I think that you should have more enlightened tutors. 1 main and 1 side really isnt enough if you want a viable enlightened tutor strategy. Other than that it looks good. How are 4 inquisitions working out for you? and why dont you run thoughtseize seeing as you have got alpha duals.
Originally Posted by fearmeordie View Post
"HAI GUISE I PLAYZ T2 AND WANT TO PLAY LEGACY BUT NO HAZ CASHZ"
Originally Posted by Sir Aureus View Post
I don't see why everyone is so confused about the (SoM)expansion symbol. It's clearly a croissant. A metal croissant.
All hail croissant block.
I've found Inquisition of Kozilek to be the best of the three (duress and thoughtseize being the two other). It takes out pretty much anything you want in the format right now, while Hymn and Sculler takes out the rest.
I could use seize instead, but if I can do the same but without losing 2 life everytime, I'd go for that. I've never wished IoK to be a seize when I play it.
I will have to see what results are after testing on the number of E-tutors. I think 1x main is good, because its not an important part of the game-play to tutor for something in the main. Its when you board in spesific answers like Cop: Red and Choke, you want to have either the card itself or E-tutor within a reasonable time. Say within 3-5 turns or so.
Martyr of Sands popped up in the Death and Taxes thread again recently, and it was pointed out that it really shines with Sword of Light and Shadow and (ideally) another unblocked attacker. As it stands today, passing over Umezawa's Jitte in favour of SoLaS via Stoneforge Mystic is often the best play for me - being immune to white removal is just as important as ever. With Martyr of Sands and a bunch of white cards in one's hand, the lifeloss Dark Confidant, Thoughtseize et al. incur could easily be handled by their powerful interaction. She could also make the Zoo matchup more favourable. I guess Martyr of Sands will replace Burrenton Forge-Tender in my build.
How many white spells do the deck need to support enough lifegain from the martyr? I could make room for a sword of black and white. But Jitte actually gains more life than the sword if you connect with it, but you won't get to pick up a dead creature from your yard though.
I don't think that you'd want to adapt your list in a way that makes Martyr fit in - I think that you may want to include Marytr if your existing infrastructure makes it a solid addition to your deck. To me, white cards that are a must-include in a Pikula-esque list of today are: Mother of Runes, Swords to Plowshares, Vindicate, Stoneforge Mystic. You're probably also better off running at least two Stillmoon Cavaliers, as it's just a really solid critter that's hard to remove even if it's on its own, and quickly grows into a total beast with the equipment Stoneforge Mytic tutors up.
Gaining three life a turn by means of SoLaS is nice, but if you happen to have, say, a Martyr on board and two white cards in hand, you could make that a solid nine for an additional two mana. Each and every one of your turns, that is. With numbers like that, racing Progenitus becomes a finger exercise. Even if you crack martyr only once, revealing two or three cards that time, it's enough life gained for Dark Confidant to really comfortably do its job,
Stalker plays better with goyf because it only removes your graveyard, leaving your opponent's to pump your goyf. It's not a huge difference, but it's a dyssynergy to consider.
I don't like grunt in here, I really don't. Goyf's biggest role in here is a ground-stall against aggro, and grunt doesn't do that. The deck doesn't need a mid-size beater that only sticks around for 2 turns, it's just not a good investment of a card. Maybe, maybe SB but there are better grave-hate options out there too. I mean... it's okay against dredge, you can eat their yard and against loam, but are those two matchups really worth playing a sub-par creature? I mean, you sorta have to justify not making slots for KoTR in a 3-color deck that's looking for an efficient beater, even without altering the manabase to accomidate diamond.
@e. tutor: 1 is enough. 1-of's bcome 2-of's, and it takes less slots in a deck that cant afford to be drawing blanks. I don't think I would go that route, but it doesn't look bad.
@Sculler: meh. I don't like playing all the 2/2's, because they get outclassed by literally every deck in the format without a jitte. It's just setting you up to lose ground-wars. Is the discard worth it? Do people frequently have removal for it to negate the discard? Doesn't this seem like an option that would be better with mox diamond?
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Quote from "Warden" »
rsaunder has beautiful eyes. Think of a sunset, sunrise, and cool breeze at the beach rolled into one moment. Now make that moment blue...because those are his eyes
Im thinking of doing a green splash for Pernicious Deed and Krosan Grip. Unfortunately I have no Tarmogoyfs and at the moment Im not able to afford them.I was thinking of a list like this:
I've swapped Tidehollow Sculler for Mesmeric Fiend becuase it will be easier to cast in the three color deck and because I can play it off of Dark Ritual. And I cut 2 of them for the Pernicious Deeds.
Any criticism or suggestions would be appreciated.
Originally Posted by fearmeordie View Post
"HAI GUISE I PLAYZ T2 AND WANT TO PLAY LEGACY BUT NO HAZ CASHZ"
Originally Posted by Sir Aureus View Post
I don't see why everyone is so confused about the (SoM)expansion symbol. It's clearly a croissant. A metal croissant.
All hail croissant block.
2-2 finish today, losing to Goblins 1-2 (bad draws for me and perfect draw on my opponent's account :/), winning versus Jank Slivers and Mono-Black Zombie Tribal 2-0, and losing to Vengevine Survival (he basically just drew the nuts and won the second game even after I Extirpated Vengevine) 0-2.
@ Jimbo: I really recommend playing Inquisition of Kozilek to the max over Duress. I doubt you'll ever look back if you do so.
@ colo: I think Survival Vengevine is a really hard MU for deadguy/pikula decks. They just got better creatures than us, and they can play stuff from the graveyard. Maybe the white propaganda + The rack or some evasive creature with equipment could help out. Or extirpate + pithing needle? However, they can just fetch or draw Q-pridemage and ruin your needle.
I honestly don't think the matchup is that bad. I usually board four Extirpate, two Enlightened Tutor and a lone Ethersworn Canonist. Once some piece of equipment lands, the game should effectively be over (barring a Krosan Grip from their board, of course), if you can hate out their little combo. I also don't think their creatures are better than what Pikula has up its sleeves - Mother of Runes sure does give them worries, and if you can handle their Wild Mongrels, they go half the way towards victory.
Besides, the lists that are running around in our meta are UG, and don't sport any white cards.
I think I'll be switching decks quite soon, so this may be the last time for me to report results in this thread for a while.
Originally Posted by fearmeordie View Post
"HAI GUISE I PLAYZ T2 AND WANT TO PLAY LEGACY BUT NO HAZ CASHZ"
Originally Posted by Sir Aureus View Post
I don't see why everyone is so confused about the (SoM)expansion symbol. It's clearly a croissant. A metal croissant.
All hail croissant block.
I'm considering it but I don't want to come up against adneuseum-tendrills and have an Inquizition instead of a Duress.
The only thing in the deck ANT (which hardly exists anymore... more TES or DDFT) that duress pulls that inquisition doesn't (that you'd WANT to take) is Ad Nauseam it's self, of which they play maybe one copy. Duress is superior in that matchup for that reason, but it's not THAT much better and inquisition is far better in many, many matchups.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Quote from "Warden" »
rsaunder has beautiful eyes. Think of a sunset, sunrise, and cool breeze at the beach rolled into one moment. Now make that moment blue...because those are his eyes
I know that Inquizition is better but I like having the option to take more. Ill probably take them out, if I feel that I really need them, ill put them in the board.
Originally Posted by fearmeordie View Post
"HAI GUISE I PLAYZ T2 AND WANT TO PLAY LEGACY BUT NO HAZ CASHZ"
Originally Posted by Sir Aureus View Post
I don't see why everyone is so confused about the (SoM)expansion symbol. It's clearly a croissant. A metal croissant.
All hail croissant block.
~Wuliev~
EDH: WBGhost Council of OrzhovaBW WUBErtai, the CorruptedWUB
CONSTRUCTED: B Smallpox Control
Bloodbraid Elf Sligh RG UW Draw-Go Weenie Hosea 13:14
"I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes."
Duress also gets rid of Humility, Moat, Dream Halls, Natural Order and Mind over Matter. I still think it's better than Inquisition of Kozilek, unless your meta is 100% aggro. You have numerous ways of handling resolved critters in Pikula, whilst you have to rely on your discard suite to beat combo, against which Inquisition is weaker than Duress.
I am thinking about making a Deadguy ale deck as I have most the cards already.
ID like to run Stoneforger Mystic but unsure of the amount of them i should run, and in comparsion to the amount of equip. I wouldn't run Jitte but the 3 swords Sword of F/I L/S B/M
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Thanks to DarkNightCavalier at HOPS for the Amazing Avatar and Banner
I think most people run 4 stoneforges plus 3 eqipments, usually: Jitte, SoFi and SoLs, I would recommend you run a Jitte, it really helps some match ups like Goblins, Faeries and against other deadguy decks.
Originally Posted by fearmeordie View Post
"HAI GUISE I PLAYZ T2 AND WANT TO PLAY LEGACY BUT NO HAZ CASHZ"
Originally Posted by Sir Aureus View Post
I don't see why everyone is so confused about the (SoM)expansion symbol. It's clearly a croissant. A metal croissant.
All hail croissant block.
I don't think Sword of Body and Mind is worth running, though I haven't tested it yet. Too many decks rely on their graveyards filled, and if they do, thissword's working against you in a way that you'd probably find hard to handle.
Originally Posted by fearmeordie View Post
"HAI GUISE I PLAYZ T2 AND WANT TO PLAY LEGACY BUT NO HAZ CASHZ"
Originally Posted by Sir Aureus View Post
I don't see why everyone is so confused about the (SoM)expansion symbol. It's clearly a croissant. A metal croissant.
All hail croissant block.
Are you guys crazy? The sword gives you protection from Goyf and Merfolk. The blue ability could be a draw back against some decks, but a 2/2 chump blocker is more than decent
Hmm, i misread the card, I thought it was Raven Guildmaster as a equipment, Remove not buried, damn, BUT I think I might run once of each, jitte and 3 swords, so if i needed to I could get around gofy and other green creats, and the Wolf token i think it is wouldn't hurt ever.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Thanks to DarkNightCavalier at HOPS for the Amazing Avatar and Banner
4x equipments is way too much. And Jitte rocked the house whenever It connect. I was one game-win away from top 16 at GP today :S Some unlucky draws, some because of lack of format knowledge (SB tech). I lost to StifleNought(with mask), "semi-mirror" this game I felt was winnable but he drew 4 Goyfs and I had drew nothing but irrelevant cards for a significant nr of turns. And, Jace Control. I had good board tech against this deck and basically a good MU, but even though I boarded in 6-7 cards against it, I never drew the right cards at the right time. But I did make a mistake on the last game that probably costed me the game but it was round 8 and I hadn't eaten since breakfast, so focus wasn't on the top.
Overall, I was happy with my deck performance even though I lost one too many.
Originally Posted by fearmeordie View Post
"HAI GUISE I PLAYZ T2 AND WANT TO PLAY LEGACY BUT NO HAZ CASHZ"
Originally Posted by Sir Aureus View Post
I don't see why everyone is so confused about the (SoM)expansion symbol. It's clearly a croissant. A metal croissant.
All hail croissant block.
4 Mystic is too many. i feel i see them enough and i'm running three. It's unlikely that you will be able to cast a mystic and then drop an equipment and then equip it. the one time mystic is nice is if it resolves vs control because its an uncounterable way to get your equipment. I feel somb looks horribly compared to the others. against fish. I think I would rather just shock a lord to death than get a 2/2 token. and i feel I would rather draw a card than mill someone. You are not running jitte? late game imo it isn't as good but sometimes its the mvp. The cost of 1 less is very relevant. if you're scared about goyf than use spectral lynx. but we run 4 path 4 vindicate and usually things like gatekeeper of vampire. I just don't see how sword of body and mind is better than sofi
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
P.S im sorry that this "wall" of text is very scary and menacing but i believe you can do it the lack of gramer and punctuation is because i have a blood fued with it due to the fact when i was four and the teacher said i would die poor and lonely and the kids would dance on my grave when i died because i could not correctly punctuate with commas
:symb::symw::symb:Deadguy Ale:symw::symb::symw:
EDH
:symb::symb::symb:Ink-eyes:symb::symb::symb:
I could use seize instead, but if I can do the same but without losing 2 life everytime, I'd go for that. I've never wished IoK to be a seize when I play it.
I will have to see what results are after testing on the number of E-tutors. I think 1x main is good, because its not an important part of the game-play to tutor for something in the main. Its when you board in spesific answers like Cop: Red and Choke, you want to have either the card itself or E-tutor within a reasonable time. Say within 3-5 turns or so.
Gaining three life a turn by means of SoLaS is nice, but if you happen to have, say, a Martyr on board and two white cards in hand, you could make that a solid nine for an additional two mana. Each and every one of your turns, that is. With numbers like that, racing Progenitus becomes a finger exercise. Even if you crack martyr only once, revealing two or three cards that time, it's enough life gained for Dark Confidant to really comfortably do its job,
I don't like grunt in here, I really don't. Goyf's biggest role in here is a ground-stall against aggro, and grunt doesn't do that. The deck doesn't need a mid-size beater that only sticks around for 2 turns, it's just not a good investment of a card. Maybe, maybe SB but there are better grave-hate options out there too. I mean... it's okay against dredge, you can eat their yard and against loam, but are those two matchups really worth playing a sub-par creature? I mean, you sorta have to justify not making slots for KoTR in a 3-color deck that's looking for an efficient beater, even without altering the manabase to accomidate diamond.
@e. tutor: 1 is enough. 1-of's bcome 2-of's, and it takes less slots in a deck that cant afford to be drawing blanks. I don't think I would go that route, but it doesn't look bad.
@Sculler: meh. I don't like playing all the 2/2's, because they get outclassed by literally every deck in the format without a jitte. It's just setting you up to lose ground-wars. Is the discard worth it? Do people frequently have removal for it to negate the discard? Doesn't this seem like an option that would be better with mox diamond?
I'm here to kick ass and play card games.
BZK Level 4 Bad Guy
Side Board
4x Engineered Plague
4x Leyline of the Void
4x Krosan Grip
3x Swords to Plowshares
I've swapped Tidehollow Sculler for Mesmeric Fiend becuase it will be easier to cast in the three color deck and because I can play it off of Dark Ritual. And I cut 2 of them for the Pernicious Deeds.
Any criticism or suggestions would be appreciated.
:symb::symw::symb:Deadguy Ale:symw::symb::symw:
EDH
:symb::symb::symb:Ink-eyes:symb::symb::symb:
I tried running Martyr of Sand instead of Burrenton Forge-Tender and Phyrexian Negator (supposed to be awesome with equipment and/or a Mother of Runes) instead of Spectral Lynx. Drew and played both only once when I was already winning, though.
@ Jimbo: I really recommend playing Inquisition of Kozilek to the max over Duress. I doubt you'll ever look back if you do so.
@ colo: I think Survival Vengevine is a really hard MU for deadguy/pikula decks. They just got better creatures than us, and they can play stuff from the graveyard. Maybe the white propaganda + The rack or some evasive creature with equipment could help out. Or extirpate + pithing needle? However, they can just fetch or draw Q-pridemage and ruin your needle.
Besides, the lists that are running around in our meta are UG, and don't sport any white cards.
I think I'll be switching decks quite soon, so this may be the last time for me to report results in this thread for a while.
:symb::symw::symb:Deadguy Ale:symw::symb::symw:
EDH
:symb::symb::symb:Ink-eyes:symb::symb::symb:
The only thing in the deck ANT (which hardly exists anymore... more TES or DDFT) that duress pulls that inquisition doesn't (that you'd WANT to take) is Ad Nauseam it's self, of which they play maybe one copy. Duress is superior in that matchup for that reason, but it's not THAT much better and inquisition is far better in many, many matchups.
I'm here to kick ass and play card games.
BZK Level 4 Bad Guy
:symb::symw::symb:Deadguy Ale:symw::symb::symw:
EDH
:symb::symb::symb:Ink-eyes:symb::symb::symb:
EDH:
WBGhost Council of OrzhovaBW
WUBErtai, the CorruptedWUB
CONSTRUCTED:
B Smallpox Control
Bloodbraid Elf Sligh RG
UW Draw-Go Weenie
Hosea 13:14
"I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes."
@Windex: Almost strictly worse than Dark Confidant, worse than Phyrexian Arena. Not worth considering, imho.
ID like to run Stoneforger Mystic but unsure of the amount of them i should run, and in comparsion to the amount of equip. I wouldn't run Jitte but the 3 swords Sword of F/I L/S B/M
:symb::symw::symb:Deadguy Ale:symw::symb::symw:
EDH
:symb::symb::symb:Ink-eyes:symb::symb::symb:
:symb::symw::symb:Deadguy Ale:symw::symb::symw:
EDH
:symb::symb::symb:Ink-eyes:symb::symb::symb:
Overall, I was happy with my deck performance even though I lost one too many.
:symb::symw::symb:Deadguy Ale:symw::symb::symw:
EDH
:symb::symb::symb:Ink-eyes:symb::symb::symb:
The list is the one I posted on page 6.