In order to have at least a given card in your hand, you must have 60/7 = 8.57 copies of that card. (60/8 = 7.5 if you're on the draw).
Given we have 10 cantrips and don't want to change this number, the expected number of cantrips in your starting hand is 1.17 (1.33 on the draw) so we must expect to have a land providing U in the 1st turn to use it if we want to, so we need at least 8.57 lands sources or blue.
If we can expect to use at least 1 cantrip in the 2 first turns, I think we can cut the lands to 17, provided we can expect 2.83 lands in the first 10 cards, but 3.12 if we're on the draw or if we use at least 1 cantrip.
So I think we can test this core:
And SB must have at least a Lab Man package IMO, it doesn't hurt at least I'll try one, maybe mine
What do you think about the other SB options I thought?
We also could try an Aether Spellbomb for Emrakul...
What else?
In order to have at least a given card in your hand, you must have 60/7 = 8.57 copies of that card. (60/8 = 7.5 if you're on the draw).
Given we have 10 cantrips and don't want to change this number, the expected number of cantrips in your starting hand is 1.17 (1.33 on the draw) so we must expect to have a land providing U in the 1st turn to use it if we want to, so we need at least 8.57 lands sources or blue.
If we can expect to use at least 1 cantrip in the 2 first turns, I think we can cut the lands to 17, provided we can expect 2.83 lands in the first 10 cards, but 3.12 if we're on the draw or if we use at least 1 cantrip.
So I think we can test this core:
And SB must have at least a Lab Man package IMO, it doesn't hurt at least I'll try one, maybe mine
What do you think about the other SB options I thought?
We also could try an Aether Spellbomb for Emrakul...
What else?
Will goldfish on Cockatrice in a few days.
I think as far as a core, that sounds like the right idea.
Sideboard is going to be a budget concern.
Here is a list to consider:
Discard(extras) duress/inquisition/cabal therapy
Massacre
Virtue's Ruin
Dread of Night
Shelldock Isle/Emrakul
Mental Note/Unearth/Lab Man (good for double leyline/lifegain/etc also emrakul vs these)
Chain of Vapor
Infernal Contract (if not mainboarded already)
Leyline of Sanctity (against discard decks maybe viable)
Abrupt Decay (with rainbow lands maybe viable)
There are a lot of open slots not having a wishboard.
It's also possible to add in more accel to the post board for matchups like Burn/Dredge/Combo and just try to race them and go for a more consistent turn 1-2 win.
Leyline of Sanctity (against discard decks maybe viable)
Looks like it's worh testing if the meta has plenty of decks that use the discard strategy. Though 4 of them are probably needed in the sideboard, to increase the chances of getting one in the opening hand.
Leyline of Sanctity looks cool on Discard and Burn matchups. I don't like to make this deck too expensive though, for my personal taste I'd better build this deck within the $200 budget, but I still think it fits. Will make some calculations. It's a good replacement for Chill (I was think about it, still good for more budget choices) as it isn't useful in MBC, for instance. Massacre looks the best option for weenies. And it doesn't break the bank as well...
I'll try Cremate instead of other GY hate because it stops Reanimator and it's a cantrip.
No love for Dispel in SB? Lab Man + [c/Chromatic Sphere[/c] saves us a slot in SB and it's failproof, but more mana intensive. Will try this for now.
Stompy, which accelerators are you thinking about?
I will try River of Tears as my 9-10th duals.
4x Dark Ritual
2x Rain of Filth (no more than 2 as multiples are terrible)
2x Cabal Ritual (less fruitful than DR and RoF)
I forgot LLoS was so expensive.
I think for graveyard hate your going to need something like surgical extraction or extirpate. Or budget option Fairie Macabe. But having instant speed is relevant as the harder matchups are going to be reanimator SNT. Dredge we should just focus on racing with more accel or something out of the board.
I would probably avoid running counterspells in general, they cost mana and don't give us as much information as discard.
River of Tears I've played with as a budget solution before. It's pretty useful, however it does require that you pay a little more attention to when you play your land for turn.
Chill looks strong.
What pile are you looking at for Lab man + sphere. What's the mana/cantrip/pass the turn requirements?
It's also possible to add in more accel to the post board for matchups like Burn/Dredge/Combo and just try to race them and go for a more consistent turn 1-2 win.
Which ones? I meant these ones. Mainboard I'll try 4 DR, 3 CR, and 1 RoF. Maybe 1 more CR and 1 RoF SB might do. And 2 Ponders?
I forgot LLoS was so expensive.
Yeah, but it's so useful. Better than Chill because it's mana-free and helps us with discard. Let's see if it fits in the budget. If not, it's gonna be Chills and more raw power...
River of Tears I've played with as a budget solution before. It's pretty useful, however it does require that you pay a little more attention to when you play your land for turn.
This is gonna be our easiest decision piloting this deck I will try 2 of this and 4 Gemstone Mines, might change the numbers when goldfishing.
What pile are you looking at for Lab man + sphere. What's the mana/cantrip/pass the turn requirements?
I think I would go with the setup i listed 4 DR, 2 CR, 2 RoF
And put 2 Cabla Rit in the Sideboard if you were going to go that way.
I'm thinking a budget list might need lab man. And sphere is probably stronger. As the mental note/unearth pile is slightly cheaper but less resilient and requires more space to board in.
I like the fairies.... Chill still feels weak. I'm sure theres something more useful.... I'd consider Extirpates/Surgicals as possibilities as well.
I think I would go with the setup i listed 4 DR, 2 CR, 2 RoF
And put 2 Cabla Rit in the Sideboard if you were going to go that way.
I'm thinking a budget list might need lab man. And sphere is probably stronger. As the mental note/unearth pile is slightly cheaper but less resilient and requires more space to board in.
I like the fairies.... Chill still feels weak. I'm sure theres something more useful.... I'd consider Extirpates/Surgicals as possibilities as well.
I'd want something that helps me against things like Burn. But maybe I don't need to... Nothing cheap in UB prevents damage or gains life... Will leave this match relatively uncovered. Will consider 1 RoF or Ponder / 3 IoK or SE instead of the Chills in my previous SB.
Massacre should help me already against some aggros, and I can ToA the opponent with IGG & DD in the pile to rinse & repeat if I need to gain time... Against T1 wins (cheeri0s, Belcher, etc.), I guess a well-put Duress or Probe/Cabal must do.
I'm quite proud to help tuning this deck. And (provided it doesn't use sac lands anymore) it should have another name, like DDBT, where B is budget
ya, ill change it to budget doomsday or something, and also try and add in a section to the first post to show the updated list and explain changes.
Maybe do that this weekend when i find time.
Also, i think we might have to deal with burn sucking. As the best answer is still silence.
Another possibility is Defense Grid This can be useful against counterspells and burn, or at least make it harder for burn to cast a load of fire on the turn we use doomsday.
I really love the idea of doomsday decks and I have been tempted to get into legacy recently. I think sac-lands are awesome, but I am worried about investing in a budget deck, just to find out that it is simply worse than other decks I will likely face.
Does this deck have a fair fighting chance, or at least a potential to be upgraded with non-budget cards to get on par with other popular legacy decks? What would you recommend adding if budget is not an issue?
I saw Sr_Stompy mentioning he might write a non-budget decklist, if this is still a possibility then I for one would love to see that.
Just thought I would also say thanks to Stompy for this thread, seeing as without it, I don't see myself getting interested in legacy considering its prices (doomsday is totally worth it though:P)
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoy it.
As far as non-budget goes, you can go for 5 color or UBRg DDFT. Although to be honest if you don't have a budget and want to go for DDFT you are better off going to the stormboards as that is where most of the better DDFT pilots/creators discuss the deck.
The non-budget is very competitive, I went 6-3 with it at SCG milwaukee, this budget list is still unproven. The sac-lands tendrils deck however has placed at some decent sized events and has been proven at least somewhat competitive.
If you're interested in learning and upgrading to DDFT, this is probably a good place to start. And if you enjoy storm decks eventually you will need LED's anyhow. Which added to this version would make it far far stronger as it greatly reduces pile costs and increases available mana.
I used the UB deck list and splashed white for silence and Orim's Chant. I wish Emakrul wasn't $25 dollars because I'd do the hide land combo as my sideboard.
tcgplayer using NM thru Heavy played is $122.
I'd avoid playing UBW because you'll need early defense (against opponent's discards, remove counters, key spells, you name it). Other thing is a proper amount of black mana post-DD you won't have using 4 adarkar wastes and 2 basics. Having 12 pain lands is dangerous in the mana base (otherwise I'd recommend City of Brass and even Forbidden Orchard). Do not forget that, post-DD, you'll lose half your life. Hurting yourself at the expense of budget is not recommended in this particular deck.
I think we could play 1 Silence mainboard and expect to use it eventually in our pile with Mine or Petal, but right now I doubt this is better than a Duress.
All these things put, I'd cockatrice this deck to see if I get mana screwed and/or get killed for having too much reactive defense (white spells) instead of proactive ones (black discards), having one less color as a bonus.
The Emmy+Shelldock is cool but fragile to Wasteland to my taste. I like Lab Man + Sphere better, mainly in this cheap deck.
IU replacing IC might do but, as Stompy said, you can have a different mana config and you'll be stuck in these cases.
Bottom line, if I had to splash a color, it'd be red for Burning Wish and Manamorphose, but it'd be no budget anymore
I personally like the white slash. Instead of the damage lands, would you recommened Darkslick shores? And maybe run pact of negation sideboard for blue mages?
I personally like the white slash. Instead of the damage lands, would you recommened Darkslick shores? And maybe run pact of negation sideboard for blue mages?
Lands: Seachrome Coast also might work. And Pact is OK too, if your budget allows.
ANyone have a problem with Ideas Unbound? I find meditate is usually more effective honestly. I just like having meditate + contract for mana options/life options.
I'd avoid this UU spell. It might be uncastable in several mana scenarios. And we need Meditate for the Lab Man pile
I still don't buy IGG totally in mainboard. But as I never piloted a DD deck before I might be ignorant. Maybe it adds resilience to the deck. If not, I'd replace it with one more ritual or cantrip and put IGG on SB.
Finally, Stompy, Do you really prefer Defense Grid instead of, say, some (3-4) Dispels against strong control decks? Some points:
- Quite often you need only one instance of it;
- You have the susprise element;
- It costs U against 2.
Edit: OTOH the Grid helps against burn. But I don't think it's worth the effort, dunno... maybe 2 of each... gosh, huge doubt huh? lol
I'd avoid this UU spell. It might be uncastable in several mana scenarios. And we need Meditate for the Lab Man pile
I still don't buy IGG totally in mainboard. But as I never piloted a DD deck before I might be ignorant. Maybe it adds resilience to the deck. If not, I'd replace it with one more ritual or cantrip and put IGG on SB.
Finally, Stompy, Do you really prefer Defense Grid instead of, say, some (3-4) Dispels against strong control decks? Some points:
- Quite often you need only one instance of it;
- You have the susprise element;
- It costs U against 2.
Edit: OTOH the Grid helps against burn. But I don't think it's worth the effort, dunno... maybe 2 of each... gosh, huge doubt huh? lol
Generally in combo proactive solutions are better. As they give you more knowledge. Defense grid can draw out counters, and make them spend mana. It also makes them start to do things like brainstorm during their turn so they cant be as tricky.
It also helps via burn. It doesn't cost mana on the combo turn. It may not be the best solution, however it is strong. And like xantid swarm, if it resolves, it's basically there for good.
I think surgical extraction would be better than the fairie, although budget might dictate that choice.
I think proactive spells beat reactive spells all the time in decks like these. Usually, my argument revolves around the LED/Counterspell nonbo, but even if you don't include that, I would say that I think proactive spells are better, and here's why.
The upside of winning with Doomsday is that you have the ability to calculate out basically your entire turn when you cast a Doomsday, but the drawback is that you are committed to whatever you decide to do because there isn't any turning back after you remove your whole deck from the game. When you play reactive spells, you have less control over what actually happens in the combo turn because you have to react to your opponent. All in all, what I'm saying is that I'd be surprised if you told me that you truly felt safe losing half your life and your entire deck with only a Dispel in hand.
Just chiming in real quick Stompy. I took your list to another legacy event today (legacy fnm starts earlier with respect to the older family men) and proceeded to go 7-0 with it. Thank you again sir for this primer.
Ah that would b the answer for the silence lol. I've been running this build hard at any event I go to. It's main appeal is that it takes the weight off of my mind tht I would have if I brought my full DDFT list to all events. I want to also say thank you to all who have put work into this thread. It is much appreciated.
@ThatVladGuy: Congratualations! That's awesome to hear. Sorry I haven't been around much. Had recently sold most of my collection (sans cheap storm cards) so haven't been as motivated to be on the forums.
However if people keep showing interest I can make sure to check in and throw some ideas around.
p.s. Hoping to over the course of the next year buy back into DDFT/TES.
Looks nice
I'd use 1 more Cabal maindeck and 1 RoF less.
Do you have this manabase? There are cheaper options.
For SB I'd consider Extirpate or Surgical Extraction instead of IoK. Even Faerie Macabre as a budget option. No 2nd IC, one more Cabal and RoF. The 2nd CoV is OK. You still have 6 open slots, maybe Defense Grid, Pithing Needle can help against control and some keycards.
If you need some extra brainstorming post here or pmsg. Eh nois
Also, Lab Man + Chromatic Star is stronger and a 2-card win. 1-mana more expensive but if both spells resolve, you can't lose anymore.
Given we have 10 cantrips and don't want to change this number, the expected number of cantrips in your starting hand is 1.17 (1.33 on the draw) so we must expect to have a land providing U in the 1st turn to use it if we want to, so we need at least 8.57 lands sources or blue.
If we can expect to use at least 1 cantrip in the 2 first turns, I think we can cut the lands to 17, provided we can expect 2.83 lands in the first 10 cards, but 3.12 if we're on the draw or if we use at least 1 cantrip.
So I think we can test this core:
17 lands (at least 9 providing blue; Darkslick Shores and Gemstone Mine are a must, which is the 3rd best budget option to put 1-2 copies?)
2 Big Draw cards
4 Lotus Petal
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
4 Doomsday
4 Lim-Dûl's Vault
10 Cantrips
8 Mana Accel.
8 Defense
And SB must have at least a Lab Man package IMO, it doesn't hurt at least I'll try one, maybe mine
What do you think about the other SB options I thought?
We also could try an Aether Spellbomb for Emrakul...
What else?
Will goldfish on Cockatrice in a few days.
Commander: Child of Alara BURGW, Adeliz, the Cinder Wind UR
Tiny Leaders: Gwafa, Hazid Profiteer UW
Regular Pauper: Stompy G, Mono-G Tron G, Infect G
I think as far as a core, that sounds like the right idea.
Sideboard is going to be a budget concern.
Here is a list to consider:
Discard(extras) duress/inquisition/cabal therapy
Massacre
Virtue's Ruin
Dread of Night
Shelldock Isle/Emrakul
Mental Note/Unearth/Lab Man (good for double leyline/lifegain/etc also emrakul vs these)
Chain of Vapor
Infernal Contract (if not mainboarded already)
Leyline of Sanctity (against discard decks maybe viable)
Abrupt Decay (with rainbow lands maybe viable)
There are a lot of open slots not having a wishboard.
It's also possible to add in more accel to the post board for matchups like Burn/Dredge/Combo and just try to race them and go for a more consistent turn 1-2 win.
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Looks like it's worh testing if the meta has plenty of decks that use the discard strategy. Though 4 of them are probably needed in the sideboard, to increase the chances of getting one in the opening hand.
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Massacre looks the best option for weenies. And it doesn't break the bank as well...
I'll try Cremate instead of other GY hate because it stops Reanimator and it's a cantrip.
No love for Dispel in SB?
Lab Man + [c/Chromatic Sphere[/c] saves us a slot in SB and it's failproof, but more mana intensive. Will try this for now.
Stompy, which accelerators are you thinking about?
I will try River of Tears as my 9-10th duals.
Commander: Child of Alara BURGW, Adeliz, the Cinder Wind UR
Tiny Leaders: Gwafa, Hazid Profiteer UW
Regular Pauper: Stompy G, Mono-G Tron G, Infect G
4x Dark Ritual
2x Rain of Filth (no more than 2 as multiples are terrible)
2x Cabal Ritual (less fruitful than DR and RoF)
I forgot LLoS was so expensive.
I think for graveyard hate your going to need something like surgical extraction or extirpate. Or budget option Fairie Macabe. But having instant speed is relevant as the harder matchups are going to be reanimator SNT. Dredge we should just focus on racing with more accel or something out of the board.
I would probably avoid running counterspells in general, they cost mana and don't give us as much information as discard.
River of Tears I've played with as a budget solution before. It's pretty useful, however it does require that you pay a little more attention to when you play your land for turn.
Chill looks strong.
What pile are you looking at for Lab man + sphere. What's the mana/cantrip/pass the turn requirements?
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UBRWGTESGWRBU
Which ones? I meant these ones. Mainboard I'll try 4 DR, 3 CR, and 1 RoF. Maybe 1 more CR and 1 RoF SB might do. And 2 Ponders?
Yeah, but it's so useful. Better than Chill because it's mana-free and helps us with discard. Let's see if it fits in the budget. If not, it's gonna be Chills and more raw power...
This is gonna be our easiest decision piloting this deck I will try 2 of this and 4 Gemstone Mines, might change the numbers when goldfishing.
Pile: Meditate, Dark Ritual, Lotus Petal, Chromatic Sphere, and Laboratory Maniac. Requires 3UB post-DD, one cantrip to take Meditate (so an additional U maybe), no pass, no instant kill can save the opponent, just a counterspell.
If you replace Dark Ritual with Rain of Filth, you have 4 lands in play, and the cantrip in your hand is Probe, the cost is 2UB post-DD.
So for now to build my SB I'd consider something like
4 Massacre
4 Faerie Macabre (mana-free and I already have 'em )
4 Chill
1 Laboratory Maniac
1 Chromatic Sphere
1 Cabal Ritual (actually is an open slot, could be IoK, Ponder, Chaon of Vapor...)
Now I'm thinking, Chill wrecks Burn, Goblins, and SnT... well well...
Will test.
Commander: Child of Alara BURGW, Adeliz, the Cinder Wind UR
Tiny Leaders: Gwafa, Hazid Profiteer UW
Regular Pauper: Stompy G, Mono-G Tron G, Infect G
And put 2 Cabla Rit in the Sideboard if you were going to go that way.
I'm thinking a budget list might need lab man. And sphere is probably stronger. As the mental note/unearth pile is slightly cheaper but less resilient and requires more space to board in.
I like the fairies.... Chill still feels weak. I'm sure theres something more useful.... I'd consider Extirpates/Surgicals as possibilities as well.
UBRWDDFTWBRU
UBRWGTESGWRBU
I'd want something that helps me against things like Burn. But maybe I don't need to... Nothing cheap in UB prevents damage or gains life... Will leave this match relatively uncovered. Will consider 1 RoF or Ponder / 3 IoK or SE instead of the Chills in my previous SB.
Massacre should help me already against some aggros, and I can ToA the opponent with IGG & DD in the pile to rinse & repeat if I need to gain time... Against T1 wins (cheeri0s, Belcher, etc.), I guess a well-put Duress or Probe/Cabal must do.
I'm quite proud to help tuning this deck. And (provided it doesn't use sac lands anymore) it should have another name, like DDBT, where B is budget
Commander: Child of Alara BURGW, Adeliz, the Cinder Wind UR
Tiny Leaders: Gwafa, Hazid Profiteer UW
Regular Pauper: Stompy G, Mono-G Tron G, Infect G
Maybe do that this weekend when i find time.
Also, i think we might have to deal with burn sucking. As the best answer is still silence.
Another possibility is Defense Grid This can be useful against counterspells and burn, or at least make it harder for burn to cast a load of fire on the turn we use doomsday.
UBRWDDFTWBRU
UBRWGTESGWRBU
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoy it.
As far as non-budget goes, you can go for 5 color or UBRg DDFT. Although to be honest if you don't have a budget and want to go for DDFT you are better off going to the stormboards as that is where most of the better DDFT pilots/creators discuss the deck.
The non-budget is very competitive, I went 6-3 with it at SCG milwaukee, this budget list is still unproven. The sac-lands tendrils deck however has placed at some decent sized events and has been proven at least somewhat competitive.
If you're interested in learning and upgrading to DDFT, this is probably a good place to start. And if you enjoy storm decks eventually you will need LED's anyhow. Which added to this version would make it far far stronger as it greatly reduces pile costs and increases available mana.
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UBRWGTESGWRBU
4 Underground River
4 Adarkar Wastes
4 Caves of Koilos
3 Gemstone Mine
1 Swamp
1 Plains
1 Island
Artifacts (4)
4 Lotus Petal
Instants (22)
4 Dark Ritual
4 Orim's Chant
4 Cabal Ritual
1 Rain of Filth
4 Lim-Dûl's Vault
4 Ponder
3 Silence
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Meditate
4 Doomsday
4 Gitaxian Probe
2 Preordain
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Ideas Unbound
2 Noxious Revival
1 Ill-gotten Gains
3 Dispel
3 Cremate
1 Echoing Truth
1 Infernal Contract
1 Laboratory Maniac
1 Chromatic Sphere
1 Ideas Unbound
1 Island
I used the UB deck list and splashed white for silence and Orim's Chant. I wish Emakrul wasn't $25 dollars because I'd do the hide land combo as my sideboard.
tcgplayer using NM thru Heavy played is $122.
"Death & Taxes"
Legacy:
"Death & Taxes"
I think we could play 1 Silence mainboard and expect to use it eventually in our pile with Mine or Petal, but right now I doubt this is better than a Duress.
All these things put, I'd cockatrice this deck to see if I get mana screwed and/or get killed for having too much reactive defense (white spells) instead of proactive ones (black discards), having one less color as a bonus.
The Emmy+Shelldock is cool but fragile to Wasteland to my taste. I like Lab Man + Sphere better, mainly in this cheap deck.
IU replacing IC might do but, as Stompy said, you can have a different mana config and you'll be stuck in these cases.
Bottom line, if I had to splash a color, it'd be red for Burning Wish and Manamorphose, but it'd be no budget anymore
Commander: Child of Alara BURGW, Adeliz, the Cinder Wind UR
Tiny Leaders: Gwafa, Hazid Profiteer UW
Regular Pauper: Stompy G, Mono-G Tron G, Infect G
"Death & Taxes"
Legacy:
"Death & Taxes"
Lands: Seachrome Coast also might work. And Pact is OK too, if your budget allows.
Commander: Child of Alara BURGW, Adeliz, the Cinder Wind UR
Tiny Leaders: Gwafa, Hazid Profiteer UW
Regular Pauper: Stompy G, Mono-G Tron G, Infect G
4 Darkslick Shores
4 Gemstone Mine
5 Swamp
4 Island
1 Plains
Artifacts (4)
4 Lotus Petal
Instants (22)
4 Dark Ritual
4 Orim's Chant
4 Cabal Ritual
1 Rain of Filth
4 Lim-Dûl's Vault
4 Ponder
3 Silence
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Meditate
4 Doomsday
4 Gitaxian Probe
2 Preordain
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Ideas Unbound
2 Noxious Revival
1 Ill-gotten Gains
2 Pact of Negation
2 Dispel
3 Cremate
1 Echoing Truth
1 Laboratory Maniac
1 Chromatic Sphere
1 Ideas Unbound
1 Slaughter Pact
"Death & Taxes"
Legacy:
"Death & Taxes"
ANyone have a problem with Ideas Unbound? I find meditate is usually more effective honestly. I just like having meditate + contract for mana options/life options.
UBRWDDFTWBRU
UBRWGTESGWRBU
I still don't buy IGG totally in mainboard. But as I never piloted a DD deck before I might be ignorant. Maybe it adds resilience to the deck. If not, I'd replace it with one more ritual or cantrip and put IGG on SB.
Finally, Stompy, Do you really prefer Defense Grid instead of, say, some (3-4) Dispels against strong control decks? Some points:
- Quite often you need only one instance of it;
- You have the susprise element;
- It costs U against 2.
Edit: OTOH the Grid helps against burn. But I don't think it's worth the effort, dunno... maybe 2 of each... gosh, huge doubt huh? lol
Then the SB would be something like 4 Massacre, 4 Faerie Macabre, 4 Dispel, 1 Laboratory Maniac, 1 Chromatic Sphere, and 1 open slot (IGG/cantrip/ritual/whatever).
Commander: Child of Alara BURGW, Adeliz, the Cinder Wind UR
Tiny Leaders: Gwafa, Hazid Profiteer UW
Regular Pauper: Stompy G, Mono-G Tron G, Infect G
Generally in combo proactive solutions are better. As they give you more knowledge. Defense grid can draw out counters, and make them spend mana. It also makes them start to do things like brainstorm during their turn so they cant be as tricky.
It also helps via burn. It doesn't cost mana on the combo turn. It may not be the best solution, however it is strong. And like xantid swarm, if it resolves, it's basically there for good.
I think surgical extraction would be better than the fairie, although budget might dictate that choice.
UBRWDDFTWBRU
UBRWGTESGWRBU
The upside of winning with Doomsday is that you have the ability to calculate out basically your entire turn when you cast a Doomsday, but the drawback is that you are committed to whatever you decide to do because there isn't any turning back after you remove your whole deck from the game. When you play reactive spells, you have less control over what actually happens in the combo turn because you have to react to your opponent. All in all, what I'm saying is that I'd be surprised if you told me that you truly felt safe losing half your life and your entire deck with only a Dispel in hand.
I'm sure Stompy would be happy to know that.
Unfortunately, he's temporarily taking a vacation from magic right now because of college. I know because he sent me a pm before leaving.
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UBRWDDFTWBRU
UBRWGTESGWRBU
1 Infernal Contract
4 Ponder
4 Gitaxian Probe
2 Preordain)
4 Dark Ritual
2 Cabal Ritual
2 Rain of Filth
4 Duress
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Lotus Petal
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
4 Doomsday
4 Lim-Dûl's Vault
Lands:
4 Watery Grave
4 Darkslick Shores
3 Gemstone Mine
6 Swamp
4 IoK
1 Infernal Contract
1 Chain of Vapor
2 Cabal Ritual
1 Thought Scour
1 Mental Note
1 Laboratory Maniac
1 Unearth
I'm following Alexandre "core" amount of cards of each type.
Tanks !
Tiago Silva
I'd use 1 more Cabal maindeck and 1 RoF less.
Do you have this manabase? There are cheaper options.
For SB I'd consider Extirpate or Surgical Extraction instead of IoK. Even Faerie Macabre as a budget option. No 2nd IC, one more Cabal and RoF. The 2nd CoV is OK. You still have 6 open slots, maybe Defense Grid, Pithing Needle can help against control and some keycards.
If you need some extra brainstorming post here or pmsg. Eh nois
Also, Lab Man + Chromatic Star is stronger and a 2-card win. 1-mana more expensive but if both spells resolve, you can't lose anymore.
Commander: Child of Alara BURGW, Adeliz, the Cinder Wind UR
Tiny Leaders: Gwafa, Hazid Profiteer UW
Regular Pauper: Stompy G, Mono-G Tron G, Infect G