I can pretty damn near guarantee you that Monastery Mentor is not getting banned in Legacy. Although he is probably overall the most used win-condition in the deck, he is by no means integral. In Vintage however, he very well may be banned, but that is not really relevant to this.
I personally have not heard or read anything about Top-banning recently, but do not really read that many MTG websites anymore. I do not see why it should be banned -now-. CounterTop has been one of the biggest decks, and often the biggest depending on your categorization, in Legacy for a long, long time. It would probably shake up Legacy noticeably if either Top or Counterbalance were to be banned, but so would banning Deathrite Shaman or Abrupt Decay. I do not think WotC wants to shake up the format at this point, merely judging by recent (last 5 years?) management of it. They rather seem to want to print some cards they think might be impact it, like Leovold recently, and change it slowly through that. Some argue that this slow trickle of relevant cards is mostly a coincidence, as WotC may just do not care that much about the format.
Feel free to wait to the next B&R announcement (in a week or so? Two?), but I personally do not see why things would change now when they have not in years.
I've argued with people over the number of cards in a deck many times, and I feel that having a high number of "good cards" is better than having a small number of "really good" cards. I laugh at the people who argue that with a smaller deck you're more likely to draw what you need, because if you get in that situation you're gonna NOT end up drawing it many many more times than you would.
I was thinking a lot along your lines too, regarding more recent hate cards being printed than having anything banned, but definitely in the non-vocal minority in that discussion. I'm still likely looking to get some of the Invocations that Miracles uses and hope to jam them in the deck.
Hello all, I come to visit from the Modern side of the site. I'm very sorry for your loss regarding Top.
I don't know much about your deck beyond Top being very important to it, but I hope you all can find a way to either build a version that still works without it, or a way to recoup any losses as you find a new deck...
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Hello from the dredge side of legacy. I am sorry for your loss and the loss of a very formidable deck. I enjoyed playing vs Miracles even though the odds weren't much in my favor. I hope to play you all with different decks but the same confidence as you all had with Miracles.
Its a try, but there are too many problems with Scroll Rack for this deck, it doesn't draw so terminus gets much much worse, you are swapping your hand for the cards, so its much harder to stablish a lock with CB since you can only use Scroll Rack once in both turns... It's almost impossible to use Scroll Rack like SDT, its best to play the deck with more manipulation than trying to compensate the loss of SDT, maybe this can still be a tier 2 deck, or tier 1.5, I doubt, but I'll try some things out to see what happens.
I'am testing with Soothsaying currently...
It's no Top guys...still is not that bad.
Vs bug delver 2-0
Vs Elf 2-0
Vs 12post 2-1 (it was luck, really)
Vs D&T 2-1
Sooth it's really bad against Decay...that being said except for Delver we use to have already bad MU (Shardless and Leovold).
I guess i will try harder this solution because it's true that we can't enable miracle on opponet tourn, still we can wrath for one mana an digging even more deep having a mana sink. I'am not saying that it will be the same, Miracles is not longer the Tier 1...but it's not trash i belive.
I'am not that kind of player who give up widout trying. And for now...is working quite good.
There are a lots of things we can't do anymore...like spinning trhee times, but loosing the "throne" can be a good thing too. Force ourselves to try something new.
Ther's still time to shift to Stoneblade we already lost Top/Balance money. It's worth a shot, at least.
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I'am testing with Soothsaying currently...
It's no Top guys...still is not that bad.
I'am not that kind of player who give up widout trying. And for now...is working quite good.
loosing the "throne" can be a good thing too. Force ourselves to try something new.
Ther's still time to shift to Stoneblade we already lost Top/Balance money. It's worth a shot, at least.
ya'll should listen to this guy..and sorry for the loss..
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I personally have not heard or read anything about Top-banning recently, but do not really read that many MTG websites anymore. I do not see why it should be banned -now-. CounterTop has been one of the biggest decks, and often the biggest depending on your categorization, in Legacy for a long, long time. It would probably shake up Legacy noticeably if either Top or Counterbalance were to be banned, but so would banning Deathrite Shaman or Abrupt Decay. I do not think WotC wants to shake up the format at this point, merely judging by recent (last 5 years?) management of it. They rather seem to want to print some cards they think might be impact it, like Leovold recently, and change it slowly through that. Some argue that this slow trickle of relevant cards is mostly a coincidence, as WotC may just do not care that much about the format.
Feel free to wait to the next B&R announcement (in a week or so? Two?), but I personally do not see why things would change now when they have not in years.
Modern: (G/U)Infect (G/U)Tron
Legacy: (U/B)Tezzeret (U/B)(W/U)Miracles(W/U)(B/G)Dredge(R/W)
Commander:(U/R)Mizzix (U/R)(W/U)Sydri(U/B)(W/U)Zur(U/B)
So Top is banned. Ship Miracles, build Delver?
Modern: (G/U)Infect (G/U)Tron
Legacy: (U/B)Tezzeret (U/B)(W/U)Miracles(W/U)(B/G)Dredge(R/W)
Commander:(U/R)Mizzix (U/R)(W/U)Sydri(U/B)(W/U)Zur(U/B)
I don't know much about your deck beyond Top being very important to it, but I hope you all can find a way to either build a version that still works without it, or a way to recoup any losses as you find a new deck...
Modern - Cheeri0s (building), Belcher (building), Lantern (building), UW Control (building)
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It's no Top guys...still is not that bad.
Vs bug delver 2-0
Vs Elf 2-0
Vs 12post 2-1 (it was luck, really)
Vs D&T 2-1
Sooth it's really bad against Decay...that being said except for Delver we use to have already bad MU (Shardless and Leovold).
I guess i will try harder this solution because it's true that we can't enable miracle on opponet tourn, still we can wrath for one mana an digging even more deep having a mana sink. I'am not saying that it will be the same, Miracles is not longer the Tier 1...but it's not trash i belive.
I'am not that kind of player who give up widout trying. And for now...is working quite good.
There are a lots of things we can't do anymore...like spinning trhee times, but loosing the "throne" can be a good thing too. Force ourselves to try something new.
Ther's still time to shift to Stoneblade
UWR Control/Midrange/Delver
UWR TwinMiss youGBWJunk (still semi-budget; 3 tarmo only)
GWAura Hexproof
GWHatebears
RIP Miracles
ya'll should listen to this guy..and sorry for the loss..
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UWR TwinMiss youGBWJunk (still semi-budget; 3 tarmo only)
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