I have been working on this deck for 3 years and I feel it is nearly perfected. It can regularly beat tier 1 decks (which I have extensively tested it against). If you are looking for a reasonably strong deck and Burn is just out of your budget, I suggest you give this $50 deck (with sideboard) a try. I had a first time Legacy player who had just started Magic 2 months earlier achieve a positive record at a Grand Prix with it.
It's not as budget conscious as your build but I ran a deck that was similar for a few years. It didn't have the option of testing it against a lot of tier'd decks but I got to try it out against Merfolk, The Gate, Dredge, Reanimator, Shardless Bug and a couple rouge decks. I wouldn't say it had a positive record overall but it pulled out its wins here and there and was better in some matchups than you might think. Mine was probably a less consistent version with more potential for speed, when it would win it regularly won on turn 3.
I have been working on this deck for 3 years and I feel it is nearly perfected. It can regularly beat tier 1 decks (which I have extensively tested it against). If you are looking for a reasonably strong deck and Burn is just out of your budget, I suggest you give this $50 deck (with sideboard) a try. I had a first time Legacy player who had just started Magic 2 months earlier achieve a positive record at a Grand Prix with it.
I would love to hear about any other super budget decks that you've had success with.
Man, I would've loved that deck when I played MTG as a tween--throwing lots of red at opponents was my thing. I mean that in a good way; I had fun playtesting it a second ago.
It's not as budget conscious as your build but I ran a deck that was similar for a few years. It didn't have the option of testing it against a lot of tier'd decks but I got to try it out against Merfolk, The Gate, Dredge, Reanimator, Shardless Bug and a couple rouge decks. I wouldn't say it had a positive record overall but it pulled out its wins here and there and was better in some matchups than you might think. Mine was probably a less consistent version with more potential for speed, when it would win it regularly won on turn 3.
I would have strongly considered Piledriver but it is a bit expensive for a mega-budget deck like this. I should probably consider some graveyard hate in my SB. Between Faerie Macabre, Tormod's Crypt, Relic of Progenitus and Surgical Extraction, there are so many good choices...
Man, I would've loved that deck when I played MTG as a tween--throwing lots of red at opponents was my thing. I mean that in a good way; I had fun playtesting it a second ago.
Thanks! It is a fun and easy deck to play. I would probably get bored with playing it extensively but it is probably the cheapest way to pull a decent record at a Legacy tournament.
Did you play Goblin Warchief,Gempalm Incinerator or Matron in previous Versions of the Deck? Or was it a budget decision?
And what about Ringleader?
Nope. It wasn't my goal to make a budget version of the classic Goblins list. I am actually 2 Rishadan Port from being able to build that deck and I usually play Show and Tell, Elves, UB Tezzeret, Stoneblade or some form of URx Delver at tournaments. My deck started off wanting to be super cheap, play any reasonable 1-drop, 2-power goblins and Goblin Grenade and I just went from there. Warchief doesn't make much sense as most of my goblins cost R so he won't even reduce their cost. I would add another Chieftain before even considering copies of Warchief. Gempalm would be a reasonable card to play, honestly, but I probably don't play it because I want any "burn" to be able to go to the skull. Matron doesn't really have any "bullets" to go get besides Chieftain so again, I would play more of those before adding her. Ringleader is a great card but probably a tad slow and over-costed for this deck. Also, I play fewer goblin cards than the classic Goblins deck does.
I can definitely see how that deck could pull off a lot of wins just by surprising people... someone could easily think they've got a turn or two cushion at 15 life, and then you swing with 2 dudes, and cast goblin grenade, lightning bolt, fireblast for the win on turn 3. Very explosive... maybe even moreso than straight burn lists.
What do you think about Legion Loyalist in the place of Tatturmunges? I was thinking of putting this deck back together for people to borrow, and I feel like the haste and first strike for all the attackers could come in handy
What do you think about Legion Loyalist in the place of Tatturmunges? I was thinking of putting this deck back together for people to borrow, and I feel like the haste and first strike for all the attackers could come in handy
I don't know. It may be good, especially against something like Delver with Young Pyromancer but that is already a pretty good match-up.
This deck honestly dominates everything that doesn't gain life or combo-win by turn 3.
It looks quite usable/quick. I'd probably swap a fireblast for something. Best thing about it is obviously that it costs about as much as a wasteland. The thing about a deck like this is that it really has no "Got ya!" cards that suck when they're countered, except maybe fireblast. Everything else is throwaway and, minus mass removal, doesn't care.
It looks quite usable/quick. I'd probably swap a fireblast for something. Best thing about it is obviously that it costs about as much as a wasteland. The thing about a deck like this is that it really has no "Got ya!" cards that suck when they're countered, except maybe fireblast. Everything else is throwaway and, minus mass removal, doesn't care.
Its strengths and weaknesses are very similar to Burn. A weakness that it has compared to Burn is more reliance on the attack step. A strength that is has when compared to Burn is that it doesn't need as many cards to win. You can frequently win with just 5 non-land cards, where Burn usually needs 7.
I feel like this deck, like many burn decks, should run 2 copies of barbarian ring, just for a little extra reach with minimal downside (the biggest being you can't sac it to fireblast).
I feel like this deck, like many burn decks, should run 2 copies of barbarian ring, just for a little extra reach with minimal downside (the biggest being you can't sac it to fireblast).
I am not a big fan of Barbarian Ring, even in Burn. You have to run fetches and play lots of spells to go to your graveyard. This deck doesn't want fetches (and they aren't worth it for the Ring alone, and they severely hurt the affordability) and doesn't have as much going to its graveyard as Burn. Also, barbarian ring opens you up to wasteland. One Mountain against an unknown opponent or someone playing Wasteland (the third most common card in Legacy)...ok. The same scenario with Barbarian Ring...nope. Don't play Barbarian Ring in this deck.
Basically, you need to add stuff to fight combo and batterskull decks.
Combo has many flavors in legacy, that's why you need to take the most successful of them into account, such as ...
storm combo: that's when pyrostatic pillar shines (or should). The only problem is that they can combo out before you land the pillar. Sometimes you are lucky and they get into bolt range due to greedy Ad nauseam.
blue-based combo à-la Show and tell : Basically, Red elemental blast, the real problem is that they are most likely to side in Leyline of sanctity, but since you should be attacking with guys, it only shuts down your bolts and grenades.
Stoneforge mystic decks: batterskull is a nuisance, but sulfuric vortex negates the life gain and also adds to the pressure. Smash to smithereens is also a good card to side in vs batterskull.
Graveyard decks: reanimator and dredge can "combo out" before you can say 'bolt to the face', the counterpart is that they can be easily disrupted with Tormod's crypt or Relic of progenitus because they relay so much in GY recursion.
Thanks for the info! I just threw this deck together last night and am looking forward to play testing.
I didn't see your posts until now. What have you thought about the deck? The increase in Goblin Guide has really increased the price of the deck but it is still $100 with sideboard.
I really enjoy this deck, however the increase in Goblin Guide's price has doubled the total cost of the deck. I've been playtesting the same deck but using Legion Loyalist (very cheap) instead of him with some success. He doesn't hit as hard, but he's still a ping for one on the first turn, and the first strike and trample comes in handy when being blocked. With Legion Loyalist instead of Goblin Guide, the maindeck is $30.
Also, I know it doesn't fit the tribe, but what do you think about Eidolon of the Great Revel, and do you think it could be fit into this deck somehow? It seems like it has tremendous potential.
I bought this deck this weekend, but I've checked today the date from this post, it's from August 2013. Is there any updates for this deck? M15 seems to have good stuff for gobs.
I have been working on this deck for 3 years and I feel it is nearly perfected. It can regularly beat tier 1 decks (which I have extensively tested it against). If you are looking for a reasonably strong deck and Burn is just out of your budget, I suggest you give this $50 deck (with sideboard) a try. I had a first time Legacy player who had just started Magic 2 months earlier achieve a positive record at a Grand Prix with it.
I bought this deck this weekend, but I've checked today the date from this post, it's from August 2013. Is there any updates for this deck? M15 seems to have good stuff for gobs.
I have been working on this deck for 3 years and I feel it is nearly perfected. It can regularly beat tier 1 decks (which I have extensively tested it against). If you are looking for a reasonably strong deck and Burn is just out of your budget, I suggest you give this $50 deck (with sideboard) a try. I had a first time Legacy player who had just started Magic 2 months earlier achieve a positive record at a Grand Prix with it.
It's incredible how Eidolon changed this deck, I could win at turn three most of times against a $800 Elves Combo deck. It's incredible how three cards changes everything.
I have been working on this deck for 3 years and I feel it is nearly perfected. It can regularly beat tier 1 decks (which I have extensively tested it against). If you are looking for a reasonably strong deck and Burn is just out of your budget, I suggest you give this $50 deck (with sideboard) a try. I had a first time Legacy player who had just started Magic 2 months earlier achieve a positive record at a Grand Prix with it.
4 Goblin Guide
4 Tattermunge Maniac
4 Goblin Cohort
4 Goblin Bushwhacker
4 Goblin Arsonist
3 Goblin Chieftain
3 Mogg War-Marshal
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Goblin Grenade
4 Fireblast
2 Reckless Abandon
Land (20)
20 Mountain
2 Faerie Macabre
1 Sulfuric Vortex
4 Red Elemental Blast
1 Grim Lavamancer
2 Price of Progress
3 Pyrostatic Pillar
2 Smash to Smithereens
I would love to hear about any other super budget decks that you've had success with.
Standard: UWR
Modern: RDW, Twin
Legacy: I am 3 Candelabra of Tawnos from being able to build almost any tier 1 or 1.5 deck. Here are the ones I care about right now:
-Aggro: UWR/RUB/WUB/RUG/UR Delver; Affinity; Burn
-Control: Stoneblade; UWr Miracles; UB Tezzeret
-Combo: Hive Mind; Combo Elves; Omni Tell; T.E.S.
Vintage: Grixis Painter
EDH: Rith, the Awakener
3x Goblin Arsonist
4x Goblin Guide
4x Goblin Piledriver
1x Grim Lavamancer
4x Mogg Fanatic
4x Tattermunge Maniac
Instant (8)
4x Fireblast
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Chain Lightning
4x Goblin Grenade
4x Lava Spike
1x Reckless Abandon
Land (17)
13x Mountain
1x Scalding Tarn
3x Wooded Foothills
Artifact (2)
2x Lotus Petal
4x Price of Progress
4x Red Elemental Blast
3x Sulfuric Vortex
4x Tormod's Crypt
Man, I would've loved that deck when I played MTG as a tween--throwing lots of red at opponents was my thing. I mean that in a good way; I had fun playtesting it a second ago.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/legacy-type-1-5/661941-list-of-stores-that-support-legacy
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?28892-Compilation-Of-Legacy-Streams
I would have strongly considered Piledriver but it is a bit expensive for a mega-budget deck like this. I should probably consider some graveyard hate in my SB. Between Faerie Macabre, Tormod's Crypt, Relic of Progenitus and Surgical Extraction, there are so many good choices...
Thanks! It is a fun and easy deck to play. I would probably get bored with playing it extensively but it is probably the cheapest way to pull a decent record at a Legacy tournament.
Nope. It wasn't my goal to make a budget version of the classic Goblins list. I am actually 2 Rishadan Port from being able to build that deck and I usually play Show and Tell, Elves, UB Tezzeret, Stoneblade or some form of URx Delver at tournaments. My deck started off wanting to be super cheap, play any reasonable 1-drop, 2-power goblins and Goblin Grenade and I just went from there. Warchief doesn't make much sense as most of my goblins cost R so he won't even reduce their cost. I would add another Chieftain before even considering copies of Warchief. Gempalm would be a reasonable card to play, honestly, but I probably don't play it because I want any "burn" to be able to go to the skull. Matron doesn't really have any "bullets" to go get besides Chieftain so again, I would play more of those before adding her. Ringleader is a great card but probably a tad slow and over-costed for this deck. Also, I play fewer goblin cards than the classic Goblins deck does.
Standard: UWR
Modern: RDW, Twin
Legacy: I am 3 Candelabra of Tawnos from being able to build almost any tier 1 or 1.5 deck. Here are the ones I care about right now:
-Aggro: UWR/RUB/WUB/RUG/UR Delver; Affinity; Burn
-Control: Stoneblade; UWr Miracles; UB Tezzeret
-Combo: Hive Mind; Combo Elves; Omni Tell; T.E.S.
Vintage: Grixis Painter
EDH: Rith, the Awakener
I don't know. It may be good, especially against something like Delver with Young Pyromancer but that is already a pretty good match-up.
This deck honestly dominates everything that doesn't gain life or combo-win by turn 3.
Standard: UWR
Modern: RDW, Twin
Legacy: I am 3 Candelabra of Tawnos from being able to build almost any tier 1 or 1.5 deck. Here are the ones I care about right now:
-Aggro: UWR/RUB/WUB/RUG/UR Delver; Affinity; Burn
-Control: Stoneblade; UWr Miracles; UB Tezzeret
-Combo: Hive Mind; Combo Elves; Omni Tell; T.E.S.
Vintage: Grixis Painter
EDH: Rith, the Awakener
Look, Fetch, Draw, Look
Draw
Fetch
Look
Its strengths and weaknesses are very similar to Burn. A weakness that it has compared to Burn is more reliance on the attack step. A strength that is has when compared to Burn is that it doesn't need as many cards to win. You can frequently win with just 5 non-land cards, where Burn usually needs 7.
Standard: UWR
Modern: RDW, Twin
Legacy: I am 3 Candelabra of Tawnos from being able to build almost any tier 1 or 1.5 deck. Here are the ones I care about right now:
-Aggro: UWR/RUB/WUB/RUG/UR Delver; Affinity; Burn
-Control: Stoneblade; UWr Miracles; UB Tezzeret
-Combo: Hive Mind; Combo Elves; Omni Tell; T.E.S.
Vintage: Grixis Painter
EDH: Rith, the Awakener
I am not a big fan of Barbarian Ring, even in Burn. You have to run fetches and play lots of spells to go to your graveyard. This deck doesn't want fetches (and they aren't worth it for the Ring alone, and they severely hurt the affordability) and doesn't have as much going to its graveyard as Burn. Also, barbarian ring opens you up to wasteland. One Mountain against an unknown opponent or someone playing Wasteland (the third most common card in Legacy)...ok. The same scenario with Barbarian Ring...nope. Don't play Barbarian Ring in this deck.
Standard: UWR
Modern: RDW, Twin
Legacy: I am 3 Candelabra of Tawnos from being able to build almost any tier 1 or 1.5 deck. Here are the ones I care about right now:
-Aggro: UWR/RUB/WUB/RUG/UR Delver; Affinity; Burn
-Control: Stoneblade; UWr Miracles; UB Tezzeret
-Combo: Hive Mind; Combo Elves; Omni Tell; T.E.S.
Vintage: Grixis Painter
EDH: Rith, the Awakener
Thanks for the info! I just threw this deck together last night and am looking forward to play testing.
Standard: UWR
Modern: RDW, Twin
Legacy: I am 3 Candelabra of Tawnos from being able to build almost any tier 1 or 1.5 deck. Here are the ones I care about right now:
-Aggro: UWR/RUB/WUB/RUG/UR Delver; Affinity; Burn
-Control: Stoneblade; UWr Miracles; UB Tezzeret
-Combo: Hive Mind; Combo Elves; Omni Tell; T.E.S.
Vintage: Grixis Painter
EDH: Rith, the Awakener
Also, I know it doesn't fit the tribe, but what do you think about Eidolon of the Great Revel, and do you think it could be fit into this deck somehow? It seems like it has tremendous potential.
4 Foundry Street Denizen
4 Goblin Cohort
4 Legion Loyalist
4 Tattermunge Maniac
4 Goblin Bushwhacker
4 Mogg War Marshal
4 Goblin Chieftain
4 Goblin Grenade
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Fireblast
2 Reckless Abandon
//18 Lands:
18 Mountain
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
3 Price of Progress
2 Smash to Smithereens
2 Red Elemental Blast
2 Pyroblast
2 Faerie Macabre
Basically, you replace Goblin Guide with the Foundry Street Denizen + Legion Loyalist thing that is working in Modern and Standard.
Eidolon of the Great Revel replaces Pyrostatic Pillar in the sideboard, could probably be main-decked. Maybe also give Legion Loyalist a try in the deck.
U Merfolk | GR Tron | WUR Jeskai Control | WBG Abzan Company
EDH:
G Ezuri, Renegade Leader, Fighting for Rivendell
WU Brago, King Eternal, Long Live the King
WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon, Worship the Dragon
4 Tattermunge Maniac
4 Goblin Cohort
4 Goblin Bushwhacker
4 Goblin Arsonist
3 Goblin Chieftain
2 Mogg War-Marshal
3 Eidolon of the great revel
4 Goblin Grenade
4 Fireblast
2 Reckless Abandon