Aggro Battle of Wits

  • #1
    I'm not sure why no one is discussing this yet, it's very cool. It got 32nd place at a recent SCG Open:

    Aggro Battle of Wits by Kenny MayerMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards
    Artifacts
    1 Sword of Body and Mind
    1 Sword of Feast and Famine
    1 Sword of Fire and Ice
    1 Sword of Light and Shadow

    Creatures
    4 Bloodbraid Elf
    1 Eternal Witness
    4 Fauna Shaman
    4 Figure of Destiny
    4 Goblin Guide
    4 Grim Lavamancer
    4 Kird Ape
    4 Knight of the Reliquary
    4 Loam Lion
    4 Lotus Cobra
    4 Mirran Crusader
    4 Mother of Runes
    4 Noble Hierarch
    4 Plated Geopede
    4 Qasali Pridemage
    4 Ranger of Eos
    1 Scute Mob
    4 Skyshroud Elite
    4 Squadron Hawk
    4 Steppe Lynx
    4 Stoneforge Mystic
    4 Tarmogoyf
    4 Terravore
    4 Trygon Predator
    4 Vengevine
    4 Vinelasher Kudzu
    4 Wild Nacatl

    Enchantments
    4 Battle of Wits
    4 Oblivion Ring

    Instants
    4 Lightning Bolt
    4 Lightning Helix
    4 Path to Exile
    4 Swords to Plowshares

    Legendary Artifacts
    4 Umezawa's Jitte

    Legendary Creatures
    1 Gaddock Teeg
    1 Progenitus

    Planeswalkers
    4 Ajani Vengeant
    4 Elspeth, Knight-Errant

    Sorceries
    4 Chain Lightning
    4 Green Sun's Zenith
    4 Natural Order

    Basic Lands
    1 Forest
    1 Island
    2 Mountain
    2 Plains

    Lands
    4 Arid Mesa
    4 Bloodstained Mire
    4 Copperline Gorge
    4 Flooded Strand
    4 Horizon Canopy
    4 Marsh Flats
    1 Maze of Ith
    4 Misty Rainforest
    4 Plateau
    4 Polluted Delta
    4 Raging Ravine
    4 Razorverge Thicket
    4 Savannah
    4 Scalding Tarn
    4 Stirring Wildwood
    4 Taiga
    2 Tropical Island
    3 Tundra
    4 Verdant Catacombs
    3 Volcanic Island
    4 Wasteland
    4 Windswept Heath
    4 Wooded Foothills

    Land Creatures
    2 Dryad Arbor

    Legendary Lands
    1 Karakas



    It's VERY expensive, but might be something to try some time for those with a big collection Smile
  • #2
    It's just not viable.
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  • #3
    Quote from CookedChestnuts
    It's just not viable.


    If it is not viable yet, then I suppose it is the right place to discuss... and if you can't add anything with you comment, please don't comment at all.
  • #4
    I thought it was very interesting how well this deck did at SCG. Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "Big Zoo" anyways. Smile Smile Smile

    Really this is just proof that Legacy is a really, really dense format, and that if you want to go aggro, you can find 200+ cards that are relatively similar and super-powered for such a deck.

    As far as being a Battle of Wits deck goes, I'd be curious to know exactly how many games he won with the enchantment. I really hope there's a report later on some site. I found two things odd. One, no Enlightened Tutor. 4x seems obvious, not only to grab BoW but also to snag those sweet equipments with. Two, the deck isn't base blue. Obviously in Legacy this isn't necessary, but it seems like what you'd want to do. The other Battle deck at SCG I think was more along those lines, but of course this one did better so clearly I don't know what I'm talking about with Battle of Wits decks!
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  • #5
    Quote from DMel
    I thought it was very interesting how well this deck did at SCG. Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "Big Zoo" anyways. Smile Smile Smile

    Really this is just proof that Legacy is a really, really dense format, and that if you want to go aggro, you can find 200+ cards that are relatively similar and super-powered for such a deck.

    As far as being a Battle of Wits deck goes, I'd be curious to know exactly how many games he won with the enchantment. I really hope there's a report later on some site. I found two things odd. One, no Enlightened Tutor. 4x seems obvious, not only to grab BoW but also to snag those sweet equipments with. Two, the deck isn't base blue. Obviously in Legacy this isn't necessary, but it seems like what you'd want to do. The other Battle deck at SCG I think was more along those lines, but of course this one did better so clearly I don't know what I'm talking about with Battle of Wits decks!


    Yeah, there is also an obvious lacking of Academy Rector. Basically an auto-win if it dies.
  • #6
    I wouldn't say it's not viable, it's just not consistent.

    I mean with that many cards, your game plan against, say, ANT, will change based on your opener, instead of relying on normal hate cards.

    Same for against any deck in the format really.

    It's interesting for sure, but not very consistent.

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  • #7
    Most expensive deck in the format Wink

    Anyways on a serious note. Didn't the guy use a tutor toolbox in the SB? I feel that's the best way to do this is to run 4x worldly tutor and eladamri's call in the SB along with creatures that hate on decks i.e. canonist against storm, gaddock teeg against dredge, etc. etc. and he also run's 4x GSZ MD because let's face it that card is nuts in here for ramping or just finding almost any creature. The only problem I think this deck has is consistency and shuffling it is a pain in the ass.

    Also, the lack of e. tutor and other such tutors is because the deck isn't focused on killing with battle of wits. It is a zoo deck essentially in plan most of the time and there are 8 I win cards those 8 being battle of wits and natural order. Or getting to 11 mana and casting GSZ for X = 10 to find progenitus which would be the funniest play ever.

    I disagree with the lack of brainstorm though. I would play 4 brainstorm in any deck running blue. Just imagine, drawing progenitus and not having brainstorm to put it back lulz.

    Also with this deck you can go the control route with a combo kill that combo being battle of wits alone or you can go aggro like Kenny did. The control version runs a lot of enchantment tutors and a lot of creature removal like 4x WoG, DoJ, damnation, deed, EE, along with a lot of other board sweepers. That version also runs a lot of tutors for battle of wits.

    Overall funny deck though and anyone who runs it in a tournament is my hero, end of story. At least you get variance in your opening 7's lulz.
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  • #8
    enlightened tutor might be actually useful for tutoring that enchantment.
  • #9
    Anyone think they should do a newer version but with 100 cards as the wincon? I mean the decks current difficulty is shuffling, seasoned edh players would be used to 100 less cards
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  • #10
    Quote from Silex Flint
    Anyone think they should do a newer version but with 100 cards as the wincon?


    They could print this in M12 and call it Battle of Halfwits Grin
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  • #11
    As it's been said, this needs tutors.

    Enlightened tutor is the obvious one. However, all creature tutors (Worldly tutor, Eladamri's Call, Living Wish, Fauna Shaman...) could be used to fetch Academy Rector, which seems such a good card in this deck. If black were included in the deck, other forms of searching are open (not forgetting Brainspoil).

    Anyways, top 32 with a BoW deck is awesomesauce....:o:o:o

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  • #12
    Quote from Sundodger
    They could print this in M12 and call it Battle of Halfwits Grin


    I don't remember when I laughed this hard last time. I guess it must've been when I read the What is Jitte thread.

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  • #13
    Quote from Sundodger
    They could print this in M12 and call it Battle of Halfwits Grin


    LOL! Soo good.

    @Lorgalis: Very good points are very good. Are we gonna try an develop this? XD

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  • #14
    Quote from Silex Flint
    Anyone think they should do a newer version but with 100 cards as the wincon? I mean the decks current difficulty is shuffling, seasoned edh players would be used to 100 less cards


    100 cards isnt that bad a win condition of 100 cards is too easy... but I would assume a typical Battle of Wits deck would have at least 250 to 260 cards.

    Actually with the dozen of tutors in the game I dont see it being such a hard deck to play and yes I would slighish aggro since it requires a very few cards in play. I could guess it becomming a problem with High tide although the nightmare of a timespiral and shuffling 200+ cards each time... wow!!!


    Something to think about...

    Too bad Magical Hack doesnt effect numbers...
  • #15
    This might be my favorite deck ever.

    It probably costs too much but arc slogger seems like it could steal games when you have no risk of decking. Academy Rector also fits but I wonder if there are not more sac outlets the deck could run to make that happen.

    A single emrakul protects the deck from grindstoneings, so would pop that in as well.
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  • #16
    It'd be awesome to see something like this for a Stax build. Smile Or other archetypes, for that matter. Although I guess the truly awesome thing for this deck is that Battle of Wits takes a back seat. And it's really not as inconsistent as one might think; the heart of it is pure aggro. Turn your dudes sideways turn after turn. And oops, if they clear your board, search up BoW and just win. Smile LOVE IT.
  • #17
    Just realised the deck has ranger of eos but no bushwhacker, hex hunter, etc. Would make sense as a one of, if the deck has the room anyways Smile
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  • #18
    Quote from DMel

    As far as being a Battle of Wits deck goes, I'd be curious to know exactly how many games he won with the enchantment. I really hope there's a report later on some site.


    Watching him win game one of a feature match by dropping the wits off his opponent's Show and Tell during one of the earlier-round feature matches was pretty awesome (even though he lost that match).
  • #19
    Quote from anomie-p
    Watching him win game one of a feature match by dropping the wits off his opponent's Show and Tell during one of the earlier-round feature matches was pretty awesome (even though he lost that match).


    Can I get a link? lol

    EDIT: NVM, I found it. SO epic.
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  • #20
    I'm planning on running Battle of wits at SCG open in Denver here is my current list, its more control than the other one.

    Battle of Wits 2.1 Grin

    Creatures (10)
    4 Trinket Mage

    3 Academy Rector
    3 Vampire Hexmage

    PW (6)
    4 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
    2 Tezzeret the Seeker

    Spells (139)
    4 Battle of Wits
    3 Crop Rotation
    4 Grindstone
    3 Painter’s Servant
    3 Sword of the Meek
    4 Thopter Foundry
    2 Scroll Rack
    4 Sensei's DT
    4 Counterbalance
    4 Orim's Chant
    4 Isochron Scepter
    4 Enlightened Tutor
    4 Living Wish
    4 Opt
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Ponder
    4 Preordain
    4 Impulse
    3 Predict
    4 Intuition
    4 Fact or Fiction
    3 Gifts Ungiven
    3 Disrupt
    2 Mental Misstep
    3 Spell Snare
    4 Counterspell
    4 Mana Leak
    2 Muddle in the Mixture
    3 Prohibit
    4 Remand
    2 Cryptic Command
    4 Force of Will
    4 Path to Exile
    4 STP
    3 Fire//Ice
    1 Serenity
    1 Day of Judgment
    1 Moat
    3 Wrath of God
    1 Hallowed Burial
    3 Repeal
    1 Pithing Needle
    1 Relic of Progenitus
    1 Crucible of Worlds
    1 Ensnaring Bridge
    1 Engineered Explosives
    1 Noxious Revival

    Lands (94)
    27 Islands
    4 Snow Plains
    2 Swamp
    1 Academy Ruins
    2 Tolaria West
    2 Tropical Island
    3 Adarkar Wastes
    4 Arid Mesa
    4 Flooded Strand
    4 Glacial Fortress
    4 Marsh Flats
    4 Misty Rainforest
    4 Polluted Delta
    1 Plateau
    1 Scabland
    4 Scalding Tarn
    4 Tundra
    4 Underground Sea
    3 Volcanic Island
    4 Windswept Heath
    1 Ancient Den
    1 Seat of the Synod
    1 Vault of Whispers
    3 Dark Depths
    1 Wasteland
    1 Urborg Tomb of Y

    249

    Sideboard (15)
    1 Loaming Shaman
    1 Mystic Snake
    1 Dark Depths
    1 Vampire Hexmage
    1 Academy Rector
    1 Ethersworn Canonist
    1 Meddling Mage
    1 Llawan
    1 Grim Lavamancer
    1 Painter’s Servant
    1 Wasteland
    1 City of Brass
    1 Eternal Witness
    1 Venser
    1 Avalanche Rider
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  • #21
    Eh.

    I think the aggro one worked because no matter what it drew, it had the same strategy, and could just win with BoW.

    This one though, all depends on what control elements you end up finding. Although you are running close to 30 counterspells :$

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  • #22
    This deck is so cool.
  • #23
    I think I wd run the so-called traditional deck and include Grim Tutor and Brainspoil. If you want it expensive...

    There's also the only creature with Transfigure who could fetch Academy Rector. Sry, don't know his name. Too arcane.

    I think you have to go a toolbox route, with one-ofs galore. Where's your Karakas, for example?

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