I reduced the black cards by quite a bit so i only use black mana for Cabal Therapy, activation of Deathrite Shaman and potential Sideboard options.
First of all let me explain som of the card choices I made.
Cardchoices
Young Pyromancer: With ten Cantrips and the recursive engine of Punishing Fire and Life from the Loam there should be no shortage of cards to trigger this little board-flooding powerhouse. On the other side he makes the Flashback of Cabal Therapy more easily accessable.
Deathrite Shaman: I dont think i got to explain why he is a nice Creature. Mana ramp, damage on a stick and prolonging the game by gaining life are all more then enough to put him in here.
Edric, Spymaster of Trest: Pretty absurd with Young Pyromancer and a good way to gain card advantage. Pyro + Edric: Tokes -> more card -> more Tokens. Rinse and repeat.
Dack Fayden: Actualy this was the card that made me pick up this deck again after all. I think he needs a graveyard based strategie to make use of his +1 ability and use up his full potential. Loam - Punising Fire - Cabal Therapie... I think I mke good use of him.
Cabal Therapy: Handdisruption of choice, searchable with Intuition and free flashback with Pyromancer.
Okay since I didn't yet play this deck enough to make statements about its bad matchups, I cannot tell you yet what the main problems are,
even if I have some Ideas about that. (aggro-tempo-based decks might be a problem e.g.: RUG-Delver)
But like I said, the more people are racking their brains about somthing the more usefull ideas might show up, so don't hold back.
Give me your opinion, ideas and suggestions on how to mke this better. I'm also open to sideboard ideas. I allready made up my mind about some of the slots in the 15 but I'm not yet sure.
Not sure if you started from my recent Pyroloam thread; but that is here.
-My experience was that swapping into Lilianas and things made my deck too slow where as having a lot of burn backed up by the tokens allows mine to push for lethal in a lot of scenarios when they finally present themselves. I feel like your win cons are a bit slow outside of Depths
-you look very weak to:
the Price of Progress kinds of decks; such as Burn and UR Delver
With no basics you're extremely weak to Blood Moon decks, B2B, and opposing waste-lock decks (since you only run one loam.)
-Typical 4CLoam runs 26-27 lands + diamonds + 2-3 Loams which all help with the above (Diamonds, more lands, and more loams get you through Wastes and Moons)
My experience with 4cLoam brews was that the above is basically correct. I tried a 24 land build, and while it was doable it felt shakey.
No I didnt start from your list, thats why i said it's a derivate from the McDuffie List.
Your list is verry discardoriented and without blue i got to agree that the Landcount should be higher.
Dack and Lilly are nothing alike to be honest, Dack just breezes through your deck searching for the cards you need.
Blue adds, with cards like Ponder and Brainstorm, a high value way of finding lands and actualy you dont want to have to many lands.
To be honest till now I had more of an issue with having to many then with having not enough lands.
Looking weak to Price decks might be a problem but there is no way to exchange the duals with Basics. (You cannot have a great matchup against them all)
Bloodmoon and B2B demand an answer, thats true but Krosan grip or Decay in the board actualy work pretty well.
Against Wasteland-decks there will be an additional Loam in the 15.
I dont like Mox Diamond in this Deck to be honest, since u just put yourself 2 cards down for an additional Mana,
that can be destroyed by Decay
I need some help with a brew i came up with. The more the merrier works with brewing up new stuff as well I think.
The base of the list is a derivate fromthe Korey McDuffie Pyro Loam list:
http://www.starcitygames.com/events/coverage/deck_tech_pyro_loam_with_korey.html
So lets just jump to the list for now:
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Deathrite Shaman
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 Dack Fayden
3 Force of Will
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Brainstorm
2 Ponder
3 Intuition
3 Cabal Therapy
3 Punishing Fire
1 Life from the Loam
1 Dark Depths
2 Wasteland
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Tropical Island
3 Volcanic Island
2 Underground Sea
3 Flooded Strand
3 Polluted Delta
3 Scalding Tarn
I reduced the black cards by quite a bit so i only use black mana for Cabal Therapy, activation of Deathrite Shaman and potential Sideboard options.
First of all let me explain som of the card choices I made.
Cardchoices
Young Pyromancer: With ten Cantrips and the recursive engine of Punishing Fire and Life from the Loam there should be no shortage of cards to trigger this little board-flooding powerhouse. On the other side he makes the Flashback of Cabal Therapy more easily accessable.
Deathrite Shaman: I dont think i got to explain why he is a nice Creature. Mana ramp, damage on a stick and prolonging the game by gaining life are all more then enough to put him in here.
Edric, Spymaster of Trest: Pretty absurd with Young Pyromancer and a good way to gain card advantage. Pyro + Edric: Tokes -> more card -> more Tokens. Rinse and repeat.
Dack Fayden: Actualy this was the card that made me pick up this deck again after all. I think he needs a graveyard based strategie to make use of his +1 ability and use up his full potential. Loam - Punising Fire - Cabal Therapie... I think I mke good use of him.
Ponder Brainstorm Gitaxian Probe: Cantrips... what would be a blue legacy deck without them.
Intuition: Searching for the cards u need with many recursive parts in the deck nothing is realy gone forever. Thespian's Stage + Dark Depths + Life fromthe Loam as a potential combo-win..
Cabal Therapy: Handdisruption of choice, searchable with Intuition and free flashback with Pyromancer.
Okay since I didn't yet play this deck enough to make statements about its bad matchups, I cannot tell you yet what the main problems are,
even if I have some Ideas about that. (aggro-tempo-based decks might be a problem e.g.: RUG-Delver)
But like I said, the more people are racking their brains about somthing the more usefull ideas might show up, so don't hold back.
Give me your opinion, ideas and suggestions on how to mke this better. I'm also open to sideboard ideas. I allready made up my mind about some of the slots in the 15 but I'm not yet sure.
Thanks for your help.
Kind Regards
Me
-My experience was that swapping into Lilianas and things made my deck too slow where as having a lot of burn backed up by the tokens allows mine to push for lethal in a lot of scenarios when they finally present themselves. I feel like your win cons are a bit slow outside of Depths
-you look very weak to:
My experience with 4cLoam brews was that the above is basically correct. I tried a 24 land build, and while it was doable it felt shakey.
Look, Fetch, Draw, Look
Draw
Fetch
Look
Your list is verry discardoriented and without blue i got to agree that the Landcount should be higher.
Dack and Lilly are nothing alike to be honest, Dack just breezes through your deck searching for the cards you need.
Blue adds, with cards like Ponder and Brainstorm, a high value way of finding lands and actualy you dont want to have to many lands.
To be honest till now I had more of an issue with having to many then with having not enough lands.
Looking weak to Price decks might be a problem but there is no way to exchange the duals with Basics. (You cannot have a great matchup against them all)
Bloodmoon and B2B demand an answer, thats true but Krosan grip or Decay in the board actualy work pretty well.
Against Wasteland-decks there will be an additional Loam in the 15.
I dont like Mox Diamond in this Deck to be honest, since u just put yourself 2 cards down for an additional Mana,
that can be destroyed by Decay