I think they knew that their 8 tix phantom cues were TRASH. They're probably rethinking the entire format. Play 'em at 4 tix while you can. I just finished my third 4 Tix Phantom RTR Sealed. Got much better the last two tournaments.
Pack Rat is a house. Barely beat it in the finals just now. Out raced it with Teleport and then 3rd game my opponent got color screwed.
My concern would be that the price is getting too low. MTGO only works because each player has a stake in the game -- both an upfront investment, and playing for prizes. If you make the entry too low (i.e. $4) and the prizes too small (i.e. only 3-0 profits) then I'm worried that players will just quit after going 0-1, or maybe even 1-0 if they don't really like their deck. It's just four bucks, it's unlikely to turn a profit anyway, it's pretty easy to walk away. Long term that will harm the quality of play.
Short version: As the cost of Sealed approaches zero, the competitive level approaches Casual, and the format carries all the rigor of kitchen table Magic which isn't the type of experience I've come to expect from MTGO Limited tournaments.
I dont have an MTGO account, so I need someone to answer this for me. Is this a standard 6 pack phantom sealed even with a 4$ entry fee and a 3 pack prize for first place? If so I may buy an account just to do these, 4$ to learn limited and prizes seems good to me.
I dont have an MTGO account, so I need someone to answer this for me. Is this a standard 6 pack phantom sealed even with a 4$ entry fee and a 3 pack prize for first place? If so I may buy an account just to do these, 4$ to learn limited and prizes seems good to me.
Yes. It's only 3 rounds though, not 4 like the traditional sealed deck tournaments. You will get 3 packs for 3-0 record, and 1 pack for a 2-1 record.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
All you have to do to break almost even is do 2-1? This sounds appealing, are these scheduled or do they just happen when enough people join the queue?
And it fires often. RtR queus are firing <10 minutes. You don't 'break even' when going 2-1, because if you try to sell the packs to the bots, they will offer you less than 4 tix. However, +/- $1 to practise sealed, and have fun playing magic == seriously good value to me.
I've been grinding these, trying to get to 15 QPs for the force of will. Up to 9 now. The competition is mixed. You will have the occasional no-show or the occasional new player, but very often you'll be playing against very real, very scary decks piloted by competent players. I did manage to beat a turn two (or was it three?) pack rat with a nut selesneya draw of turn one dryad, turn two call of the conclave, turn three selesneya sentry, just beating every single turn and he had to take it all because he couldn't afford to lose his rats. Was a close one.
I've been grinding these, trying to get to 15 QPs for the force of will. Up to 9 now. The competition is mixed. You will have the occasional no-show or the occasional new player, but very often you'll be playing against very real, very scary decks piloted by competent players. I did manage to beat a turn two (or was it three?) pack rat with a nut selesneya draw of turn one dryad, turn two call of the conclave, turn three selesneya sentry, just beating every single turn and he had to take it all because he couldn't afford to lose his rats. Was a close one.
I beat Pack Rat two out of three games the final round of one by out-racing a turn 2 pack rat once and outright killing a foolishly-played turn 4 pack rat once. I've decided that like the other threads on the subject, I think Pack Rat is kind of overrated. When it's unbeatable it's unbeatable, but it's only unbeatable 50% of the time or less.
I wasn't planning on playing in the MOCS this go around. The prize is awesome, but at the time I was kind of over Magic Online for taking away the 4-Pack Sealed events. I loved those. Then last weekend, I decided to play some drafts. I won a few of them and decided to just roll with it. In the last week I've picked up 13 Qualifier points, a couple from these Phantom Sealed events. Now it's likely I'll hit 15 points and I have to worry about getting a Legacy deck together... and learning the format. Ugh. Why can't it be limited?!!
I wasn't planning on playing in the MOCS this go around. The prize is awesome, but at the time I was kind of over Magic Online for taking away the 4-Pack Sealed events. I loved those. Then last weekend, I decided to play some drafts. I won a few of them and decided to just roll with it. In the last week I've picked up 13 Qualifier points, a couple from these Phantom Sealed events. Now it's likely I'll hit 15 points and I have to worry about getting a Legacy deck together... and learning the format. Ugh. Why can't it be limited?!!
Even if you won half your events you'd have to play 26 events to win 13 points in a week. That's alot!
I wasn't planning on playing in the MOCS this go around. The prize is awesome, but at the time I was kind of over Magic Online for taking away the 4-Pack Sealed events. I loved those. Then last weekend, I decided to play some drafts. I won a few of them and decided to just roll with it. In the last week I've picked up 13 Qualifier points, a couple from these Phantom Sealed events. Now it's likely I'll hit 15 points and I have to worry about getting a Legacy deck together... and learning the format. Ugh. Why can't it be limited?!!
Even if you won half your events you'd have to play 26 events to win 13 points in a week. That's alot!
I'm not sure how many events I've played. I may be winning more than half of my events. I know two of the points came from going 3-1 in Scheduled Events. I haven't won more than 1 point per event yet, tho. Also, since I posted that, I've won another event. So I'm at 14 Qualifier points.
I'm not sure how many events I've played. I may be winning more than half of my events. I know two of the points came from going 3-1 in Scheduled Events. I haven't won more than 1 point per event yet, tho. Also, since I posted that, I've won another event. So I'm at 14 Qualifier points.
You say elves, urafever? I was thinking burn.
Are you trying to build the cheapest deck possible? Or are you trying to build the cheapest deck that might actually win the tournament? If you're serious about really winning the thing, you would play elves and not burn. You have a 0% chance of winning the mocs with burn.
A draft does give out 24 packs worth of cards also. You have to factor this in when computing the amount of money WotC gets. If you figure that an open pack is worth half of a closed pack, and a closed pack is worth 4 tx, then the draft only makes Wizards $16, which is not that much more than the Sealed event.
Not only that, but it allows people to get confidence cheaply and move up to the "proper" events when they don't feel they're just throwing away a lot of money.
They make no profit on the tourney practice room either, but the site would fail without it!
Not only that, but it allows people to get confidence cheaply and move up to the "proper" events when they don't feel they're just throwing away a lot of money.
They make no profit on the tourney practice room either, but the site would fail without it!
As explained before, Wizards actually makes a minimum of $64 from draft events. They make a maximum of $32 from 4 ticket sealed, but to make that much, people have to open all of the awarded packs and do nothing else with them. More typically, those packs will be used as entrance fees to future events and wizards will actually make $8 from 4 ticket sealed.
If Wizards retains 4 ticket sealed indefinitely, then they're being very generous.
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Pack Rat is a house. Barely beat it in the finals just now. Out raced it with Teleport and then 3rd game my opponent got color screwed.
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Short version: As the cost of Sealed approaches zero, the competitive level approaches Casual, and the format carries all the rigor of kitchen table Magic which isn't the type of experience I've come to expect from MTGO Limited tournaments.
Yes. It's only 3 rounds though, not 4 like the traditional sealed deck tournaments. You will get 3 packs for 3-0 record, and 1 pack for a 2-1 record.
I beat Pack Rat two out of three games the final round of one by out-racing a turn 2 pack rat once and outright killing a foolishly-played turn 4 pack rat once. I've decided that like the other threads on the subject, I think Pack Rat is kind of overrated. When it's unbeatable it's unbeatable, but it's only unbeatable 50% of the time or less.
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Even if you won half your events you'd have to play 26 events to win 13 points in a week. That's alot!
Play elves in legacy.
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I'm not sure how many events I've played. I may be winning more than half of my events. I know two of the points came from going 3-1 in Scheduled Events. I haven't won more than 1 point per event yet, tho. Also, since I posted that, I've won another event. So I'm at 14 Qualifier points.
You say elves, urafever? I was thinking burn.
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Are you trying to build the cheapest deck possible? Or are you trying to build the cheapest deck that might actually win the tournament? If you're serious about really winning the thing, you would play elves and not burn. You have a 0% chance of winning the mocs with burn.
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Not only that, but it allows people to get confidence cheaply and move up to the "proper" events when they don't feel they're just throwing away a lot of money.
They make no profit on the tourney practice room either, but the site would fail without it!
As explained before, Wizards actually makes a minimum of $64 from draft events. They make a maximum of $32 from 4 ticket sealed, but to make that much, people have to open all of the awarded packs and do nothing else with them. More typically, those packs will be used as entrance fees to future events and wizards will actually make $8 from 4 ticket sealed.
If Wizards retains 4 ticket sealed indefinitely, then they're being very generous.