I know you guys all seen the leyline deck wins deck when it first came out. I built the deck and played casual with it for the past 6 months or so, and always wondered to myself wether or not the deck could ever be competitve. The deck is just far enuf out there in left field that if people werent expecting it it could do very well in a tournement. I swapped some cards put 4-5 one of answers mainboard since they are all tutorable and the deck runs 8 tutor effects. I took it to an out of town tournement were I didnt have a reputaion of playing the cracked out jank that I love to play. there were 24 players, most of whom were running straight netdecks I saw a few of them playtesting and built my sideboard accordingly. so without further adue leyline deck wins. and dont hate me cuz its 61 cards it was too tough to cut anything.
round 1 vs mono black reanimator 2-1
game 1 I get three leylines out and have sterling grove, savannah, opalessence, and crop rotation in the grip i chance it and never draw another land game two and three i just mulligan till I get leyline of the void in grip and autowin
round 2 vs egg tendrills 2-0
game 1 i get an awesome hand of 5 leylines, sanctum, and tutor
i go first tutor and mana burn for 4!! he sees he only has one turn to do anything draws his card and scoops. game two I board in the rule of laws and the ivory masks. I play a second turn rule of law followed by a third turn aura of silence and he picks up his cards.
round 3 vs goblins 2-1
game 1 3 leylines in play , crop rotation, sterling grove, city of bras and tendo ice bridge in grip. he goes first plays goblin lackey yah. I draw and am so delighted to see my draw its none other than sphere of law. I play the city of brass pass turn he hits me for one puts down seige gang. plays wastland and tries to waste my city i rotate it out in response for sanctum play sphere of law second turn and thrird turn i tutor up opalesnce and start mauling him with my 3 4/4s when i drop the 5/5 beatsick priveledged position he picks up his cards cuz he cant rid of the sphere anymore. game 2 i mulligan to 4 just to get a single land and it gets wasted immediatly. on to game three I get the god hand 5 leylines sanctum and opelescence I win first turn.
round 4 vs reset solidarity 2-1
game one 2 leylines, sterling grove, city of solitude and three land in hand third turn city of solitude he draws a bunch of cards in response then cunning wishes for chain of vapor and doesnt have a land drop to play it lol i play sterling grove then 2 turns later ivory mask we go to game two. he combos out on my 2nd turn. game three i get a first turn rule of law followed by a 3rd turn ivory mask then fouth turn opalesnce he cant race me playing one spell per turn
top 4 round 5 vs aggro enchantress 2-1
game one he draws his most of his deck on turn 3 and kills me turn 4 with a ??/?? veduran enchantress with two ancestral masks and a rancor
game 2+3 were such good games that went back and fourth so many times I forgot the details but I remember both games started of bad for him with me playing two aura of silence within the first 4 turns
round 6 vs threshold 1-1-1
I had 3 leylines of the void 1 other leyline, sanctum, and sterling grove x2 in grip . he went first played mongoose with a basic forest and passes i draw opalesence play it first turn he doesnt have the force of will i swing for 16 he shows me his grip of plains, daze, stp x3! we go to game 2 he just counters every spell i play and thugstomps me. game 3 he says hes tired and wants to go home it was like 1:45 am. and offers a draw i accept
Holy crap! I am so proud of the deck - I knew it had potential (wins first turn) - but didn't know if it could be competitive either. I commend you for bringing it to a tournament!
I had no idea it could draw so well so often!!! God this deck deserves more effort - I will try to help test it in the future and I hope you are able to bring it to more tournaments as well...
Once again, I'm very proud and good work in the tournament, CSS! Well done!
While netdecking and testing VileHorror i thought about Biorhythm. Sure its really expensive, off-color and crappy but still you're always the one with creatures while playing VH. That made me think.
Hmmm the deck sure looks interesting. But there is still lots that can be done with it. I think focus is what the deck needs most now. The one-off enchantments are all quite promising on their own, but there has to be a way to bring it more together.
Anyhow, congrats on your rather victorious tourney, looks like it was FNM, am i correct?
Im gonna look at this when im at home a little bit better. The chance you get nerfed with too little leylines in starting hand is there. Mulligans can of course save you from such nasty predicaments, but after that you need ways to bounce back and fill your hand.
Oh yeah!:D That it won a tournament made me happy, as I was one of the many people who independently came up with the combo when Leyllines came out.
I thought I'd post my list. I have made the deck in reality, and I can attest that it is amazingly fun and more consistent than you would think (about 60%-70% chance of insane beats within first 3 turns). You may criticise me for using Serum Powder, but I have tested and found that they work well for me in a deck so reliant on a good opening hand. I have read the previous thread but didn't want to necro it. Also, I realise that Spoils of the Vault is an auto-loss against aggro; they would probably be Sterling Groves, but I cannot obtain them at the moment.
To be able to maindeck Leyline of the Void is truly one of the decks greatest strengths!
Try out Sylvan Library, it's good because it fixes your combo, then helps with the beats afterwards.
1 Leyline of Singularity: I felt I needed at least 17 Leylines, and 1 copy doesn't usually cause any problems. Sometimes it hurts your opponent too!
Artifact Lands: I am always finding myself Enlightening for mana. The blue one is probably a dubious choice and I may remove it...It stems from one time when I really needed to cast Singularity to take out a token swarm:o
In closing, totalling your opponent before they have a chance to do anything about it: priceless:cool:
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I have one question: You play leyline of the meek, but you don't play any token creators
Last time i checked mobilization was a token maker.
some of my success with the deck had to do with a couple of gentlemans mulligans i got that night. every one was getting crappy hands so both players would draw seven again. and the fact that i am the top deck champion of the world. im like babe ruth calling left field.
Well, I definitely have to say that this is interesting and different. I also have to say it's a damn shame that Replenish is banned..
What do you do versus mass enchantment hate? I am aware that you start the game with at least two Leylines in play most of the time, but if someone manages to wipe your board, do you have a way to get your stuff back?
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Last time i checked mobilization was a token maker.
alot of my success with the deck had to do with the number of gentlemans mulligans i got that night every one was getting crappy hands so both players would draw seven again. and the fact that i am the top deck champion of the world. im like babe ruth calling left field.
Sooooo against the rules. I'd contend that this alone negates the validity of this tournament report. "Hey, I'm playing combo and didn't draw it. Let's both draw seven new cards until I do!"
Sooooo against the rules. I'd contend that this alone negates the validity of this tournament report. "Hey, I'm playing combo and didn't draw it. Let's both draw seven new cards until I do!"
Do you honestly think my opponents would just let me draw another hand of seven cards if they were not complelty disgusted with thier opening hand as well. it only happened 3 times and it was to three different opponents. It was a non sanctioned magic tournement anyway.
What do you do versus mass enchantment hate? I am aware that you start the game with at least two Leylines in play most of the time, but if someone manages to wipe your board, do you have a way to get your stuff back?
against naturalize and disenchant most of the time they cant target my stuff because of sterling grove and privilidged position against tranquility or tempest of light i scoop against akromas vengence i should win before they get 6 land in play
Css, youre only working your way down now. When claiming a tournament, many people including myself conclude that you were at least at a FNM with some prize support.
Now, the gatherer is being funky, but im working on a list with my view on the business
Css, youre only working your way down now. When claiming a tournament, many people including myself conclude that you were at least at a FNM with some prize support.
the store were I played at is a new store. it was there first tournement (probly why there were so many players) they havnt got there sanctioning yet I dunno why. there was alot of prize support tho me and the guy i drew with each got 45 dollars store credit for a 5 dollar entry fee.
all I know is the deck works .my results are real. and while alot of you want to discredit me for it not being a sanctioned tournement and cuz of a couple gentlemans mulligans, I stand by my deck and its potential to be a new threat
Except for then you run into the case of consistency issue. While 1 card may not seem much, you can turn your head towards belcher.dec where it is incredible if everything goes right. In most cases however, belcher lack any sort of consistency. Combo deck requires consistency, which is one of the reason solidarity decks are so successful. If you start allowing 'gentlement mulligant' into the equation, you have just dilluted the consistency data.
And to show, in a starting hand with 16 leylines: You are looking at a 1.86 card being leylines. Where if you drop it down to 6 cards it becomes 1.6. While the .2 may not seem much, in a deck that pretty much NEED (impression from the tourny data) to have at least 2 leyline at the start, the consistency is a huge part of this deck.
On a side-note, I thinke this deck should be renamed to "dies to tranquility" no?
Except for then you run into the case of consistency issue. While 1 card may not seem much, you can turn your head towards belcher.dec where it is incredible if everything goes right. In most cases however, belcher lack any sort of consistency. Combo deck requires consistency, which is one of the reason solidarity decks are so important. If you start allowing 'gentlement mulligant' into the equation, you have just dilluted the consistency data.
The deck is fairly consistant And you dont need a pile of leylines opening grip to win its very possible to win w/ 0-2 its just harder and you have to rely on not drawing land after land at that point which did happen to me during game 2 of the thresh match
On a side-note, I thinke this deck should be renamed to "dies to tranquility" no?
yeah it should but who plays tranquility? and when they unban replenish in 1.5 ill laugh at tranquility and tell them they just wasted 3 mana and a card
Why is everyone bothering to spam and b and moan about the fact that he drew an extra card... geez. I guess I'd like to know how often the last card was even a leyline (when it would matter)...
Can everyone just stop arguing; why can't we all just get along? hahah If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all...
What I'm saying is perhaps some constructive criticism would be nice...?
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While netdecking and testing VileHorror i thought about Biorhythm. Sure its really expensive, off-color and crappy but still you're always the one with creatures while playing VH. That made me think.
Why is everyone bothering to spam and b and moan about the fact that he drew an extra card... geez. I guess I'd like to know how often the last card was even a leyline (when it would matter)...
Or a nice land since from his report he seems to get mana screwed. Or Sterling grove and Crop rotation because he seems to open them in every game that he wins. Combo thrives on consistency much more than other archtypes. And from the report, it seems that the only reason he ever lost was because of mana screw. Also, when you fail to follow a tournament circumstances, what makes it different from just you playtesting with your buddy?
Can everyone just stop arguing; why can't we all just get along? hahah If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all...
What I'm saying is perhaps some constructive criticism would be nice...?
Agreed, but as far as from the report, it shows that it's only weakness is being on zero lands. So then I suppose the constructive criticism is run more land.
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While netdecking and testing VileHorror i thought about Biorhythm. Sure its really expensive, off-color and crappy but still you're always the one with creatures while playing VH. That made me think.
4 leyline of lifeforce
4 leyline of the meek
4 leyline of the void
4 leyline of lightning
4 opalescence
4 sterling grove
2 parallax wave
2 privileged position
1 ivory mask
1 city of solitude
1 aura of silence
1 mobilization
1 sphere of law
4 crop rotation
4 enlightened tutor
land
4 serra's sanctom
4 gemstone mine
4 tendo ice bridge
4 citty of brass
4 savannah
2 aura of silence
2 sphere of law
3 city of solitude
1 paralax wave
1 priviledged position
3 rule of law
2 ivory mask
1 moblization
round 1 vs mono black reanimator 2-1
game 1 I get three leylines out and have sterling grove, savannah, opalessence, and crop rotation in the grip i chance it and never draw another land game two and three i just mulligan till I get leyline of the void in grip and autowin
round 2 vs egg tendrills 2-0
game 1 i get an awesome hand of 5 leylines, sanctum, and tutor
i go first tutor and mana burn for 4!! he sees he only has one turn to do anything draws his card and scoops. game two I board in the rule of laws and the ivory masks. I play a second turn rule of law followed by a third turn aura of silence and he picks up his cards.
round 3 vs goblins 2-1
game 1 3 leylines in play , crop rotation, sterling grove, city of bras and tendo ice bridge in grip. he goes first plays goblin lackey yah. I draw and am so delighted to see my draw its none other than sphere of law. I play the city of brass pass turn he hits me for one puts down seige gang. plays wastland and tries to waste my city i rotate it out in response for sanctum play sphere of law second turn and thrird turn i tutor up opalesnce and start mauling him with my 3 4/4s when i drop the 5/5 beatsick priveledged position he picks up his cards cuz he cant rid of the sphere anymore. game 2 i mulligan to 4 just to get a single land and it gets wasted immediatly. on to game three I get the god hand 5 leylines sanctum and opelescence I win first turn.
round 4 vs reset solidarity 2-1
game one 2 leylines, sterling grove, city of solitude and three land in hand third turn city of solitude he draws a bunch of cards in response then cunning wishes for chain of vapor and doesnt have a land drop to play it lol i play sterling grove then 2 turns later ivory mask we go to game two. he combos out on my 2nd turn. game three i get a first turn rule of law followed by a 3rd turn ivory mask then fouth turn opalesnce he cant race me playing one spell per turn
top 4 round 5 vs aggro enchantress 2-1
game one he draws his most of his deck on turn 3 and kills me turn 4 with a ??/?? veduran enchantress with two ancestral masks and a rancor
game 2+3 were such good games that went back and fourth so many times I forgot the details but I remember both games started of bad for him with me playing two aura of silence within the first 4 turns
round 6 vs threshold 1-1-1
I had 3 leylines of the void 1 other leyline, sanctum, and sterling grove x2 in grip . he went first played mongoose with a basic forest and passes i draw opalesence play it first turn he doesnt have the force of will i swing for 16 he shows me his grip of plains, daze, stp x3! we go to game 2 he just counters every spell i play and thugstomps me. game 3 he says hes tired and wants to go home it was like 1:45 am. and offers a draw i accept
I had no idea it could draw so well so often!!! God this deck deserves more effort - I will try to help test it in the future and I hope you are able to bring it to more tournaments as well...
Once again, I'm very proud and good work in the tournament, CSS! Well done!
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Anyhow, congrats on your rather victorious tourney, looks like it was FNM, am i correct?
Im gonna look at this when im at home a little bit better. The chance you get nerfed with too little leylines in starting hand is there. Mulligans can of course save you from such nasty predicaments, but after that you need ways to bounce back and fill your hand.
I thought I'd post my list. I have made the deck in reality, and I can attest that it is amazingly fun and more consistent than you would think (about 60%-70% chance of insane beats within first 3 turns). You may criticise me for using Serum Powder, but I have tested and found that they work well for me in a deck so reliant on a good opening hand. I have read the previous thread but didn't want to necro it. Also, I realise that Spoils of the Vault is an auto-loss against aggro; they would probably be Sterling Groves, but I cannot obtain them at the moment.
To be able to maindeck Leyline of the Void is truly one of the decks greatest strengths!
4 Leyline of the Void
4 Leyline of Lightning
4 Leyline of the Meek
4 Leyline of Lifeforce
1 Leyline of Singularity
4 Opalescence
4 Sylvan Library
4 Crop Rotation
4 Enlightened Tutor
4 Serum Powder
3 Spoils of the Vault
3 Mox Diamond
1 Plunge into Darkness
4 City of Brass
4 Serra's Sanctum
1 Tree of Tales
1 Ancient Den
1 Vault of Whispers
1 Seat of the Synod
1 Leyline of Singularity: I felt I needed at least 17 Leylines, and 1 copy doesn't usually cause any problems. Sometimes it hurts your opponent too!
Artifact Lands: I am always finding myself Enlightening for mana. The blue one is probably a dubious choice and I may remove it...It stems from one time when I really needed to cast Singularity to take out a token swarm:o
In closing, totalling your opponent before they have a chance to do anything about it: priceless:cool:
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We also run Leyline of Lifeforce without any creatures:p
Seriously, the Leylines are this:
Leyline of Whatever 0
Creature - Leyline
Leyline of Whatever has some abilities which
may or may not be relevant.
Leyline of Whatever begins the game in play.
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some of my success with the deck had to do with a couple of gentlemans mulligans i got that night. every one was getting crappy hands so both players would draw seven again. and the fact that i am the top deck champion of the world. im like babe ruth calling left field.
What do you do versus mass enchantment hate? I am aware that you start the game with at least two Leylines in play most of the time, but if someone manages to wipe your board, do you have a way to get your stuff back?
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against naturalize and disenchant most of the time they cant target my stuff because of sterling grove and privilidged position against tranquility or tempest of light i scoop against akromas vengence i should win before they get 6 land in play
Now, the gatherer is being funky, but im working on a list with my view on the business
all I know is the deck works .my results are real. and while alot of you want to discredit me for it not being a sanctioned tournement and cuz of a couple gentlemans mulligans, I stand by my deck and its potential to be a new threat
drawing 6 cards is not a big deal. now if it was down to 5 or 4 then yea i could say this isn't right.
since it was not a sanctioned tourny and both players agreed then the results have to stand the way they are.
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And to show, in a starting hand with 16 leylines: You are looking at a 1.86 card being leylines. Where if you drop it down to 6 cards it becomes 1.6. While the .2 may not seem much, in a deck that pretty much NEED (impression from the tourny data) to have at least 2 leyline at the start, the consistency is a huge part of this deck.
On a side-note, I thinke this deck should be renamed to "dies to tranquility" no?
yeah it should but who plays tranquility? and when they unban replenish in 1.5 ill laugh at tranquility and tell them they just wasted 3 mana and a card
Why not play more than 4 of any card?
This ceased to be a tournament, when you stopped following tournament rules.
Can everyone just stop arguing; why can't we all just get along? hahah If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all...
What I'm saying is perhaps some constructive criticism would be nice...?
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Agreed, but as far as from the report, it shows that it's only weakness is being on zero lands. So then I suppose the constructive criticism is run more land.
can it stop the countering of enchantments when opalessence is in play?
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How does the Opalesence come into play if you can't rotate into Sanctum?
He could simply draw the sanctum =). Crop rotation gives him 8 chances to get a sanctum into play.