Hey guys, I am getting back into Legacy again. I used to play RUG Delver and Shardless BUG. I saw some RUG/RUGb Cascade deck kicking around and it looked like it had potential to be competitive and a lot of fun. Although, a lot of the lists I saw were kind of silly/too casual for my tastes. I am posting the list I came up with below, please provide feedback! Thanks!
Dropping a Top, a Counterbalance, and a BBE or 2 for Ponders/Spell Pierce would be prudent. It gives you some control early game while you set up your CA engines and aggro (or just protect your aggro..) Given your curve, DRS would be a good fit but that's a given with any deck in G or B.
I'm going to say Spell Pierce is a bad idea, because it's a dead flip off of Cascade.
I'd say pick one of TNN/Clique and run 2-3 copies main, those 1-ofs aren't doing you much good. Could maybe trim the fourth Counterbalance, but I wouldn't recommend reducing Tops.
A Jace or two would fit nicely, but that's too many 4-drops with BBE so he's have to come in at the cost of Bloodbraids.
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I'm going to say Spell Pierce is a bad idea, because it's a dead flip off of Cascade.
I'd say pick one of TNN/Clique and run 2-3 copies main, those 1-ofs aren't doing you much good. Could maybe trim the fourth Counterbalance, but I wouldn't recommend reducing Tops.
A Jace or two would fit nicely, but that's too many 4-drops with BBE so he's have to come in at the cost of Bloodbraids.
Spell Pierce is a no go and Ponder is pretty weak in this deck. We don't have any Delvers or Miracles and its sorcery speed so doesn't do anything for counterbalance. It's also a real mediocre flip off a cascade trigger.
Well TNN is great for creature matchups vs. other midrange decks/aggro decks while Vclique is awesome vs control/combo. With 4 tops, 4 brain storms, 4 BBE to cascade into them and a bunch of card draw off Ancestral I believe I'll be able to find one for each matchup a decent % of the time. I also just drop one and add a second of the other in post board games where one is good and the other isnt.
Jace is sweet and def an addition I could get behind. I figured this deck would have similiar match ups like Shardless BUG where it stomps all over delver decks and other mid range decks but has bad matchups vs combo. Thats why I stuck the 4 tops/4 counterbalance in to go with the 4 FoW.
Right now the plan is just out CA Delver/Mid range decks. Throw a bunch of bodies onto the field vs aggro (BBE or Agent into bolt, goyf, tnn all seem really good vs aggro decks). But I probably need something a bit more to shore up those matchups in the sb. Right now I only have TNN, ooze and lavamancer but should probably look to find space for another 1-2 cards in the sb for the aggro matchup. I think 4 FOW and top/counter balance will give me some game vs combo decks, at least a much higher clip of game 1 wins than Shardless BUG. I also probably need a bit more specific hate for this match ups as I only have 1-2 pieces of hate for each combo matchup.
With 4 tops, 4 brain storms and 4 AVs in the mb I might want to have less 4 of's of each card and start playing 2-3 of's.
Honestly only thoughtseize is great vs. Combo. Hymn is much better vs fair matchups. Lili is also some what similiar, it's ok vs combo, it's great vs control and good vs everything else,Lili is too slow in most combo matchups.
I played a bunch o f shardless bug and I'd much rather have top/counterbalance.I honestly think if I add an another grim lavamanver in the sb, another removal spell and just add a second purging needle and s 1-2 more pieces of combo hate I should be ok
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4 Tarmogoyf
1 Vendilion Clique
1 True-Name Nemesis
4 Shardless Agent
4 Bloodbraid Elf
Sorceries (4)
4 Ancestral Vision
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
4 Lightning Bolt
Enchantments (4)
4 Counterbalance
Artifacts (4)
4 Sensei's Divining Top
Lands (22)
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Volcanic Island
3 Tropical Island
1 Taiga
2 Wasteland
4 Island
1 Forest
3 Pyroblast
1 Hydroblast
1 Pithing Needle
1 Vendilion Clique
1 True-Name Nemesis
1 Krosan Grip
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Submerge
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Life from the Loam
1 Grim Lavamancer
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I'd say pick one of TNN/Clique and run 2-3 copies main, those 1-ofs aren't doing you much good. Could maybe trim the fourth Counterbalance, but I wouldn't recommend reducing Tops.
A Jace or two would fit nicely, but that's too many 4-drops with BBE so he's have to come in at the cost of Bloodbraids.
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Spell Pierce is a no go and Ponder is pretty weak in this deck. We don't have any Delvers or Miracles and its sorcery speed so doesn't do anything for counterbalance. It's also a real mediocre flip off a cascade trigger.
Well TNN is great for creature matchups vs. other midrange decks/aggro decks while Vclique is awesome vs control/combo. With 4 tops, 4 brain storms, 4 BBE to cascade into them and a bunch of card draw off Ancestral I believe I'll be able to find one for each matchup a decent % of the time. I also just drop one and add a second of the other in post board games where one is good and the other isnt.
Jace is sweet and def an addition I could get behind. I figured this deck would have similiar match ups like Shardless BUG where it stomps all over delver decks and other mid range decks but has bad matchups vs combo. Thats why I stuck the 4 tops/4 counterbalance in to go with the 4 FoW.
Right now the plan is just out CA Delver/Mid range decks. Throw a bunch of bodies onto the field vs aggro (BBE or Agent into bolt, goyf, tnn all seem really good vs aggro decks). But I probably need something a bit more to shore up those matchups in the sb. Right now I only have TNN, ooze and lavamancer but should probably look to find space for another 1-2 cards in the sb for the aggro matchup. I think 4 FOW and top/counter balance will give me some game vs combo decks, at least a much higher clip of game 1 wins than Shardless BUG. I also probably need a bit more specific hate for this match ups as I only have 1-2 pieces of hate for each combo matchup.
With 4 tops, 4 brain storms and 4 AVs in the mb I might want to have less 4 of's of each card and start playing 2-3 of's.
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I played a bunch o f shardless bug and I'd much rather have top/counterbalance.I honestly think if I add an another grim lavamanver in the sb, another removal spell and just add a second purging needle and s 1-2 more pieces of combo hate I should be ok