Hi. I've stubbled across the combo between Swans of bryn argoll and Chain of plasma and i wanted to make a deck around those.
So the core of the deck should be something like this:
Now it's just a matter of figuring out a shell to but this in.
As i see it you can either put it into a UR(w) miricals, a UR counterspell deck or a Landstill deck. There might be other shells and i'll be happy to hear about it.
So my first attempt to make the deck is a UR counterspell deck.
First, this combo is sweet. Like, really sweet. It's obviously not the fastest thing in the world, but I love it nonetheless.
Second, I would love me some Dig Through Time in a list like this. It's a lovely way to find the combo pieces.
Third, I think the mana requirements for this deck are too steep to run Skred. As much as it's a lovely card paired with Swans, it's really too hard to turn on while casting our other spells. Also limited ourselves to four fetches to pair with our Brainstorms seems wrong.
Therefore, I would be interested in see what you think about the following list:
I firmly believe a discarded and then flashbacked Conflagrate is a better finisher than Lab Maniac. Maniac might be useful post-board once they know what we're on. It might be worthwhile to run a small Cunning Wish package for Bounce and more copies of Chain of Plasma. I like some number of ancient Tombs to enable the Turn 2/3 Swans. Ideally, a turn 3 Swans is followed by a turn 4 win. The addition of Chain Lightning is nice since it allows for 3 Red - Draw 6 Cards which is pretty good.
The ideas are diffently good. The reason that I left the volcanic islands out are purely budge reasons. And I can we your thinking about conflagrate. Though I don't know if it's better then maniac.
But what do you think about a landstill aprotch? Going standstill and manlands?
Was actually thinking of winter's chill in the sideboard
Ahha, I didn't realize budget was a constraint here. If so, then I still prefer Steam Vents over the snowland plan. If you do really like it though, that's fine. Winter's Chill is amusing. Problematically, there are many better sweepers in Red that also trigger Swans. I wouldn't mind it as a fun-of but not as a real plan.
The Standstill route is questionable in my mind. Standstill decks are looking to draw the game out. They often have very few/limited win conditions. In comparison, the infinite combo we're looking to generate is fully capable of winning on Turn 4. That split focus means they're probably not complimentary archetypes.
That's true. I was just thinking that your using the stall element from standstill to find the combo and then go off. And do you think that 8 counterspells is sufficient enough? and what about some gitaxian probes to "clear" the way against other counterspells or just a little peak? could allso make for a free drawspell if your going with the Maniac route
I like some number of Probes. They certainly do work in UR combo lists (think Sneak and Show). You could probably run them over the Ponders and one of the Digs. Considering the tap-out nature of our deck, it's hard to jam more counterspells in since they're solely protection for the combo. Remember, the Bolts and Chain Lightning are board control elements as well. You could probably adjust the ratio of Burn to Counterspells after some amount of playtesting. 18 lands is not too few in my opinion. This deck (at least this iteration) is a pure combo deck. Extra lands mean extra bricks. We're looking to get to 4 total mana and that's it. Also remember the Petals count as mana sources both pre and mid combo. That slot might be better as Simian Spirit Guide, but Petals fuel Digs and make blue. It's a toss up.
Yeah. But as I see it the pedals are more for casting the maniac after drawing your whole deck. I think I'll go to 19 or 20 lands. And then I'll se if I think I can cut any. I'm normally playing modern. So 18 seems low.
Brainstorm and Ponder are just that good. There's a good reason they're banned in Modern. Try it out and let me know what you think! I still like the Conflagrate kill more than Maniac. Maniac just straight loses to an Abrupt Decay while Conflagrate only loses to explicitly Counterflux, and not even then if we have two of them. Much like Ad Nauseum, we can just fill our hand until we have the combo. With Maniac you *must* empty your entire library (which can be awkward with the draws coming in 3s. You essentially must play probe to make it a single turn kill, as you can end up with two cards in library. *shrug*, it's not a huge deal. Let me know how the playtesting goes. I think I'm gonna pick up a playset of Swans just for the Lels.
well that's were your light bolts (skreds if you play them) come in. you just target your bird and you can easily win. Even if you have 2 cards in your library. you can just brainstorm (then you draw 3 and win)
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So the core of the deck should be something like this:
Core/Wincon:
4x Swans of bryn argoll
2-4x Chain of plasma
1x laboratory maniac
Now it's just a matter of figuring out a shell to but this in.
As i see it you can either put it into a UR(w) miricals, a UR counterspell deck or a Landstill deck. There might be other shells and i'll be happy to hear about it.
So my first attempt to make the deck is a UR counterspell deck.
4 Swans of Bryn Argoll
2 Snapcaster Mage
1 Laboratory Maniac
Spells:
2 Spell Pierce
3 Counterspell
3 Lotus Petal
2 Spell Snare
3 Chain of Plasma
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
4 Skred
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Ponder
11 Snow-Covered Island
5 Snow-Covered Mountain
1 Scrying Sheets
2 Flooded Strand
2 Wooded Foothills
1 Cavern of Souls
This deck is abit action light. there fore i thought about a landstill shell (haven't made a list for that yet though)
Any input are really appreciated!
First, this combo is sweet. Like, really sweet. It's obviously not the fastest thing in the world, but I love it nonetheless.
Second, I would love me some Dig Through Time in a list like this. It's a lovely way to find the combo pieces.
Third, I think the mana requirements for this deck are too steep to run Skred. As much as it's a lovely card paired with Swans, it's really too hard to turn on while casting our other spells. Also limited ourselves to four fetches to pair with our Brainstorms seems wrong.
Therefore, I would be interested in see what you think about the following list:
4x Swans of Bryn Argoll
2x Snapcaster Mage
Cantrips(10)
4x Brainstorm
3x Ponder
3x Dig Through Time
Protection(8)
4x Force of Will
2x Spell Pierce
2x Spell Snare
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Chain Lightning
4x Chain of Plasma
2x Conflagrate
Mana(22)
4x Lotus Petal
4x Scalding Tarn
4x Flooded Strand
4x Volcanic Island
2x Island
1x Mountain
3x Ancient Tomb
I firmly believe a discarded and then flashbacked Conflagrate is a better finisher than Lab Maniac. Maniac might be useful post-board once they know what we're on. It might be worthwhile to run a small Cunning Wish package for Bounce and more copies of Chain of Plasma. I like some number of ancient Tombs to enable the Turn 2/3 Swans. Ideally, a turn 3 Swans is followed by a turn 4 win. The addition of Chain Lightning is nice since it allows for 3 Red - Draw 6 Cards which is pretty good.
But what do you think about a landstill aprotch? Going standstill and manlands?
Was actually thinking of winter's chill in the sideboard
The Standstill route is questionable in my mind. Standstill decks are looking to draw the game out. They often have very few/limited win conditions. In comparison, the infinite combo we're looking to generate is fully capable of winning on Turn 4. That split focus means they're probably not complimentary archetypes.