Aven squire and healer of the pride still in the pack come pick 7 looks good for white. If we end up white blue I would rather have the healer than the aven squire. If we end up WB I'd still rather have the healer although it's a touch closer. Healer for me.
Aven Squire is great, but Healer of the Pride can put the game out of reach for the opponent.
I voted expecting to see a 100% whitewash in favour of Squire. Since you evidently like Healer, can you explain this pick a bit more, please?
From my perspective, Squire is pretty much the top Common in a W/B deck besides removal. Why on earth would we want a do-nothing 2/3 with a bit of lifegain tacked on over it?!
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I voted expecting to see a 100% whitewash in favour of Squire. Since you evidently like Healer, can you explain this pick a bit more, please?
From my perspective, Squire is pretty much the top Common in a W/B deck besides removal. Why on earth would we want a do-nothing 2/3 with a bit of lifegain tacked on over it?!
If we end up in a more controlling deck then we'd most certainly prefer the Healer since Aven isn't exactly a good defensive card. That being said I think we're more likely to be heading into an aggressive fliers/exalted deck at this point than a control deck and Squire is very important in those decks so that's my pick.
Taking the Healer here seems very wrong. Sure, it's good in a control shell, but there's no way this is going to end up as a control deck if we intend to go BW (I still contend we should be UW, but even then, Squire is the pick).
BW control decks don't really exist, as they just don't have enough ways of generating meaningful card advantage. Their creatures are often small on defense, and they don't do well against the other slower archetypes when they finally start generating their card advantage.
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I voted expecting to see a 100% whitewash in favour of Squire. Since you evidently like Healer, can you explain this pick a bit more, please?
I wouldn't knock a vote for Squire. My thinking is that based on our picks so far, we don't really have colors yet. (Except Red & Green seem entirely unlikely.) We have an artifact, a good splashable White card and a marginal War Falcon, 2 Black cards one of which is splashable, and Arctic Aven. The only cards we can't really play together right now are Arctic Aven & Cower in Fear.
In my experience, you can't draft a good Aggro deck if you whiff on a pack. If we decide we're WB Exalted, or even WU Fliers, then Aven is the pick. But couldn't we end up BUw? These are the first good White cards we've seen since our first pick. Why do we feel committed to it?
Assuming we don't know that we're playing White as a main color, then Healer is a better pick. It's potentially splashable if we're desperate, Squire is not, and both are pretty good in a mid range White deck. The only deck that really favors Squire is an aggressive one, and I don't see that coming together with essentially just 2 packs of cards.
TL;DR: Regardless of color, we're probably not playing true "Aggro" therefore I'd rather have the card that serves the long game.
These are the first good White cards we've seen since our first pick. Why do we feel committed to it?
Because two playable white cards, one of which is a great one, on pick #7 clearly signal white is open. I fail to see your reasoning that we'd end-up UB when there were so few U or B cards drafted so far and teh pack is devoid of anything good in those colors. I feel you're advocating jumping into colors that may very well be already closed by your neighbour while ignoring a clear signal.
Because two playable white cards, one of which is a great one, on pick #7 clearly signal white is open. I fail to see your reasoning that we'd end-up UB when there were so few U or B cards drafted so far and teh pack is devoid of anything good in those colors. I feel you're advocating jumping into colors that may very well be already closed by your neighbour while ignoring a clear signal.
One pick isn't a clear signal. This pack could have had 4 good White cards for all we know. It happens. If this is a signal that White is open, what about the last 5 picks that barely had any White at all? I'd rather draw a conclusion from 5 packs than 1.
One pick isn't a clear signal. This pack could have had 4 good White cards for all we know. It happens. If this is a signal that White is open, what about the last 5 picks that barely had any White at all? I'd rather draw a conclusion from 5 packs than 1.
We could use the same logic and assume maybe there weren't any white cards at all the last 5 packs. That being said, Aven Squire pick 7 is a signal that:
1. No one to our right is drafting a white exhaulted deck
2. Along with Healer, white is open
If we don't see any blue playables shipped to us (1 last pack next, Encrust or Wind Drake not tabling), Aven Squire goes great with Disciple and we can try to hedge our bets into WB.
We could use the same logic and assume maybe there weren't any white cards at all the last 5 packs.
It's simple probability. The odds of one pack loaded with White cards is much higher than 5 consecutive packs containing no good White cards.
I don't there's much else to say. It's one pack that's sending a different signal from the last 5. It's either the tip of the iceberg, or an aberration. I'm not saying White is not open, I'm just saying we don't really know yet. We've been getting conflicting signals all through this pack. Therefore I disagree with everyone saying "WOOOO White's open here we go!!!"
It doesn't change this pick much, but I could see it affecting the draft down the line. With comments like "Well we KNOW from P1.7 that White will be wide open in Pack 3..." etc.
I would also say Healer. The squire may work well with falcon, but saying squire is the pick b/c it helps falcon doesn't seem like the best case for picking Squire.
A main color isn't established. It all depends what you know you've passed in your previous 6 packs, as well as the pick order. I am just assuming the cards are listed in pick order. I would take the Healer. If 1 or both of the black cards had been white or blue, or had been an exalted card, I would pick the squire.
We are looking like WBu. That also means we're looking aggressive. On top of that, Aven Squire gets us a little closer to War Falcon being playable. The pick is not close.
This is a white signal. This is the pick we've been waiting for. Both Healer and Squire are white cards that are good enough to make it extremely, vanishingly unlikely that there were other significant white cards in the pack. We can take the contents of this pack to mean that white is a color we should be in. It should not be our plan at this point to splash white, it should be a main color.
As for which we should be taking, I don't see how anyone can think Squire isn't the pick. This draft is going in a fairly expected direction, and we're now in a position to decide between W/U or W/B which are both great aggressive archetypes. Healer is critical to neither. We don't need to try to play all our picks in order to do well.
Wit's End is the PERFECT answer to your opponent's Monomania however.
Just hold on to your Wit's End when they Monomania, so you can Wit's End them on your next turn!!!
I think this is fairly reminiscent of the "Jace Battles" we have seen in past standards.. My guess is we will soon witness the great Monomania-Wit's End battles.
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Goes well with War Falcon and Arctic Aven. Also gives us a 2 drop for our curve.
I voted expecting to see a 100% whitewash in favour of Squire. Since you evidently like Healer, can you explain this pick a bit more, please?
From my perspective, Squire is pretty much the top Common in a W/B deck besides removal. Why on earth would we want a do-nothing 2/3 with a bit of lifegain tacked on over it?!
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If we end up in a more controlling deck then we'd most certainly prefer the Healer since Aven isn't exactly a good defensive card. That being said I think we're more likely to be heading into an aggressive fliers/exalted deck at this point than a control deck and Squire is very important in those decks so that's my pick.
BW control decks don't really exist, as they just don't have enough ways of generating meaningful card advantage. Their creatures are often small on defense, and they don't do well against the other slower archetypes when they finally start generating their card advantage.
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I wouldn't knock a vote for Squire. My thinking is that based on our picks so far, we don't really have colors yet. (Except Red & Green seem entirely unlikely.) We have an artifact, a good splashable White card and a marginal War Falcon, 2 Black cards one of which is splashable, and Arctic Aven. The only cards we can't really play together right now are Arctic Aven & Cower in Fear.
In my experience, you can't draft a good Aggro deck if you whiff on a pack. If we decide we're WB Exalted, or even WU Fliers, then Aven is the pick. But couldn't we end up BUw? These are the first good White cards we've seen since our first pick. Why do we feel committed to it?
Assuming we don't know that we're playing White as a main color, then Healer is a better pick. It's potentially splashable if we're desperate, Squire is not, and both are pretty good in a mid range White deck. The only deck that really favors Squire is an aggressive one, and I don't see that coming together with essentially just 2 packs of cards.
TL;DR: Regardless of color, we're probably not playing true "Aggro" therefore I'd rather have the card that serves the long game.
Because two playable white cards, one of which is a great one, on pick #7 clearly signal white is open. I fail to see your reasoning that we'd end-up UB when there were so few U or B cards drafted so far and teh pack is devoid of anything good in those colors. I feel you're advocating jumping into colors that may very well be already closed by your neighbour while ignoring a clear signal.
One pick isn't a clear signal. This pack could have had 4 good White cards for all we know. It happens. If this is a signal that White is open, what about the last 5 picks that barely had any White at all? I'd rather draw a conclusion from 5 packs than 1.
We could use the same logic and assume maybe there weren't any white cards at all the last 5 packs. That being said, Aven Squire pick 7 is a signal that:
1. No one to our right is drafting a white exhaulted deck
2. Along with Healer, white is open
If we don't see any blue playables shipped to us (1 last pack next, Encrust or Wind Drake not tabling), Aven Squire goes great with Disciple and we can try to hedge our bets into WB.
It's simple probability. The odds of one pack loaded with White cards is much higher than 5 consecutive packs containing no good White cards.
I don't there's much else to say. It's one pack that's sending a different signal from the last 5. It's either the tip of the iceberg, or an aberration. I'm not saying White is not open, I'm just saying we don't really know yet. We've been getting conflicting signals all through this pack. Therefore I disagree with everyone saying "WOOOO White's open here we go!!!"
It doesn't change this pick much, but I could see it affecting the draft down the line. With comments like "Well we KNOW from P1.7 that White will be wide open in Pack 3..." etc.
A main color isn't established. It all depends what you know you've passed in your previous 6 packs, as well as the pick order. I am just assuming the cards are listed in pick order. I would take the Healer. If 1 or both of the black cards had been white or blue, or had been an exalted card, I would pick the squire.
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As for which we should be taking, I don't see how anyone can think Squire isn't the pick. This draft is going in a fairly expected direction, and we're now in a position to decide between W/U or W/B which are both great aggressive archetypes. Healer is critical to neither. We don't need to try to play all our picks in order to do well.