a product makes a complaint, then you have a problem.
Wizards is making it pretty easy for me not to spend money on the client.
At least I feel like I'm seeing progress. It may not really be but things are starting to get better (imo) from week to week. I'm not saying things are hunky dory but the actual client seems to improve ever so slightly.
Its the management that is really hurting the program. I am still flabbergasted at the choices. The removal of pauper, block, momir. The reintroduction of pauper and momir. The ABSOLUTELY BAFFLING legacy and vintage payouts. The removal of Premier events.
If the MOCS and PTQs don't go well this weekend, I think that bodes pretty badly for us all.
Not sure what that says exactly or if its around what they were expecting, I know Tom Martell complained about joining 6 pre-lims and none of them firing and others have complained about various crashes stopping them from completing the pre-lims.
All of the sudden now multiple triggers on upkeep locks the game up. I would have Aether Vial in play and I activate Mishra's Bauble for example. There's no window with the triggers to select, and I can't place them automatically through options. I can't even play my deck now.
Has anyone noticed this?
I've posted it in the bug report forum on the Wizards site.
I just played a game where I had a mana crypt trigger and tangle wire trigger on my upkeep and the game didn't lock. Although it was my opponent's tangle wire trigger.
I just played a game where I had a mana crypt trigger and tangle wire trigger on my upkeep and the game didn't lock. Although it was my opponent's tangle wire trigger.
It's probably triggers from the same player. This problem started occuring yesterday, and it hadn't happened before that since the last update.
Not exactly the most popular format anywhere is it?
Regardless, MTGO was one place where they had the opportunity to give the format a real place to exist, I don't know what the turnouts were for the qualifiers, but they can't have been that great with the number that failed to fire and with only 49 people being qualified at the end.
Regardless, MTGO was one place where they had the opportunity to give the format a real place to exist, I don't know what the turnouts were for the qualifiers, but they can't have been that great with the number that failed to fire and with only 49 people being qualified at the end.
Sure, lots and lots and lots of people drafted Vintage Masters, but most of them sold off anything of value rather than keeping it for the format.
Vintage players will always be a subset of Legacy players, which is already a small group to begin with. Was listening to Top 8 Magic podcast this week and Mike Flores was lamenting his attempt to test his Legacy deck and facing up against the same five people running the same decks, keeping him from learning much about his deck.
It seems like it has gotten worse. I tried playing the other day and the lag was unforgivable. Nearly every click caused the client to hang, and there was a massive memory leak. The experience sucked in early August, but at least I was able to play.
I actually might not even spend anything on Khans, despite being really excited about it, because of how bad the client is. I already spent $0 on M15. I've flat out quit standard, so I'll just pick up any Khans cards I want cheap when they finally make the client usable. I say cheap because at the rate they are going, Khans may have rotated by the time its fixed.
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The collection screen is still atrocious, the add all but 4 to the trade binder function still does not work properly and its nearly impossible to find cards in the trade binder once you put them there. However I was able to spend approximately 2 hours going through my binders and making cards tradable without the client crashing, though unfortunately the client itself crashed when I tried to initiate a trade. So I guess the collection screen has gotten better?
On the bright side I cleaned out 62 tix worth of commons and uncommons I plum forgot I had that were just sitting there. The downside is that it took 2 hours to do something it would have taken 15 minutes to do in V3.
Where is the best place to unload commons and uncommons? Every time I try and trade a large amount to a bot the trade cancels.
I use BishopBuyingBot for such purposes.
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My guess is that the PT brought new demand to the format, m15 made new decks, lots of people brewing with nissa and rabblemaster, and the pain lands
and then maybe the people that bought into vintage, or bought an account for the free sealed bought into standard
what's also interesting is that booster prices aren't trash, m15 is 3.33, i figured it'd be down to 2.8, i don't know what that means, does that mean lots of people want to draft m15, or does that mean not many people are playing constructed winning packs?
great program
https://twitter.com/rickster___/status/503094890440318976
it's the weekend, so maybe they'll get back to me on monday
http://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/2em6w7/mtgo_compensation_debate_on_twitter_yesterday/ck0uei1
Apparently they refund you no questions asked 5 times every week. I thought it was much worse than that.
Because the amount of people playing has not dropped as much as the noise in the net makes it look like.
The fact is, people who complain are always far more noisy than people who don't. For every complainer you have probably 99 people who just keep playing on.
It could also be that the number of people playing limited and constructed has each dropped by a similar amount so the supply and demand has stayed about the same.
https://twitter.com/bc002h/status/503553825979240449
Just like everything else.
If joe blogs makes a complaint, unless you sue them, most companies wont loose any sleep over you, if someone noticeable who is likely to be able to change other people opinion about a product makes a complaint, then you have a problem.
https://twitter.com/OwenTweetenwald/status/505746648455446530
Wizards is making it pretty easy for me not to spend money on the client.
At least I feel like I'm seeing progress. It may not really be but things are starting to get better (imo) from week to week. I'm not saying things are hunky dory but the actual client seems to improve ever so slightly.
Its the management that is really hurting the program. I am still flabbergasted at the choices. The removal of pauper, block, momir. The reintroduction of pauper and momir. The ABSOLUTELY BAFFLING legacy and vintage payouts. The removal of Premier events.
If the MOCS and PTQs don't go well this weekend, I think that bodes pretty badly for us all.
Not sure what that says exactly or if its around what they were expecting, I know Tom Martell complained about joining 6 pre-lims and none of them firing and others have complained about various crashes stopping them from completing the pre-lims.
Well. Its vintage.
Not exactly the most popular format anywhere is it?
Has anyone noticed this?
I've posted it in the bug report forum on the Wizards site.
It's probably triggers from the same player. This problem started occuring yesterday, and it hadn't happened before that since the last update.
Regardless, MTGO was one place where they had the opportunity to give the format a real place to exist, I don't know what the turnouts were for the qualifiers, but they can't have been that great with the number that failed to fire and with only 49 people being qualified at the end.
Sure, lots and lots and lots of people drafted Vintage Masters, but most of them sold off anything of value rather than keeping it for the format.
Vintage players will always be a subset of Legacy players, which is already a small group to begin with. Was listening to Top 8 Magic podcast this week and Mike Flores was lamenting his attempt to test his Legacy deck and facing up against the same five people running the same decks, keeping him from learning much about his deck.
I play on a laptop, 4GB + SSD. Game lags so bad that I will only play casual, no events. Please bring back the old version.
I actually might not even spend anything on Khans, despite being really excited about it, because of how bad the client is. I already spent $0 on M15. I've flat out quit standard, so I'll just pick up any Khans cards I want cheap when they finally make the client usable. I say cheap because at the rate they are going, Khans may have rotated by the time its fixed.
Onering's 4 simple steps that let you solve any problem with Magic's gameplay
Step 1: Identify the problem. What aspect of Magic don't you like? Step 2: Find out how others deal with the problem. How do players deal with this aspect of the game when they run into it? Step 3: Do what those players do. Step 4: No more problem. Bonus: You are now better at Magic. Enjoy those extra wins!
On the bright side I cleaned out 62 tix worth of commons and uncommons I plum forgot I had that were just sitting there. The downside is that it took 2 hours to do something it would have taken 15 minutes to do in V3.
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