I kept a slow hand game 1 with several heroic enablers and a Staunch-Hearted Warrior (hereby referred to as SHW). Not the best idea. He went T4 SHW, T5 Lightning Strike on my SHW, Heroic and swing for 10. T6 heroic and swing for 12.
Game 2 and 3 were uneventful with him being put on the defensive and not being able to deal with 2 4/4 Wingsteed Riders.
Game 1 he T1 Thoughtseizes my Wingsteed Rider, but he gets stuck on three lands for a while. I have few impactful early plays and have issues getting through his Guardians of Meletis and get him down to 10 before he rips lands and stabilizes. Insatiable Harpy followed by three Gray Merchants take me out in no time.
Game 2 he gets stuck on two lands. I put out a SHW and heroic twice on T5 and he scoops.
Game 3 He T2 Thoughtseizes my Wingsteed Rider. Throws down Insatiable Harpy on T4 and Gray Merchant on T5. I have a few beat-sticks on the ground and alpha strike several turns in a row forcing him to chump with Singers, his 0/6 Defender, and the Merchant. I have a 12/12 non-trample SHW after he continues to chump while hitting me with Harpy down to 2 life. He's at 7. I'm waiting for a Griptide/Voyage's End/SGR/Merchant to put me down. He doesn't draw them and I God's Willing, naming black, on the SHW and swing for the win.
He was running 17 lands and added an 18th in game 3. I'm thinking I should not have won this round, but it happened and I'm not complaining.
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What's your opinion/experience with Staunch-Hearted Warrior? It's slow, of course, but can get out of hand quickly.
The thing about Staunch-Hearted Warrior is that it's one of those cards you're more likely to find yourself considering cutting than considering whether to pick. They don't go early, so if you have a deck that wants them you'll probably be able to pick up any that you see without sacrificing much.
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Is there a draftcap? I don't see one in the post-- am I missing something obvious?
No, this is one of those classic "Check out my awesome deck and accept it as validation of my skill" types of posts. We've all been tempted to show off when we win events, but in spite of there now being a bragging thread for such things (this is not, as the title might imply, an entreaty to discuss the merits of GW Heroic as an archetype; it's a peacock act, no more), threads of this ilk show up every now and again.
To the OP, congrats on your win, I guess. Not really sure what the point of any of this is, though; yeah, Heroic is a deck. Yeah, it's powerful when you get a critical mass of both enablers and aggressive Heroic bodies. Can we just move on from this drudgery and actually discuss more meaningful format evaluations?
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My apologies for not keeping this to the bragging thread--I assure you my intention was not to brag, but genuinely curious as to how often drafting G/W heroic can be viable. White heroics are always taken for red first and foremost.
Semantics, my new tag for you is the unofficial MTGS curmudgeon. Most posts I see by you are unashamedly negative.
And there is no draftcap because this was not online.
I've been the forum curmudgeon for quite some time now, actually. Thanks for titling me, for what it's worth.
I have no interest in belittling anyone's successes, but I find these types of threads silly, as they don't really provide a solid basis for discussion given the general paucity of data. If you had drafted this archetype a bunch of times and had a good primer or some strong, evidence driven evaluations, it'd be significantly valuable.
As I said, congrats on the win, in any case.
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I don't know about "silly" as such. The reason I have reservations about "I did a draft, here's my deck" appearing in the main forum is because there are a lot of users here, so if everyone starts a new thread to say "Hey, I won a draft!" threads get pushed off the front page really quickly, which is a nuisance for people who don't log on every day.
A thread discussing (say) G/W as an archetype is definitely welcome, though. In order to avoid having it mistaken for a bragging thread (because honestly, we get a lot of those) I'd recommend:
* Talking about the proposed archetype in general terms rather than posting a specific decklist.
* If you really feel a list clarifies the point your making then OK, post one, but do a quick check first to make sure it isn't stuffed full of high pick cards. If I look at an example list and it starts with "3x Wingsteed Rider" that doesn't communicate anything about archetypes to me!
* If the thread is really about an archetype and not about a specific draft then match reports probably don't belong in the post except for games which illustrate some specific strength or weakness of the archetype.
I always have some reservations about making posts which say "hey, don't do that", because it does sound negative. I don't feel that way about this thread really - all posts about Limited are good to see. The trouble is that if nothing is said then other users reading the thread may feel inspired to post one of their own and it quickly gets out of hand.
(Admittedly I do think the bragging thread is rather aggressively named. I wonder the name might conceivably put some people from using it?)
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I guess it worked for you but most of the times you don't want to have many 4 and 5 drops in such decks. Never tried the GW heroic deck yet.
One thing is sure, you don't want a Vanquish the Foul in your main.
This is true. Additionally, Nykthos looks fairly terrible here.
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Looks a bit slow for a heroic deck. W/G is not really my favorite combination for the heroic deck, the green heroic creatures are bad, staunch-hearted warrior can be 'ok' in this specific type of deck but i much rather have blue or red as second color. They are faster and much better at being aggressive, plus there are great gold WU or WR cards you want in this type of deck.
Always a bit worrisome such a list though when you run into someone with plenty of last breaths, pharika's cure's etc.
How do you get 3x Wingsteed Rider? I've seen maybe 1 of them in my last 3 drafts combined
Pretty much this; the deck isn't a good test of g/w heroic as an archetype because you could pair just about anything with 3x wingsteed, dauntless assault, and gods willing and 3-0.
I stopped reading at 3x wingsteed rider. That really says everything there is to say.
Ah how I long for the halcyon days of the MTGO pre-release drafts, where Phalanx Leaders and Wingsteed Riders were 5th picks and you could wheel Gods Willings for days!
Seriously, even when I'm going for white heroic from the start, I have not gotten more than a single Wingsteed in my deck since the early release days, and I tend to first pick those guys way more than I should.
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3x Wingsteed Rider
2x Staunch-Hearted Warrior
2x Nessian Courser
2x Sedge Scorpion
1x Nessian Asp
1x Leafcrown Dryad
1x Nylea's Emissary
1x Centaur Battlemaster
2x Feral Invocation
2x Warrior's Lesson
2x Savage Surge
1x Vanquish the Foul
1x Ordeal of Nylea
1x Gods Willing
1x Dauntless Onslaught
8x Plains
8x Forest
1x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
Round 1: R/G Heroic
Game 2 and 3 were uneventful with him being put on the defensive and not being able to deal with 2 4/4 Wingsteed Riders.
1-0
Round 2: U/R Fliers
Game 3 He couldn't get anything started and dies quickly to a pumped STW.
2-0
Round 3: U/B Merchant
Before I begin--a bit about his deck--2 Insatiable Harpy, 2 Disciple of Phenax, 2 Shipwreck Singer, Thoughtseize, 3 Gray Merchant of Asphodel, Griptide, Voyage's End, Sea God's Revenge.
It was disgusting.
Game 2 he gets stuck on two lands. I put out a SHW and heroic twice on T5 and he scoops.
Game 3 He T2 Thoughtseizes my Wingsteed Rider. Throws down Insatiable Harpy on T4 and Gray Merchant on T5. I have a few beat-sticks on the ground and alpha strike several turns in a row forcing him to chump with Singers, his 0/6 Defender, and the Merchant. I have a 12/12 non-trample SHW after he continues to chump while hitting me with Harpy down to 2 life. He's at 7. I'm waiting for a Griptide/Voyage's End/SGR/Merchant to put me down. He doesn't draw them and I God's Willing, naming black, on the SHW and swing for the win.
He was running 17 lands and added an 18th in game 3. I'm thinking I should not have won this round, but it happened and I'm not complaining.
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What's your opinion/experience with Staunch-Hearted Warrior? It's slow, of course, but can get out of hand quickly.
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With 7+ heroic enablers, they are solid. The real trick to your deck is that you only had 2 creatures > 4 mana.
Also, could we keep draftcaps to the draftcaps subforum please? (Or optionally the bragging thread for most 3-0 decks.)
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No, this is one of those classic "Check out my awesome deck and accept it as validation of my skill" types of posts. We've all been tempted to show off when we win events, but in spite of there now being a bragging thread for such things (this is not, as the title might imply, an entreaty to discuss the merits of GW Heroic as an archetype; it's a peacock act, no more), threads of this ilk show up every now and again.
To the OP, congrats on your win, I guess. Not really sure what the point of any of this is, though; yeah, Heroic is a deck. Yeah, it's powerful when you get a critical mass of both enablers and aggressive Heroic bodies. Can we just move on from this drudgery and actually discuss more meaningful format evaluations?
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Semantics, my new tag for you is the unofficial MTGS curmudgeon. Most posts I see by you are unashamedly negative.
And there is no draftcap because this was not online.
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Under Construction:
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Cube:
WUBRGX Pauper XGRBUW
I have no interest in belittling anyone's successes, but I find these types of threads silly, as they don't really provide a solid basis for discussion given the general paucity of data. If you had drafted this archetype a bunch of times and had a good primer or some strong, evidence driven evaluations, it'd be significantly valuable.
As I said, congrats on the win, in any case.
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I don't know about "silly" as such. The reason I have reservations about "I did a draft, here's my deck" appearing in the main forum is because there are a lot of users here, so if everyone starts a new thread to say "Hey, I won a draft!" threads get pushed off the front page really quickly, which is a nuisance for people who don't log on every day.
A thread discussing (say) G/W as an archetype is definitely welcome, though. In order to avoid having it mistaken for a bragging thread (because honestly, we get a lot of those) I'd recommend:
* Talking about the proposed archetype in general terms rather than posting a specific decklist.
* If you really feel a list clarifies the point your making then OK, post one, but do a quick check first to make sure it isn't stuffed full of high pick cards. If I look at an example list and it starts with "3x Wingsteed Rider" that doesn't communicate anything about archetypes to me!
* If the thread is really about an archetype and not about a specific draft then match reports probably don't belong in the post except for games which illustrate some specific strength or weakness of the archetype.
I always have some reservations about making posts which say "hey, don't do that", because it does sound negative. I don't feel that way about this thread really - all posts about Limited are good to see. The trouble is that if nothing is said then other users reading the thread may feel inspired to post one of their own and it quickly gets out of hand.
(Admittedly I do think the bragging thread is rather aggressively named. I wonder the name might conceivably put some people from using it?)
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This is true. Additionally, Nykthos looks fairly terrible here.
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Always a bit worrisome such a list though when you run into someone with plenty of last breaths, pharika's cure's etc.
Pretty much this; the deck isn't a good test of g/w heroic as an archetype because you could pair just about anything with 3x wingsteed, dauntless assault, and gods willing and 3-0.
Ah how I long for the halcyon days of the MTGO pre-release drafts, where Phalanx Leaders and Wingsteed Riders were 5th picks and you could wheel Gods Willings for days!
Seriously, even when I'm going for white heroic from the start, I have not gotten more than a single Wingsteed in my deck since the early release days, and I tend to first pick those guys way more than I should.