Top 5 and worst 5 draft formats in Modern magic?

  • #1
    What is the general consensus on the top 5 and worse 5 draft formats in Modern magic?

    My top 5
    Rise of the Eldrazi(I loved this format so much)
    Innistrad
    Ravnica
    Time spiral
    Shards of alara

    Worst 5
    Avacyn restored
    Lorawyn
    Kamigawa.
    M11( Maybe i just don't like coreset that much.
    M12
  • #2
    I think the Top 5 is kind of debatable in terms of order, but top two would likely be either Ravnica or Rise of the Eldrazi. I heard Shards was a good block to draft, but I never did much of it. And I would argue that Kamigawa was a great limited format, it just sucked in constructed. Innistrad was a pretty good format, though Olivia was one of those 'cast me and win!' cards that leaves a bad taste in people's mouths. I also really enjoyed Mirrodin limited.

    Worst 5, based on just popular opinion, would have to include Zendikar, Scars of Mirrodin (though I liked the format), Avacyn Restored, and M12. M11 was ok as far as I can recall, nothing phenomenal but not terrible either.

    Note, 'worst' here is hard to objectively state; I think Scars has come the closest to being a 'broken' format because of Infect and how is skewed the environment into essentially two deck types (Metalcraft vs Infect), but some people (myself included) had fun.

    If you include the MTGO-only Masters Edition sets, I always found those amusing. It's fun to play with really old cards. Also, being able to play older sets is fun too, though Saga is so horribly broken as a limited environment it's kind of crazy. Pestilence at common is just not good.
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  • #3
    By modern magic, what time frame do you mean? Modern like the format, or modern as in since they started designing with a nod to drafting (roughly around Tempest)?
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  • #4
    For me nothing will ever top the degeneration of 3 X Eventide as far as bad formats go.
  • #5
    I would assume he means modern as in the Modern format. If so, I'd say top 5:
    1. Time Spiral
    2. Ravnica
    3. Rise of the Eldrazi
    4. Innistrad
    5. Shadowmoor

    (note that I haven't played too much Kamigawa or the first Mirrodin)

    Worst:
    1. Coldsnap
    2. Zendikar
    3. M10
    4. Avacyn Restored
    5. M12

    Also, these are all complete blocks (TPF and not TTT, etc). Also not counting Core Sets pre-M10, since those weren't really supported draft formats.


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  • #6
    Best
    1. Ravnica (pre M10 rules changes)
    2. Rise of the Eldrazi
    3. Innistrad
    4. Lorwyn
    5. Shadowmoor

    Worst
    Don't care! :p

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    Both are worth playing, especially CCB (Kamigawa), but neither would make you list, I suspect.
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  • #7
    TPF
    RGD
    Rise
    OLS (just me?)
    M11 (I went up, like, 150 points in this format)

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    Coldsnap
    Zendikar
    Scars
    Kamigawa
    AVR

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  • #8
    Am I the only guy that thnks AVR is one of the best draft formats of the modern era?
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  • #9
    Quote from Ferenczys
    Note, 'worst' here is hard to objectively state; I think Scars has come the closest to being a 'broken' format because of Infect and how is skewed the environment into essentially two deck types (Metalcraft vs Infect), but some people (myself included) had fun.

    I would strongly disagree that this was the case, particularly as the block went on. I found that there were plenty of decks to draft, and solid decks at that (though combinations like B/ were still pretty poor), and lots of interesting combos and interactions to build around. In my opinion, the only really unfortunate part of that format was the number of absolutely ridiculous, unbeatable rares, which was high enough to make the format average instead of very good.

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  • #10
    Quote from King Pun
    Am I the only guy that thnks AVR is one of the best draft formats of the modern era?


    Why do you think its one of the "best?" The lack of removal meant whoever opens up big bombs usually wins.


    Since I have only truly drafted/started back into the game around M11, my incomplete list:

    Best (no order)
    1) Scars of Mirrodin
    2) Innistrad
    3) Rise of the Eldrazi
    4) New Phyrexia
    5) M11

    Worst:
    1) Avacyn Restored
    2) M12



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  • #11
    Quote from Sene
    I would strongly disagree that this was the case, particularly as the block went on. I found that there were plenty of decks to draft, and solid decks at that (though combinations like B/ were still pretty poor), and lots of interesting combos and interactions to build around. In my opinion, the only really unfortunate part of that format was the number of absolutely ridiculous, unbeatable rares, which was high enough to make the format average instead of very good.


    My thoughts exactly. Infect and Metalcraft pushed decks in weird ways that I didn't much care for but the infinite board sweepers and giant insurmountable dudes made it a format of haymakers that left games feeling more like you got beat by a card and not by an archetype. Still the flavor and fun was there.

    Top 5

    Rise of the Eldrazi
    Ravnica
    TSP
    Innistrad (pre Dark Ascension more but good either way)
    Shards (It might not have been well balanced, especially after Alara reborn, but its fun to go 5 color play all the spells!)

    Worst 5

    Avacyn Restored
    Zendikar

    That's it, I think most other formats were playable with some more enjoyable than others. I genuinely didn't have fun playing these two outside of the prerelease and first couple drafts.
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  • #12
    Why are we treating the block as a single format? I personally think that SOM is quite a different format from NMS, even though they are in the same block.
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  • #13
    I just want to say that I liked playing Triple Zendikar drafts. I like fast drafts, and it's the most fun I had drafting.

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  • #14
    Note: Since there were 2 or 3 different formats from most blocks, I'm including only what I consider to be the best one of them. This is to be charitable.

    Also note that my experience with many of these formats is... limited Cool

    Worst (starting with the worstest):

    1. Coldsnap
    2. M10
    3. Avacyn Restored
    4. ZZW (note: this means ZZZ was worse)

    Then there are a bunch of average formats, but nothing really awful, so it's hard to pick a 5th one.

    Best (starting with the best):

    1. TPF
    2. RGD
    3. ROE
    4. III
    5. MD5

    I don't think IPA counts as modern, so I didn't include it, but I think it is very good and would make the list.
  • #15
    Quote from magicmerl
    Why are we treating the block as a single format? I personally think that SOM is quite a different format from NMS, even though they are in the same block.


    This.

    Best 3 single-set formats:
    Triple ROE
    Triple Champions
    Triple TSP

    Worst 3 single-set formats:
    AVR
    Coldsnap
    ZEN

    Best 3 block formats:
    RGD
    TPF
    DII

    Worst 3 block formats:
    ZZW
    LLM
    NBS
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  • #16
    Any combination of Ravnica drafts is up there for me, with full block being far and away the best. I'd really like to switch it up and draft it backwards sometime. I also really liked full-block Mirrodin; adding in Sunburst made for some very interesting and fun decks to draft. Can't think of others that really wow'd me that much. If you expand the question a bit farther back, I'd include Invasion drafting in my top formats.

    Worst (in no particular crappy order):
    Coldsnap
    Full-block Kamigawa (1 or 2 set was ok; better enough to not be in the bottom 5)
    Triple Innistrad (I never got the hang of this format; I went 1-2 more often than anything else)
    M12
    8th/9th edition

    I didn't draft from Lorwyn through Rise more than a couple times per set, so I have no opinion on that era.
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  • #17
    Best (no particular order):
    RGD
    III (though DII is right there with it)
    ROE
    TPF
    MD5

    Worst (again, no particular order):
    AVR
    ZZZ
    M12
    Coldsnap
    CBS
  • #18
    Best: (in order best of best to worst of best)
    1. RAVNICA-GUILDPACT-DISSENTION (yeah I'm bias)
    2. TIMESPIRAL-TIMESPIRAL-TIMESPIRAL
    3. RoE-RoE-RoE
    (after these sets I only can only honestly include sets since scourge because that is the first set I drafted so it is definitely effected by my bias. I wish that we could set up an invasion draft one time as I'm sure that was an awesome draft format.)
    4. Mirrodin-Darksteel-Fifth Dawn
    5. 10th-10th-10th


    Worst: (in order from best of worst to worst of worst)
    5. Lorwyn-Lorwyn-Morningtide
    4. Shadowmoor-Shadowmoor-Eventide
    3. Kamigawa (any form really)
    2. Spanish Homelands (yes we did a Spanish homelands draft once and it was still more fun than Coldsnap draft simply because you had to look up what all the terrible cards were and the draft lasted longer due to more packs passed because homelands packs are only 8 cards.)
    1. Coldsnap-Coldsnap-Coldsnap (seriously dumb, if you haven't played it do it)
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  • #19
    I'll never understand why people didn't like Kamigawa. I've been playing since like 95, and Kamigawa is still one of my favourite blocks in both limited and constructed. It just offered so many cool things to do. Spirits, Splice, the Shrines, the legendary dragons, Spirit/Arcane decks. The only thing I hated about the block was probably the only thing anyone liked about the block, Jitte.

    Top 5:
    Kamigawa Block
    3x Rise of Eldrazi
    Mirrodin Block
    3x Scars
    Ravnica Block

    Bottom 5:
    3x Zendikar
    3x Coldsnap
    3x Worldwake
    Shards block
    3x Shadowmoor

    I love when the blocks/sets let you make a "cohesive" deck. Like you could go with metalcraft in Scars, or Affinity in Mirrodin or spirit/arcane in Kamigawa.

    I personally always HATED infect in limited though. I never understood why people were afraid of it or wanted to play it. Infect wasn't all that great in constructed when you could actually throw in a bunch of pump spells and randomly get that "BOOM! I win!" game. It still had to run a bunch of really crappy creatures, could totally lose the game to 1 well timed removal spell, and could get totally screwed if they managed to have enough chump blockers.

    In limited Infect just seemed even worse. You were just running a bunch of overcosted, underpowered crap. Not to mention that most of the infect decks were really creature light. 1-2 removal spells was usually enough to guarantee a loss, let alone if the opponent had removal AND bigger creatures to block, which pretty much any even semi-functional limited deck did. I never tried playing Infect during Scars block and can't recall ever losing a match to it, and I'm easily the worst player I've ever known. It was like the only deck I could beat in limited.

    Zendikar was hell in limited IMO. After winding up with a completely unplayable pile of crap and having to just drop out before the first round was called twice in a row during trip Zen, I wouldn't even draft if it was trip Zen anymore. It's like everyone was trying to play Allies and since that seemed to be the only thing you could build, I'd always end up with some 3 coloured waste of paper with like only 7 creatures all of which were over 5cc. Lordy, that was awful.
  • #20
    Quote from JollyTheOctopuss
    I'll never understand why people didn't like Kamigawa. I've been playing since like 95, and Kamigawa is still one of my favourite blocks in both limited and constructed.

    COK was a fine set, deck registration issues aside. Jitte was a minor downer. Saviours turned limited into an abomination.

    Here's my worst 5 limited sets (counting only real formats, not things like triple-small set):
    1. ZEN
    2. ZZW
    3. AVR
    4. CBS
    5. Coldsnap

    And the best:
    1. ROE
    2. RAV
    3. RGD
    4. MMD
    5. INN
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  • #21
    Quote from Sene

    1. Time Spiral
    2. Ravnica
    3. Rise of the Eldrazi
    4. Innistrad
    5. Shadowmoor


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    Best
    1. Ravnica (pre M10 rules changes)
    2. Rise of the Eldrazi
    3. Innistrad
    4. Lorwyn
    5. Shadowmoor

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    1. Ravnica
    2. Time Spiral
    3. ROE
    4. Shadowmoor
    5t. Shards of Alara
    5t. Lorwyn
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  • #22
    I've only played DII and AVR so far.

    Why are people listing the core sets as the worst ones?
    They are beginer sets, so are people factoring that in to their rating? or are they just really that bad?

    Part of the reason I think AVR is pretty bad is because I expected more from the final set in Innistrad Block.
    Makes me wish I got back into magic last fall instead of this spring. Innistrad Woudl have been awesome to play from the start.
  • #23
    Quote from Das_Peacemaker
    I've only played DII and AVR so far.

    Why are people listing the core sets as the worst ones?
    They are beginer sets, so are people factoring that in to their rating? or are they just really that bad?

    Part of the reason I think AVR is pretty bad is because I expected more from the final set in Innistrad Block.
    Makes me wish I got back into magic last fall instead of this spring. Innistrad Woudl have been awesome to play from the start.


    Core set can be a mixed bag; for some people, the straightforward nature of the format is refreshing from the 'gimmicky' block sets, and for other that translates to 'boring'. The pace can vary wildly too; M11 was a fun set to draft, while M12 got a lot of criticism because it felt like 2cc.dec half the time (or am I misremembering? I missed M12, so this is second hand). Lately though it feels like Wizards has been pushing core set to include more complicated and flashy cards, if not keywords; see the return of Rancor and Vampire Nighthawk in M13 for instance.
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  • #24
    Best:
    Ravnica
    Time Spiral
    Lorwyn
    Rise of the Eldrazi
    Zendikar (sue me, I like landfall)

    Worst:
    Avacyn Restored (everyone knows the top picks, so even an experienced drafter can get shut out often)
    M10,M11 (uhhh..so boring)
    Mirrodin Besieged/New Phyrexia
  • #25
    Quote from Das_Peacemaker
    Why are people listing the core sets as the worst ones?
    They are beginer sets, so are people factoring that in to their rating?

    Personally, my ratings are how much I enjoyed playing the format. Even if Core Set is great for beginners it doesn't make the list, for the same reason that baby rice doesn't make my list of favourite foods.
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