Total of 61 cards. the deck is much slower without dark rituals. but the thing is I get really good top decks (of course there are land flood issues). Also, getting triple blacks have been a bit of a problem.
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UUU - Go Go Gadget Ninjitsu! (casual) GGG - Beatdown Elves (casual) (G/R)(G/R)(G/R) - Progenitus/Elfball (legacy) BBB - Crucible Pox (legacy) (B/G)(B/G)(B/G) - Eva Green (legacy)
Is Bob ok at 3-of, or is he needed at 4? I'm just very nervous about running him with Seize, Snuff's, and Fetches. The Jitte is good at remedying this along with the Hawk, but i'm still unsure of the correct quantity. On the same note, is Jitte x2 ok, as i'd really like to run 3.
How vital is Gatekeeper of Malakir? I excluded him in my list as i'm very tight for space, but if he's a must have now, I guess I could drop a Hippie, Stalker, and something else to run him at 2 or 3.
What are people's thought about running Smallpox in here? Does the downside hurt us more than the upside helps?
Bitterblossom with Bob is a no-go, I'm assuming? I'd really like to run both, but I think the life loss will be too great.
Finally, what and how are people sideboarding these days?
Is Bob ok at 3-of, or is he needed at 4? I'm just very nervous about running him with Seize, Snuff's, and Fetches. The Jitte is good at remedying this along with the Hawk, but i'm still unsure of the correct quantity. On the same note, is Jitte x2 ok, as i'd really like to run 3.
How vital is Gatekeeper of Malakir? I excluded him in my list as i'm very tight for space, but if he's a must have now, I guess I could drop a Hippie, Stalker, and something else to run him at 2 or 3.
What are people's thought about running Smallpox in here? Does the downside hurt us more than the upside helps?
Bitterblossom with Bob is a no-go, I'm assuming? I'd really like to run both, but I think the life loss will be too great.
Finally, what and how are people sideboarding these days?
drop the hypnotics for 4 nighthawks, and 3 bitterblossoms.
that would be perfect for this control based meta. bitterblossom will be the first 3 cards for you to drop when you see combo.
i think the general consensus is that everyone is dropping the dark rituals.
I'd say Gatekeeper is not necessary in your build since you've got so many fliers, although the 4th Bob is essential. If you're really nervous about it, then drop Snuff Out for Dismember (flips for 3 off Bob, costs less life) or trade out a couple Siezes for Inquisitions or just add the 4th Nighthawk. The nice thing about Inquisition is that in the mid or late game, life becomes more valuble and you may not want to risk Thoughtseize when they could be baiting it with a land or dead card.
I'd keep the Specters. Bitterblossom+Thoughtseize+Bob+Snuff Out+Fetches=nonbo. Tombstalker with Bob and 3 Bitterblossom alone sounds like a bad plan, although I've never tested all of them in one build, but I see it as if you run Bitterblossom, you'd be more on the side of grinding out the game like The Gate, but with Tombstalkers you want to win now and win fast with Rituals and all, because the longer you play with Bob out, the greater the risk of flipping him.
Is it just me or is dark ritual not good any more? The deck doesn't rely on any other 1 drops really so there's no reason to turn on their missteps.
thats true, but what i realized playing today on cockatrice is that this deck is getting wrecked without dark ritual.
Those stompy decks going off on turn two when they have the play is devastating. you don't have enough speed to keep up with them to get rid of the threat they present.
not sure if i really like jitte and bitterblossom right now either. its just too slow.
Turn 1 Liliana seems really strong but i think you would have to also find room for life from the loam as well. Dont think volrath's stronghold is enough recursion by itself.
After testing with her, she's more of a hindrance than simply running diabolic edict.
With that said, Eva Green is actually looking well-positioned for the meta, given the heavy amounts of hand disruption on top of solid removal and grave-hate options.
I've dropped sinkhole from my lists in favor of maelstrom pulse and bitterblossom/cabal therapy, with solid results. I'll post a list when I get a chance.
I've liked Liliana a lot. In my list, I've built around her a bit, using 7 1cc discard spells (which have been fantastic) to secure the early game along with 2 Phyrexian Arena as Bob 5-6, ensuring that the good draws continue and there's plenty of stuff to feed Liliana. Having more than 4 discard spells is just wonderful vs. combo and control.
// Spells
4 [ROE] Inquisition of Kozilek
4 [BRB] Dark Ritual
4 [FE] Hymn to Tourach
4 [INN] Liliana of the Veil
3 [LRW] Thoughtseize
2 [HOP] Phyrexian Arena
2 ???
I have two slots that I'm sure what to do with. Hypnotic Specters are bad because I already have enough discard, so I've been switching between Reanimate, Nantuko Shade, Jitte or Mirri's Guile. Maybe Bitterblossom to keep spitting out blockers for Liliana, so you can Edict their creature then swing with tokens to win.
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Any suggestions on changes. Please lets not discuss the tombstalker/bob situation.
I'm actuallying thinking of taking bob out for more, stronger creatures. what do you guys think?
IMO you should choose between Bitterblossom and Tombstalker. They fit completely opposite strategies. If you like Bitterblossom better, then you're leaning toward The Gate, so you'd want to cut Tombdaddy for 2 Jittes. If you like Tombstalker, then cut BB's for...I don't know what. Perhaps a third Liliana and...maybe Scavenging Ooze as a 2-of? To serve as a pseudo Goyf 5-6? Bitterblossom is really slow though.
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This is my two cents on eva green. I use to run a 3x Gatekeepers main but have switched two 3x liliana of the veil. Triple Black can be hard for this deck sometimes so its easier on the mana base. Secondly Spell snare is a real card at least in my meta and liliana gets around it. Lastly she is everything this deck wants in a single card. She is creature kill, Discard and a win condition that can be played turn one. I have won games before by +1 for the first three turns and -6 on the fourth.
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If you don't want Rituals, play The Gate with green. Eva Green wants the massive tempo boost that Ritual gives. The Gate wants long-term incremental CA and a better late-game.
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Always ask the stupid questions. Better to find out before you're in a tournament.
You are correct though, Sylvan Library won't help you avoid Bob damage, you need Mirri's Guile (stack your triggers correctly) or Sensei's Top for that.
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I hate to say it, but is this deck dead? I couldn't find any top eight results for the last year... and I'm 5 cards away from finishing the deck. Are you guys still developing this?
Yeah its dead, bring it back (that rhymed). Right around the time Eva Green got good, and I actually it, BUG/Team America came out and just overshadowed this deck. I think that with some new changes it can still be good but it all deends on your meta.
Yeah its dead, bring it back (that rhymed). Right around the time Eva Green got good, and I actually it, BUG/Team America came out and just overshadowed this deck. I think that with some new changes it can still be good but it all deends on your meta.
Lets hope that new removal card is enough to bring this deck back.
What this deck still needs is another creature to side out tombstalker.
Hey guys, been playing legacy elves for awhile now and WBG are my three favorite colors and along with the release of abrupt decay and deathrite shaman i wanted to make a new deck. I posted this as a thread but it seems pretty similar to what's going on in this thread. Here's my take on it.
Control early game with hand disruption/permanent destruction and slowly beat them down with goyf+rancor. White splash allows for Path to exile/swords to plowshares as more removal if necessary.
I had deathrite in their as a mana dork mainly and the backup being slow life loss/life gain to offset bob. I figured between the wasteland/fetches/sinkhole there would be enough lands in the GY for him to be effectively used. And because of vindicate and AD I thought there would be enough permanent variety to keep goyf strong (since deathrite's main targets are lands goyf wouldn't be hurt with the plethora in the GY).
Also, If I were to face combo I could aways side out the AD/vindicate for more hand disruption.
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I personally do not think this deck is dead at all with the additions of Deathrite Shaman, Abrupt Decay and Liliana of the Veil it has a chance to be tier 1/1.5 again. I just piloted it to 1st Place in a local 20 player last Saturday in fact.
Could write a new primer up if there is enough interest.
Eva Green has a lot of problems over the other BG decks. At the moment, there is no reason to be two color over three color. The strongest Eva Green list I have worked with was:
Eva Green has a lot of problems over the other BG decks. At the moment, there is no reason to be two color over three color. The strongest Eva Green list I have worked with was:
suggestions are welcomed.
4x dark confidant
3x gatekeeper of malikar
3x vampire nighthawk
2x tombstalker
4x tarmogoyf
Sorcery (12)
4x hymn to tourach
4x thoughtseize
1x inquisition of kolizek
3x maelstrom pulse
artifacts/enchantments (7)
2x umezawa's jitte
2x pernicious deed
3x bitterblossom
2x krosan grip
3x smothers
Lands (21)
1x urborg, tomb of yawgmoth
4x swamps
4x bayou
1x forest
3x marsh flats
4x verdant catacombs
4x wastelands
3x phyrexian revoker
3x engineered plauge
4x extirpate
1x tormod's crypt
1x pernicious deed
1x krosan grip
1x geth's verdict
1x go for the throat
Total of 61 cards. the deck is much slower without dark rituals. but the thing is I get really good top decks (of course there are land flood issues). Also, getting triple blacks have been a bit of a problem.
UUU - Go Go Gadget Ninjitsu! (casual)
GGG - Beatdown Elves (casual)
(G/R)(G/R)(G/R) - Progenitus/Elfball (legacy)
BBB - Crucible Pox (legacy)
(B/G)(B/G)(B/G) - Eva Green (legacy)
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4x Hypnotic Specter
4x Tarmogoyf
3x Vampire Nighthawk
3x Tombstalker
3x Dark Confidant
//Support (23)//
4x Thoughtseize
4x Hymn to Tourach
3x Dark Ritual
3x Maelstrom Pulse
3x Smother
2x Pernicious Deed
2x Umezawa's Jitte
2x Snuff Out
4x Bayou
4x Verdant Catacombs
4x Wasteland
2x Marsh Flats
5x Swamp
1x Forest
Is Bob ok at 3-of, or is he needed at 4? I'm just very nervous about running him with Seize, Snuff's, and Fetches. The Jitte is good at remedying this along with the Hawk, but i'm still unsure of the correct quantity. On the same note, is Jitte x2 ok, as i'd really like to run 3.
How vital is Gatekeeper of Malakir? I excluded him in my list as i'm very tight for space, but if he's a must have now, I guess I could drop a Hippie, Stalker, and something else to run him at 2 or 3.
What are people's thought about running Smallpox in here? Does the downside hurt us more than the upside helps?
Bitterblossom with Bob is a no-go, I'm assuming? I'd really like to run both, but I think the life loss will be too great.
Finally, what and how are people sideboarding these days?
drop the hypnotics for 4 nighthawks, and 3 bitterblossoms.
that would be perfect for this control based meta. bitterblossom will be the first 3 cards for you to drop when you see combo.
i think the general consensus is that everyone is dropping the dark rituals.
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I'd keep the Specters. Bitterblossom+Thoughtseize+Bob+Snuff Out+Fetches=nonbo. Tombstalker with Bob and 3 Bitterblossom alone sounds like a bad plan, although I've never tested all of them in one build, but I see it as if you run Bitterblossom, you'd be more on the side of grinding out the game like The Gate, but with Tombstalkers you want to win now and win fast with Rituals and all, because the longer you play with Bob out, the greater the risk of flipping him.
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thats true, but what i realized playing today on cockatrice is that this deck is getting wrecked without dark ritual.
Those stompy decks going off on turn two when they have the play is devastating. you don't have enough speed to keep up with them to get rid of the threat they present.
not sure if i really like jitte and bitterblossom right now either. its just too slow.
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4x bayou
4x wastelands
4x verdant catacombs
3x marshflats
4x swamps
1x forest
creatures (13)
2x tombstalker
4x dark confidant
3x vampire nighthawk
4x tarmogoyf
artifacts and enchantments (5)
2x jitte
3x bitterblossoms
3x maelstrom pulse
1x dismember
1x go for the throat
2x smother
4x thoughtseize
4x hymn to tourach
1x duress
1x inquisition of kolizek
2x krosan grip
4x dark ritual
3x null rod
4x extirpate
2x pernicious deed
2x geth's verdict
1x diabolic edict
1x krosan grip
2x perish
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With that said, Eva Green is actually looking well-positioned for the meta, given the heavy amounts of hand disruption on top of solid removal and grave-hate options.
I've dropped sinkhole from my lists in favor of maelstrom pulse and bitterblossom/cabal therapy, with solid results. I'll post a list when I get a chance.
// Lands
4 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
1 [ROE] Forest
2 [ZEN] Marsh Flats
5 [U] Swamp
3 [U] Bayou
2 [ON] Bloodstained Mire
1 [M11] Swamp
4 [JGC] Wasteland
// Creatures
4 [RAV] Dark Confidant
3 [FUT] Tombstalker
4 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
4 [GTW] Vampire Nighthawk
// Spells
4 [ROE] Inquisition of Kozilek
4 [BRB] Dark Ritual
4 [FE] Hymn to Tourach
4 [INN] Liliana of the Veil
3 [LRW] Thoughtseize
2 [HOP] Phyrexian Arena
2 ???
I have two slots that I'm sure what to do with. Hypnotic Specters are bad because I already have enough discard, so I've been switching between Reanimate, Nantuko Shade, Jitte or Mirri's Guile. Maybe Bitterblossom to keep spitting out blockers for Liliana, so you can Edict their creature then swing with tokens to win.
It's an updated version of Brawl into an epic, new game.
Has anyone tried running funeral charm as an instant discard?
Also does anyone think its a good idea to return sinkhole to the deck due to so many tempo tresh decks out there.
any critcisms?
4x bayou
3x marshflats
4x verdent catacombs
4x wastelands
1x forest
4x swamps
Creatures (13)
4x dark confidant
2x tombstalker
3x vampire knighthawk
4x tarmogoyf
3x bitterblossom
instants (8)
4x dark ritual
1x go for the throat
1x smother
2x dismember
sorcery (14)
4x hymn to tourach
4x thoughtseize
3x maelstrom pulse
1x duress
2x inquisition of kolizek
2x liliana of the veil
3x krosan grip
4x faerie macrebe
1x tormod's crypt
2x pernicious deed
2x chains of mephistopheles
2x smother
1x diabolic edict
Any suggestions on changes. Please lets not discuss the tombstalker/bob situation.
I'm actuallying thinking of taking bob out for more, stronger creatures. what do you guys think?
IMO you should choose between Bitterblossom and Tombstalker. They fit completely opposite strategies. If you like Bitterblossom better, then you're leaning toward The Gate, so you'd want to cut Tombdaddy for 2 Jittes. If you like Tombstalker, then cut BB's for...I don't know what. Perhaps a third Liliana and...maybe Scavenging Ooze as a 2-of? To serve as a pseudo Goyf 5-6? Bitterblossom is really slow though.
It's an updated version of Brawl into an epic, new game.
I mean we already have hymns, thoughtseize, and IOK when we topdeck as bad cards.
4x bayou
3x marshflats
4x verdent catacombs
4x wastelands
1x forest
4x swamps
Creatures (17)
2x dark confidant
3x tombstalker
4x vampire knighthawk
4x tarmogoyf
1x scavenging ooze
1x withered wretch
2x nantuko shade
2x sylvan library
instants (4)
1x smother
3x dismember
sorcery (14)
4x hymn to tourach
4x thoughtseize
3x maelstrom pulse
1x duress
2x inquisition of kolizek
Planeswalker (3)
3x liliana of the veil
3x krosan grip
4x faerie macrebe
1x tormod's crypt
2x pernicious deed
2x chains of mephistopheles
2x smother
1x diabolic edict
It's an updated version of Brawl into an epic, new game.
You are correct though, Sylvan Library won't help you avoid Bob damage, you need Mirri's Guile (stack your triggers correctly) or Sensei's Top for that.
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Lets hope that new removal card is enough to bring this deck back.
What this deck still needs is another creature to side out tombstalker.
That way you can run 4 of dark confidants.
4x Thoughtsieze
4x Dark confidant
4x Etneral Witness
3x Abrupt Decay
3x Vindicate
4x Tarmogoyf
4x Rancor
4x Sinkhole
2x Pernicious Deed
4x Verdant Catacombs
3x Bayou
3x Scrubland
4x wasteland
3x Swamp
1x Plains
2x Forest
Control early game with hand disruption/permanent destruction and slowly beat them down with goyf+rancor. White splash allows for Path to exile/swords to plowshares as more removal if necessary.
I had deathrite in their as a mana dork mainly and the backup being slow life loss/life gain to offset bob. I figured between the wasteland/fetches/sinkhole there would be enough lands in the GY for him to be effectively used. And because of vindicate and AD I thought there would be enough permanent variety to keep goyf strong (since deathrite's main targets are lands goyf wouldn't be hurt with the plethora in the GY).
Also, If I were to face combo I could aways side out the AD/vindicate for more hand disruption.
Legacy:
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Modern:
White Rock (41-24-4 in matches. Beginning 10/14/14. Last updated 1/2/15)
List:
4 Dark Confidant
3 Siege Rhino
1 Thrun, The Last Troll
Spells - 20
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Thoughtseize
4 abrupt decay
2 maelstrom pulse
1 slaughter pact
1 path to exile
1 Disfigure
1 damnation
3 lingering souls
NCP - 4
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Bow of Nylea
4 verdant Catacombs
2 marsh flats
2 windswept heath
2 Swamp
1 Forest
1 Plains
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 overgrown tomb
1 godless shrine
1 temple garden
1 Treetop Village
2 stirring wildwood
2 Tectonic Edge
4 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Thrun, the last troll
2 Duress
1 Creeping Corrosion
2 Stony Silence
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Back to nature
1 Utter End
1 Golgari Charm
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4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Bloodstained Mire
4 Wasteland
4 Bayou
5 Swamp
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Tombstalker
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Death's Shadow
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Dismember
2 Snuff Out
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Thoughseize
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Sinkhole
2 Sign in Blood
If I were to revisit it, there's a lot of stuff I would change.
And with that list, you have 15 horrible top deck cards past turn 4