Well acually sometimes you need to counter him.
Once the balustrade spy resolves, unless ou stifle the effect (ain't happening oten), the guy gets 4 narco's most of the time. One will flashback a cabal therapy naming, dunno, FoW or the likes. The other three will bring back your win con. If its a laboratory maniac win, it even dodges one removal.
Countering that guy was often a good idea if your only out was FoW.
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The 3/2 1RR Mindsparker's 2-damage trigger (which goes off whenever opponents cast white or blue instant/sorcery spells) screws over High Tide or makes it get bounced. ...Better off boarding in Pyrostatic Pillar, right?
Artificer's Hex is quite interesting. It destroys whatever is attached to the enchanted equipment at the beginning of your upkeep. For only B, will this be a viable bandage fix for all of Black's Umezawa's Jitte and Batterskull needs? (...Well, keeping Artificer's Hex on the Batterskull is much easier said than done...)
Looks like this card is still being under-rated even with multiple Pros talking it up so high for weeks now.
While I think Pyromancer is probably the weakest of the five, it's pretty close to Snapcaster power level, imo, and much closer to Goyf than people realize. Essentially in nearly every Legacy deck, you'll be getting a Goyf except it's split into multiple creatures. Pyromancer does everything those other do and that's "abuse it's roll" being Legacy decks are full of cheap instants/sorceries. Remember, like Pyromancer, Goyf also requires card use or "movement" which naturally happens in a format like Legacy.
Pyromancer will more than likely be used with Stoneforge at minimum. Then use the 1/1s with equipment similar to how Lingering Souls has been used. The main difference being no evasion, but I have a feeling the sheer amount of power/toughness generated from a single Pyromancer (with a TOTAL cost of TWO) will more than make up for the evasion. We'll see. But Pyromancer is definitely Legacy material with a chance in Modern/Standard.
It's an instant speed 5/5 trampler for 4. Wtf do you people want seriously? It has applications in populate/ above the curve beats decks, or in Bant control/ flash. I seriously think anyone mad at this card for any reason other than losing an attacker to instant speed wurm, should go home and make their own awesome card game and leave the rest of us alone.
I don't know. It's much slower than the other cards. Snapcaster is a mana hog, but he has immediate impact pretty much all by himself. There's not much point in casting him early anyway, as he will need something to flash back. Tarmogoyf requires a bit of a waiting period in the early game, but not much of one: and in the late game he's an instant behemoth. Confidant cantrips the very next turn.
Any one of these creatures has one very special feature: when ripped off the top as each player starts to run out of gas, with the game devolving into a topdeck war, they are golden. One's chances are undeniably far better than they were just a moment before.
That's not true of the Young Pyromancer. He's a Goblin Piker. I'm sure he'll have some success in various decks, and when he's working well I'm sure it'll be obscene. I just don't think he deserves to be mentioned in the same class as those other pillars of the format.
when he enters play hes a 2/1 thats easily removed. after 3+ procs, hes a 2/1 thats easily removed. all of his tokens are easily removed by numerous mass effect spells. he might have some success in burn, but i dont know if he'll have a great splash in legacy. goyf can flip a game with no other cards in your hand. chang does the same thing. bob refills that hand. sfm fetches and plays equips. no contest imo.
I tried Young Pyromancer in Grixis Thresh and Team Italia BWR Stoneblade.
YP was awesome in Grixis Thresh. I could protect it pretty well with Force of Will and preemptive Thoughtseize, and making 3-4 tokens off an early one was fairly common. If they couldn't remove him the first time, I tended to make substantial hay before they could kill him the second time with a strong Stifle and Wasteland mana denial package. Late-game, the deck generally topdecked well enough that I could still make at least 1-2 tokens off it. The best part is that I can stick Bob in the same deck!
YP sucked substantially more in Team Italia. I think I put around 18 instants/sorceries in that deck, but I often got only 1 token off an early one. This guy does not play nice with proactive protection like targeted discard--sure, he gets to survive, but as a 2/1 instead of a semi-5/6.
Ironically, I tested Chandra, Pyromaster in the same Team Italia deck, and she was substantially better than YP whenever she landed. She kills enough of the format to matter, she's decent at handling planeswalkers, and her +0 can save you from behind or shove you ahead against combo, rather like Jace TMS's +0. She definitely has trouble protecting herself (she can only kill X/1's or try flipping answers in desperation), and her +0 sucks when I have 0-1 mana open after playing her, but at least she's fairly hard to kill in one shot at her typical 4-5 loyalty. So far, I'm lucky she hasn't flipped Batterskull yet.
Pyromancer will more than likely be used with Stoneforge at minimum. Then use the 1/1s with equipment similar to how Lingering Souls has been used. The main difference being no evasion, but I have a feeling the sheer amount of power/toughness generated from a single Pyromancer (with a TOTAL cost of TWO) will more than make up for the evasion. We'll see. But Pyromancer is definitely Legacy material with a chance in Modern/Standard.
Go back to the 1st page. I said it myself the card is Legacy playable.
What I'm laughing at is the fact that he's being compared to Goyf, Snapcaster, SFM and Dark Confidant. He is not nearly as powerful as these cards mentioned, anyone who thinks so, well, they deserve to be laughed at.
Ironically, I tested Chandra, Pyromaster in the same Team Italia deck, and she was substantially better than YP whenever she landed. She kills enough of the format to matter, she's decent at handling planeswalkers, and her +0 can save you from behind or shove you ahead against combo, rather like Jace TMS's +0. She definitely has trouble protecting herself (she can only kill X/1's or try flipping answers in desperation), and her +0 sucks when I have 0-1 mana open after playing her, but at least she's fairly hard to kill in one shot at her typical 4-5 loyalty. So far, I'm lucky she hasn't flipped Batterskull yet.
I think shes no jace, but i really like the new chandra. if i ran red splash in a deck, i'd experiment with her.
i agree with dynes laughter on YP...lets face it, hes really cool, and fits a niche role, but all the others have an immediate game impact throughout the game. YP has zero impact late game, and variable impact early.
I'm not dissing on young pyromancer, but does anyone else think that quicken might be better than it in legacy?
The only thing I really see with Quicken, is for an extra man you can green sun in response to declaring attackers, you can end of turn ponder, end of turn show and tell if you've got the mana, turn 2 thoughtseize in response to draw, and it draws a card, even if you cast it by itself.
If I've got this in a blue deck with nothing really else, I could see myself casting it at the beginning of an opponent's upkeep just to scare them a little, or in mid combo of something--if there are sorcery cards that might effect them.
I'm not dissing on young pyromancer, but does anyone else think that quicken might be better than it in legacy?
The only thing I really see with Quicken, is for an extra man you can green sun in response to declaring attackers, you can end of turn ponder, end of turn show and tell if you've got the mana, turn 2 thoughtseize in response to draw, and it draws a card, even if you cast it by itself.
If I've got this in a blue deck with nothing really else, I could see myself casting it at the beginning of an opponent's upkeep just to scare them a little, or in mid combo of something--if there are sorcery cards that might effect them.
Quicken is a reprint. The only time I've seen it played was I believe in TEPS back in old extended for the mirror match. Your opponent starts comboing off, you cast quicken as a cantrip early on. In response to their lethal Tendrils, you cast one of your own.
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YP was awesome in Grixis Thresh. I could protect it pretty well with Force of Will and preemptive Thoughtseize, and making 3-4 tokens off an early one was fairly common. If they couldn't remove him the first time, I tended to make substantial hay before they could kill him the second time with a strong Stifle and Wasteland mana denial package. Late-game, the deck generally topdecked well enough that I could still make at least 1-2 tokens off it. The best part is that I can stick Bob in the same deck!
I gotta second this. YP makes a ton of tokens with little fuss in a thresh style build. Sure he dies to a stiff breeze but that's why you have Force of Will, Daze, and Spell Pierce to protect him. And he makes tokens while you do this! He also has sick synergy with Cabal Therapy as well. Dark Confidant in that deck also serves to refill the hand to insure constant token production. The tokens also encourage you to hold threats in your hand to avoid over extending. YP looks like a winner. Now to take it to a local tournament...
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Go back to the 1st page. I said it myself the card is Legacy playable.
What I'm laughing at is the fact that he's being compared to Goyf, Snapcaster, SFM and Dark Confidant. He is not nearly as powerful as these cards mentioned, anyone who thinks so, well, they deserve to be laughed at.
I'm willing to bet that he rivals goyf in a tempo shell.
I think that Grixis could do really well with him. Bob, YP, Delver as your beats. Daze, FOW, Thoughtseize, Bolt, Brainstorm,
Seems strong to me. If I could afford Useas, I'd build it.
Edit: In retrospect. I am too used to vintage where its okay to play FOW and bob together. I guess you could put in Cabal Therapy instead here.
Imposing Sovereign looks like the only "new" card with any potential, the rest are just "meh". This guy though, I wonder what the Death and Taxes players are considering & if they're testing him at all, though I don't know D & T decks enough to actually know the answer as to whether or not, this guy will see play in it.
Imposing Sovereign looks like the only "new" card with any potential, the rest are just "meh". This guy though, I wonder what the Death and Taxes players are considering & if they're testing him at all, though I don't know D & T decks enough to actually know the answer as to whether or not, this guy will see play in it.
Nah, D&T won't want him. There are other taxes that are more versatile and make him pretty redundant. In general I feel the card wants more of an aggressive shell, which D&T just doesn't actually provide.
I'm willing to bet that he rivals goyf in a tempo shell.
I think that Grixis could do really well with him. Bob, YP, Delver as your beats. Daze, FOW, Thoughtseize, Bolt, Brainstorm,
Seems strong to me. If I could afford Useas, I'd build it.
Edit: In retrospect. I am too used to vintage where its okay to play FOW and bob together. I guess you could put in Cabal Therapy instead here.
I think that idealically, yes, he can be a beast. But the same can be said for Notion Thief; yes, when he works, GG, that was awesome. But hes incredibly dependent on you having a full hand and dumping instants to generate 1/1s. I think he'll be playable, but I'd rather have a goyf on the board than him.
Imposing Sovereign looks like the only "new" card with any potential, the rest are just "meh". This guy though, I wonder what the Death and Taxes players are considering & if they're testing him at all, though I don't know D & T decks enough to actually know the answer as to whether or not, this guy will see play in it.
My problem with sovereign is what do you take out of DNT for him to go in? His effect is annoying for sure, but is he necessary for their deck to merit choosing him over another card? and despite my arguments against YP being a goyf power, hes got potential i feel.
He dies to more readily played removal, cannot win off a top deck, cannot hold back Goblins or Merfolk in the slightest.
Listen, he's good, I said he was good, but needs to built around and has to be in play for him to be of any use later on.
Goyf, does not. He will just be big when you finally play him from playing cards you were going to play anyways.
I'm sure we will see someone top 16 a SCGO with this guy when M14 comes out, but There is no way he will dominate like Goyf.
The top deck statement alone is the biggest concern i have with him. Early game, yeah, he might land you 2-3 creatures, but late game, hes a 2/1 for 2. thats nothing in legacy. he will have a great role in some decks, but i dont think hes on quite as high a seat as everyone is stating
He dies to more readily played removal, cannot win off a top deck, cannot hold back Goblins or Merfolk in the slightest.
Listen, he's good, I said he was good, but needs to built around and has to be in play for him to be of any use later on.
Goyf, does not. He will just be big when you finally play him from playing cards you were going to play anyways.
I'm sure we will see someone top 16 a SCGO with this guy when M14 comes out, but There is no way he will dominate like Goyf.
True, Young Pyromancer doesn't dodge Bolt while Goyf does, but from my testing, Goyf is significantly more vulnerable to Abrupt Decay than YP is. You swing for 2 turns with Goyf and then Goyf dies to removal, your pressure on your opponent vanished. You swing for 2 turns with an early- or mid-game YP (at least in a Thresh deck), and they still have to deal with at least 2 1/1 tokens after Decaying the primary body.
Most of YP's tokens do die trading with a pumped Merfolk lord (or get Islandwalked past), but saying that YP cannot hold back Goblins in the slightest is wrong. Goblins fears swinging into YP far more than swinging into Goyf because its 1/1's and 2/2's get mass traded with YP tokens in 1 turn, while Goblins can swarm around Goyf. The flip side, though, is that YP cannot actually swing into a defensive Goblins formation without getting mass traded away, and YP dies laughably easily to Gempalm Incinerator.
He dies to more readily played removal, cannot win off a top deck, cannot hold back Goblins or Merfolk in the slightest.
Listen, he's good, I said he was good, but needs to built around and has to be in play for him to be of any use later on.
Goyf, does not. He will just be big when you finally play him from playing cards you were going to play anyways.
I'm sure we will see someone top 16 a SCGO with this guy when M14 comes out, but There is no way he will dominate like Goyf.
He obviously is better when built around, but Threshold is the top deck that has to change the least in order to make good use of him. I highly suggest you test him in a threshold shell. He's incredibly powerful, like all the hype he is getting is still probably not enough.
He does a far better job dealing with Abrupt Decay, than Goyf, and while he is worse when it comes to bolt, he trades with most relevant things in the format. He's significantly stronger agaisnt Gravehate making it that only 4 of your 12 creatures fold to a Rest in Peace compared to 8 of 12.
Also two YP's stack, which against any fair deck is only going to be crazy. The only real argument I truly agree with you is that he is a much worse topdeck than goyf. I think its fine against gobbos and fish.
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This is probably the most sense I've seen for this card, as all of these cards are good without this card in this deck, and better with.
Also Sundering Titan seems like a fun one with this
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I see the Oops! decks running a singleton Bridge from Below nowadays meaning they have more than enough fodder to cast all their Cabal Therapies.
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Artificer's Hex is quite interesting. It destroys whatever is attached to the enchanted equipment at the beginning of your upkeep. For only B, will this be a viable bandage fix for all of Black's Umezawa's Jitte and Batterskull needs? (...Well, keeping Artificer's Hex on the Batterskull is much easier said than done...)
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For decks using 3/4 of them, I would look at BUG or Junk ;). It could definitely be a thing, I think.
Looks like this card is still being under-rated even with multiple Pros talking it up so high for weeks now.
While I think Pyromancer is probably the weakest of the five, it's pretty close to Snapcaster power level, imo, and much closer to Goyf than people realize. Essentially in nearly every Legacy deck, you'll be getting a Goyf except it's split into multiple creatures. Pyromancer does everything those other do and that's "abuse it's roll" being Legacy decks are full of cheap instants/sorceries. Remember, like Pyromancer, Goyf also requires card use or "movement" which naturally happens in a format like Legacy.
Pyromancer will more than likely be used with Stoneforge at minimum. Then use the 1/1s with equipment similar to how Lingering Souls has been used. The main difference being no evasion, but I have a feeling the sheer amount of power/toughness generated from a single Pyromancer (with a TOTAL cost of TWO) will more than make up for the evasion. We'll see. But Pyromancer is definitely Legacy material with a chance in Modern/Standard.
Any one of these creatures has one very special feature: when ripped off the top as each player starts to run out of gas, with the game devolving into a topdeck war, they are golden. One's chances are undeniably far better than they were just a moment before.
That's not true of the Young Pyromancer. He's a Goblin Piker. I'm sure he'll have some success in various decks, and when he's working well I'm sure it'll be obscene. I just don't think he deserves to be mentioned in the same class as those other pillars of the format.
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when he enters play hes a 2/1 thats easily removed. after 3+ procs, hes a 2/1 thats easily removed. all of his tokens are easily removed by numerous mass effect spells. he might have some success in burn, but i dont know if he'll have a great splash in legacy. goyf can flip a game with no other cards in your hand. chang does the same thing. bob refills that hand. sfm fetches and plays equips. no contest imo.
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YP was awesome in Grixis Thresh. I could protect it pretty well with Force of Will and preemptive Thoughtseize, and making 3-4 tokens off an early one was fairly common. If they couldn't remove him the first time, I tended to make substantial hay before they could kill him the second time with a strong Stifle and Wasteland mana denial package. Late-game, the deck generally topdecked well enough that I could still make at least 1-2 tokens off it. The best part is that I can stick Bob in the same deck!
YP sucked substantially more in Team Italia. I think I put around 18 instants/sorceries in that deck, but I often got only 1 token off an early one. This guy does not play nice with proactive protection like targeted discard--sure, he gets to survive, but as a 2/1 instead of a semi-5/6.
Ironically, I tested Chandra, Pyromaster in the same Team Italia deck, and she was substantially better than YP whenever she landed. She kills enough of the format to matter, she's decent at handling planeswalkers, and her +0 can save you from behind or shove you ahead against combo, rather like Jace TMS's +0. She definitely has trouble protecting herself (she can only kill X/1's or try flipping answers in desperation), and her +0 sucks when I have 0-1 mana open after playing her, but at least she's fairly hard to kill in one shot at her typical 4-5 loyalty. So far, I'm lucky she hasn't flipped Batterskull yet.
Go back to the 1st page. I said it myself the card is Legacy playable.
What I'm laughing at is the fact that he's being compared to Goyf, Snapcaster, SFM and Dark Confidant. He is not nearly as powerful as these cards mentioned, anyone who thinks so, well, they deserve to be laughed at.
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I think shes no jace, but i really like the new chandra. if i ran red splash in a deck, i'd experiment with her.
i agree with dynes laughter on YP...lets face it, hes really cool, and fits a niche role, but all the others have an immediate game impact throughout the game. YP has zero impact late game, and variable impact early.
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The only thing I really see with Quicken, is for an extra man you can green sun in response to declaring attackers, you can end of turn ponder, end of turn show and tell if you've got the mana, turn 2 thoughtseize in response to draw, and it draws a card, even if you cast it by itself.
If I've got this in a blue deck with nothing really else, I could see myself casting it at the beginning of an opponent's upkeep just to scare them a little, or in mid combo of something--if there are sorcery cards that might effect them.
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Quicken is a reprint. The only time I've seen it played was I believe in TEPS back in old extended for the mirror match. Your opponent starts comboing off, you cast quicken as a cantrip early on. In response to their lethal Tendrils, you cast one of your own.
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I gotta second this. YP makes a ton of tokens with little fuss in a thresh style build. Sure he dies to a stiff breeze but that's why you have Force of Will, Daze, and Spell Pierce to protect him. And he makes tokens while you do this! He also has sick synergy with Cabal Therapy as well. Dark Confidant in that deck also serves to refill the hand to insure constant token production. The tokens also encourage you to hold threats in your hand to avoid over extending. YP looks like a winner. Now to take it to a local tournament...
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I'm willing to bet that he rivals goyf in a tempo shell.
I think that Grixis could do really well with him. Bob, YP, Delver as your beats. Daze, FOW, Thoughtseize, Bolt, Brainstorm,
Seems strong to me. If I could afford Useas, I'd build it.
Edit: In retrospect. I am too used to vintage where its okay to play FOW and bob together. I guess you could put in Cabal Therapy instead here.
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Nah, D&T won't want him. There are other taxes that are more versatile and make him pretty redundant. In general I feel the card wants more of an aggressive shell, which D&T just doesn't actually provide.
I'm willing to bet he doesn't.
He dies to more readily played removal, cannot win off a top deck, cannot hold back Goblins or Merfolk in the slightest.
Listen, he's good, I said he was good, but needs to built around and has to be in play for him to be of any use later on.
Goyf, does not. He will just be big when you finally play him from playing cards you were going to play anyways.
I'm sure we will see someone top 16 a SCGO with this guy when M14 comes out, but There is no way he will dominate like Goyf.
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I think that idealically, yes, he can be a beast. But the same can be said for Notion Thief; yes, when he works, GG, that was awesome. But hes incredibly dependent on you having a full hand and dumping instants to generate 1/1s. I think he'll be playable, but I'd rather have a goyf on the board than him.
My problem with sovereign is what do you take out of DNT for him to go in? His effect is annoying for sure, but is he necessary for their deck to merit choosing him over another card? and despite my arguments against YP being a goyf power, hes got potential i feel.
The top deck statement alone is the biggest concern i have with him. Early game, yeah, he might land you 2-3 creatures, but late game, hes a 2/1 for 2. thats nothing in legacy. he will have a great role in some decks, but i dont think hes on quite as high a seat as everyone is stating
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True, Young Pyromancer doesn't dodge Bolt while Goyf does, but from my testing, Goyf is significantly more vulnerable to Abrupt Decay than YP is. You swing for 2 turns with Goyf and then Goyf dies to removal, your pressure on your opponent vanished. You swing for 2 turns with an early- or mid-game YP (at least in a Thresh deck), and they still have to deal with at least 2 1/1 tokens after Decaying the primary body.
Most of YP's tokens do die trading with a pumped Merfolk lord (or get Islandwalked past), but saying that YP cannot hold back Goblins in the slightest is wrong. Goblins fears swinging into YP far more than swinging into Goyf because its 1/1's and 2/2's get mass traded with YP tokens in 1 turn, while Goblins can swarm around Goyf. The flip side, though, is that YP cannot actually swing into a defensive Goblins formation without getting mass traded away, and YP dies laughably easily to Gempalm Incinerator.
He obviously is better when built around, but Threshold is the top deck that has to change the least in order to make good use of him. I highly suggest you test him in a threshold shell. He's incredibly powerful, like all the hype he is getting is still probably not enough.
He does a far better job dealing with Abrupt Decay, than Goyf, and while he is worse when it comes to bolt, he trades with most relevant things in the format. He's significantly stronger agaisnt Gravehate making it that only 4 of your 12 creatures fold to a Rest in Peace compared to 8 of 12.
Also two YP's stack, which against any fair deck is only going to be crazy. The only real argument I truly agree with you is that he is a much worse topdeck than goyf. I think its fine against gobbos and fish.
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