Phyrexian Revoker/Pithing Needle off Show and Tell versus Griselbrand. Emrakul....dunno. If your running Fauna Shaman and its active you can respond by tutoring up a Peacekeeper in response to S&T. Humility is another option as well. Oblivion Ring seems lackluster. Blue for Spell Pierce/Flusterstorm is ok.
well ... I doubt o-rings usefulness since u had to sacc 6 permanents already before u get the chance to react with o-ring. That usually means game over.
Reading your response, it's clear that you're assuming Megadeus is playing the O-ring after the Emmy has attacked when he specifically says he's putting O-ring into play off of the Show and Tell, and therefore would have exiled Emmy before it got to attack and cause annihilator to trigger.
its kinda weird, but ur package seems slower than razefire's.
E-tutor is a generally very slow card. U even warn ur opponent that you're going to get some hate. Revoker is by no means faster than Meddling Mage, isnt he? both cost 2 mana and Meddling Mage has broader application than the Revoker.
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E-Tutor is instant though so it's not a HUGE information loss. Just EOT tutor and then draw it.
As for Revoker being as slow its yes and no. Yes, because it cost 2 just like MM. No, because I can put into play with my opp Show and Tell and then name Griselbrand if they reveal him, from which they get no priority and JUST have a 7/7 lifelink.
EDIT: Another option is Ensnaring Bridge. Basically we can use Tutor to get Bridge.
well ... I doubt o-rings usefulness since u had to sacc 6 permanents already before u get the chance to react with o-ring. That usually means game over.
You show in O-ring, targeting Emrakul, you never at any point sac'd 6 permanents, does nothing against sneak attack granted but isn't that what the 3-4 Qasali Pridemages for.
I dont care for the tracker/token combo. It revolves around too many things being required. Besides, they can just pay life with Griselbrand and draw cards until they get an answer. Pithing Needle is fast. Peacekeeper can be used and then stp'd when you have lethal ready. EBridge is another option. I would have said Sigarda Host of Heron, but she gets beat in combat by their biggies.
If your in a slight blue dip, their is Gilded Drake as well. GDrake off a show and tell has got to be funny.
Hey everyone! I'm a total noob mav player. I just had the deck and played it for like 12 games or so. I'm still constantly learning. (E.g: StP can be used on KotR to gain life to buy 1 turn against progenitus, etc.)
I'm really having a hard time dueling against Hivemind, Show & Tell, and Dreamhalls. Can anyone please help me on the ff:
A) General direction of the play game 1 and games 2 & 3.
B) What do I board in?
C) What do I board out?
D) Also, any other tips would be very very helpful. Thanks!
Thanks in advance!
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If Hive Mind is a big part of your meta, you might want to think about adding Angel's Grace to your sideboard. Other helpful sideboard cards include any of the Circle of Protections, which shields you from Progenitus. Choose Circle of Protection: Red though, to also give you added sideboard tech against Burn. Phyrexian Metamorph in your sideboard is also a must-have. You can also use Oblivion Ring on Emrakul (he only has protection from colored spells, not colored abilities).
When playing Game 1, you do not have access to your sideboard yet, so try to look for an opener with either Karakas or Knight of the Reliquary. When they Show and Tell, you can drop your Knight in response, and then use it to tutor up Karakas. This only works on Emrakul though. Qasali Pridemage is also good to have around, since it can blow up Sneak Attack.
Once you've got access to your sideboard, look for hands with relevant cards, and drop a Metamorph in response to whatever they Show & Tell out. These are not easy matchups however. It is definitely not in your favor - it just depends if you can draw enough hate.
If Hive Mind is a big part of your meta, you might want to think about adding Angel's Grace to your sideboard. Other helpful sideboard cards include any of the Circle of Protections, which shields you from Progenitus. Choose Circle of Protection: Red though, to also give you added sideboard tech against Burn. Phyrexian Metamorph in your sideboard is also a must-have. You can also use Oblivion Ring on Emrakul (he only has protection from colored spells, not colored abilities).
When playing Game 1, you do not have access to your sideboard yet, so try to look for an opener with either Karakas or Knight of the Reliquary. When they Show and Tell, you can drop your Knight in response, and then use it to tutor up Karakas. This only works on Emrakul though. Qasali Pridemage is also good to have around, since it can blow up Sneak Attack.
Once you've got access to your sideboard, look for hands with relevant cards, and drop a Metamorph in response to whatever they Show & Tell out. These are not easy matchups however. It is definitely not in your favor - it just depends if you can draw enough hate.
I think Angel's Grace would really do a lot of help! Wow, thanks!
With regards to Metamorph, however, when they show and tell progenitus and i show and tell metamorph, is progenitus a legal target for metamorph?
Also, against hivemind, they do a "turn 2/3 pay this mana or loose the game" to me. Does that mean that game 1 is most likely an almost sure loose?
Thanks!
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Metamorph's ability does not actually target Progenitus, so it can copy it. Then they both die due to the Legendary Creature rule, and are shuffled back into their owners' libraries.
Anyway, yes, Game 1 against Hive Mind is not easy. A turn 2 or 3 Gaddock Teeg is just about your only hope.
Edit: Thalia can also delay them from S&T for a turn or two, allowing you to hopefully find/tutor Teeg.
Try a slight blue splash for spell Pierce, phantasmal image or gilded Drake. Most lists aren't using prog anymore so Drake is decent. Image can also legend rule Emmy.
Loyal Retainers + Fauna Shaman is good for the mirror and if you expect a ton of aggro (namely zoo), otherwise, it's kinda meh. Ms. Pyramid Head is tough to play due to her obscene mana cost most of the time. You need quite a bit to go right to cast her, and by then, you probably are winning.
Fauna Shaman is pretty good for the deck nonetheless, was hesistant about her at first, but being able to get any creature, and being tutorable herself, is useful. Linvala and Kataki, War's Mage are pretty good targets for her.
Do u guys know a way to fight through massive counters? that is for example a u/w miracle deck.
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had little to no chance. All the counters, the eventually set up countertop combo and many removals made it impossible to win :/
Guess I have to accept that decks like that are bad MU's
Gaddock Teeg can help this matchup, especially with Mother of Runes backup. Shuts off all the miracles they have, Jace, and Force of Will. The fact that Karakas is becoming a big player doesn't help though.
What does your list like Jiade, the U/W miracles deck you posted looks to be pretty even for us to be honest. The counter-package presented (FoW, Pierce, and Counterspell) seems pretty weak against us, FoW is notoriously bad against aggro, pierce is irrelevant against us, and counterspell requires UU. Mother of Runes and Scavenging Ooze should take care of both swords and Snapcaster and a resolved Teeg stops them cold. Post-board is another matter though.
I mainly lost g1 cuz I wasn't able to finish him off before turn ~12. He kept bouncing my Thalia, took care of all the other creatures with Swords and Snapcaster. He was at ~6 life but has set his Countertop combo with 3,2,1 mana. That was pretty much game over.
He himself said that his stats against maverick were ~70:30 for him -.-'
Try cutting Sigurda and Stoneforge for 2 more Qasali Pridemage, all stoneforge seems to do is fetch jitte, and sigurda is way too mana intensive outside of using Loyal Retainers, that and the 2 extra will improve that matchup a little. A thrun somewhere comes in handy, mana intensive (4cmc) but there isn't much the opponent can do to him. A second scryb may help, if only a little.
Having gotten a chance to test it, it seems like any other control matchup, just they have the added benefits of cheap mass removal (Terminus), a resolved and protected teeg will do wonders, Elspeth/Garruk to kill the opposing jace, etc. It seems more of a attrition match than anything.
UW Miracles is a lot toughter than the old Stoneblade lists to beat. Gaddock Teeg + Mother of Runes helps to not lose to Terminus, and Thrun to get through the wall of counters.
well, i'm not sure about the recommendations u've made. What's the use of 4 Qpm? It was kinda weird, but there were 6 Enchantress decks at the tournament (50 ppl tournament).
I think you were better off having Serenity in the sideboard since Sterling Grove stops Pridemage and Enchantress has too many enchanments for QPM to destroy anyway.
Well, Qpm is indeed a nice creature. But it's unable to kill top. The Uw miracle player can respond by putting the top on top of his deck. Once counterbalance is put into play the counterplayer usually alrdy has a 2 mana card in the top 3 of his deck. That's why i doubt its use in this matchup.
So effectively 8 disenchant effects against a deck that relies on a artifact/enchantment based combo is bad, you don't actually have to cast Qasali Pridemage itself, Counterbalance decks tend to have trouble with 5 cmc spells, which you should have no problem ramping into. Also, it's effectively a 3/3 for 2, and buffs other creatures, what isn't to like about it?
Having less than 3 is a mistake, the 4th Qasali is meta dependant.
Counterbalance preys on streamlined decks (ala RUG, Maverick to a lesser extent), the more efficient the deck, the better counterbalance works on it, thus if I were to play something a strange or awkward cmc, I can safely dodge it, Green Sun's Zenith is fairly important in that match up.
Not being able to blow up Top isn't really a knock against pridemage to be honest, there is literally only a handful of spells that can, the only one I can think of is Krosan Grip, with smart play, you can blow up a top with pridemage but you have to expect your opponent to walk into it (IE, crack a fetch, in response, activate qasali pridemage targeting top). Resolving a pridemage or two early before Counter-Top is setup helps you fight through it.
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E-Tutor is instant though so it's not a HUGE information loss. Just EOT tutor and then draw it.
As for Revoker being as slow its yes and no. Yes, because it cost 2 just like MM. No, because I can put into play with my opp Show and Tell and then name Griselbrand if they reveal him, from which they get no priority and JUST have a 7/7 lifelink.
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You show in O-ring, targeting Emrakul, you never at any point sac'd 6 permanents, does nothing against sneak attack granted but isn't that what the 3-4 Qasali Pridemages for.
If your in a slight blue dip, their is Gilded Drake as well. GDrake off a show and tell has got to be funny.
I'm really having a hard time dueling against Hivemind, Show & Tell, and Dreamhalls. Can anyone please help me on the ff:
A) General direction of the play game 1 and games 2 & 3.
B) What do I board in?
C) What do I board out?
D) Also, any other tips would be very very helpful. Thanks!
Thanks in advance!
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When playing Game 1, you do not have access to your sideboard yet, so try to look for an opener with either Karakas or Knight of the Reliquary. When they Show and Tell, you can drop your Knight in response, and then use it to tutor up Karakas. This only works on Emrakul though. Qasali Pridemage is also good to have around, since it can blow up Sneak Attack.
Once you've got access to your sideboard, look for hands with relevant cards, and drop a Metamorph in response to whatever they Show & Tell out. These are not easy matchups however. It is definitely not in your favor - it just depends if you can draw enough hate.
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I think Angel's Grace would really do a lot of help! Wow, thanks!
With regards to Metamorph, however, when they show and tell progenitus and i show and tell metamorph, is progenitus a legal target for metamorph?
Also, against hivemind, they do a "turn 2/3 pay this mana or loose the game" to me. Does that mean that game 1 is most likely an almost sure loose?
Thanks!
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1) No. Progenitus must be in play before Show and Tell resolves for Metamorph to copy it.
2) Unless you can resolve hatebears and if your opponent stupidly plays his nonbasics first, you will usually lose.
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Anyway, yes, Game 1 against Hive Mind is not easy. A turn 2 or 3 Gaddock Teeg is just about your only hope.
Edit: Thalia can also delay them from S&T for a turn or two, allowing you to hopefully find/tutor Teeg.
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Fauna Shaman is pretty good for the deck nonetheless, was hesistant about her at first, but being able to get any creature, and being tutorable herself, is useful. Linvala and Kataki, War's Mage are pretty good targets for her.
Gaddock Teeg can help this matchup, especially with Mother of Runes backup. Shuts off all the miracles they have, Jace, and Force of Will. The fact that Karakas is becoming a big player doesn't help though.
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Try cutting Sigurda and Stoneforge for 2 more Qasali Pridemage, all stoneforge seems to do is fetch jitte, and sigurda is way too mana intensive outside of using Loyal Retainers, that and the 2 extra will improve that matchup a little. A thrun somewhere comes in handy, mana intensive (4cmc) but there isn't much the opponent can do to him. A second scryb may help, if only a little.
Having gotten a chance to test it, it seems like any other control matchup, just they have the added benefits of cheap mass removal (Terminus), a resolved and protected teeg will do wonders, Elspeth/Garruk to kill the opposing jace, etc. It seems more of a attrition match than anything.
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I think you were better off having Serenity in the sideboard since Sterling Grove stops Pridemage and Enchantress has too many enchanments for QPM to destroy anyway.
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So effectively 8 disenchant effects against a deck that relies on a artifact/enchantment based combo is bad, you don't actually have to cast Qasali Pridemage itself, Counterbalance decks tend to have trouble with 5 cmc spells, which you should have no problem ramping into. Also, it's effectively a 3/3 for 2, and buffs other creatures, what isn't to like about it?
Having less than 3 is a mistake, the 4th Qasali is meta dependant.
Counterbalance preys on streamlined decks (ala RUG, Maverick to a lesser extent), the more efficient the deck, the better counterbalance works on it, thus if I were to play something a strange or awkward cmc, I can safely dodge it, Green Sun's Zenith is fairly important in that match up.
Not being able to blow up Top isn't really a knock against pridemage to be honest, there is literally only a handful of spells that can, the only one I can think of is Krosan Grip, with smart play, you can blow up a top with pridemage but you have to expect your opponent to walk into it (IE, crack a fetch, in response, activate qasali pridemage targeting top). Resolving a pridemage or two early before Counter-Top is setup helps you fight through it.