The Yugioh relevance is directly to the entire purpose of your post. What you want WotC to do is exactly what Yugioh has done. Now I suggest you go and take a look at what that has done for that game.
As to your requests to "prove it" well there is no point. You hear and see and read what you want to.
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Last I heard yugioh still has plenty of players, or at least when I frequented my LGS when there were yugioh tournaments plenty of annoying ass yugioh kids would show up. If people give up magic because their collection value tanked, they are in the wrong game as it costs lots and lots of money to get into magic and for what? The EV is terrible for 99% or more of the magic playing population. If the game wasn't fun, sure the game would die if everything tanked but millions of people consider this game fun and I don't think it's because tapping 2 lands and casting a $125 green creature makes someone enjoy themselves.
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"Yawgmoth," Freyalise whispered as she set the bomb, "now you will pay for your treachery."
So how far did you dig? Did you catch the part where they print a card, let it inflate and then reprint in a tin followed by banning it?
Rational reasonable people are truly boring pointless things. You have a good day now.
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You know damn well they aren't going to make tarmogoyf a worthless card and then ban it, that's the difference. In yugioh they print some super busted *****, it's expensive because everyone actually needs it a la SFM and JTMS in cawblade standard, reprint, then ban because the card is super busted and requires a ban. You won't see WotC print some blatant broken ass ***** like tolarian academy, reprint it until it's worthless, and THEN ban it. All we're talking about here is card prices and how unreasonable they are. I left the game because the secondary market makes everything *****tier than it needs to be.
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Why if its such a waste of your time, why do you repost? Got a bit of free time? Hey the reserve list is the system in place. And unlike most, this one is legally binding. Get over it or go play Yugioh since you find it to be so appealing. And I know you don't care about this aspect of the game but go to ebay and check out the Yugioh secondary market. Notice how many auctions there are and what those prices reflect. If you type in Yugioh Cards you get something like 42,000 hits. Type Magic the gathering cards and see what comes up and tell me again WotC is doing it wrong.
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Barn. My collection is easily in the $15-20k range. I would be thrilled to see the reserved list abolished and tank that number if it gave more people the opportunity to play the game. I didn't buy cards with the expectation that they were going to support me in my old age, I bought them to use.
This is my attitude too. I don't care if my cardboard tanked, I'm not selling it anyway.
Why can't they just announce that the reserve list will be abolished 10years from now?
Wizards don't need to announce if they're going to reprint anything or not, just simply that the option is there.
Surely that would be more than reasonable, as it would give all the collectors or people who own Duals, LED's etc. time to move on their expensive cardboard, of they wished to.
Thing is, MTG is bigger than ever, and these cards are getting less and less accessible. It's not a good place to be in, unless Wizards actually want Vintage and Legacy to just fade away.....
I think you are missing a large point. Namely that it is not in Wizards interest to do so. Yes they COULD make some fast cash with this and reprinting would make them money HOWEVER, a) Legacy is one of the most fun formats to play b) Once you have the cards/deck you like you don't need to buy anything else. Its a one tiem shot and they kill people who might buy their other products. To keep getting money they have to either a) Mix up the format of Legacy by banning/unbanning stuff at semi regularly periods (against the idea of the format) b) Print new more powerful cards that make old cards obsulute creating a power votex. The things that make the formate GREAT for us make it terrable for wizards.
Bottom line you ask a standard player or even a modern player if money was off the table (say you were given a deck to play but had to return it after) Most would say they want to play Legacy. We can even see this with RL cards that are legacy playable.
One time shots of money are great but NOT if it kills regualar money in the process.
re: Damagecase's posts regarding the game's value. There's a bit of a point in it, but that point isn't as drastic has he's making it out to be. Magic has thrived over the last two decades because PART of the appeal is the collectibility of cards that hold or increase value. It's not just a "card game." It's not just a "trading card game." It's a "collectible trading card game." The only way to get people to care about the "collectible" part is to have an inherent value, which can be achieved through monetary value or playability value or both.
That said, this is an incredibly flexible concept. It has a minimum and a maximum somewhere, but I don't think the game has hit either end of the spectrum yet. Abolishing the Reserved List and then crashing the market with a flood of reprints MAY hit the minimum, but nobody knows. Doing nothing and keeping the status quo MAY someday hit the maximum, but it hasn't yet and again, nobody knows. But what seems obvious to me is that abolishing the Reserved List and adopting a CONSERVATIVE reprint policy on Reserved List cards would keep the game and format well within the healthy middle of that spectrum.
You can't discount scarcity and price from the game because it's one of the things that have made some cards highly sought after.
If Wizards really cared about playability when it started, they would just sell decks containing all cards for everyone who wants to play the game of magic. there's plenty of board games like this. there is a reason wizards sells booster packs at a certain price with rares being rares and mystic rares being that much harder to get. it's to make money. if nothing was scarce, then wizards would be making a lot less money.
you can argue that not printing cards from the reserve list...every year would still keep some of the value of the older cards (i still prefer playing with the older, original print because nothing is better than nostalgia.) but then you get into the issue of how often you release those cards.
i personally think the original cards should hold their value over the time...but seeing how recent reprints have affected older cards makes me wonder why they haven't as much.
Why don't they just abolish the reserved list once and for all? Will people actually sue if they do this? Who cares about a bunch of collectors having their collections tank? I thought wizards doesn't even care much about the secondary market?
Why don't they just abolish the reserved list once and for all? Will people actually sue if they do this? Who cares about a bunch of collectors having their collections tank? I thought wizards doesn't even care much about the secondary market?
They will not currently abolish the Reserved List because they made a promise. They do not wish to become known as the company that doesn't keep its promises. Even if those promises are directly damaging to their products, including their flagship games.
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It's about time for the reserved list to die, for the sake of Vintage and Legacy (And Commander).
****Damagecase's arguments make the most sense out of everything I have read on this blog.
If the game has no value, the game will cease to be
Prove it.
***Well This is true. Please see stamp collecting, baseball cards, comic books (which can be played with), and beenie babies.
Sure they could reprint all your cards into oblivion tomorrow but have fun playing with yourself.
This would not happen. The opposite would.
***This is mostly true. The big boys will survive a mass reprinting and stores that did not invest in reserve list cards would also survive. However stores with
a massive supply in Legacy staples would be in big trouble. The margins are already thin for your LGS. It is likely that many of your local gaming stores would go out of business.
If you wanna invest a bunch of money to pass the time and then have absolutely zero chance on any kind of return beyond "the fun of it" be my guest and see how far that goes.
It has been going for me and many, many, many thousands or possibly millions of players, for decades. And it will continue to be for, predictably, decades more.
*** Again Damagecase is correct,overall. There are some rich players or altruistic players that might be an exception, but most people expect some type of return for their cards. Remember that most people pay 90-100 dollars a booster box shipped or picked up from the
store. So why on earth would you pay that much for cards that have no value. You realize that monopoly can be had for 20 bucks. Dominion can be had for 30-40 bucks. Why on earth do you pay 90-100 for
magic cards. Could it be that they hold some value?
I would, however suggest a pass time like become an alcoholic if that is all your going for.
and I would suggest you to **** off and shut up. Your suggestion makes no sense, mine is at least constructive and improves the community.
Further, how are the Yugioh numbers these days? Lots of tournaments? Huge payouts? Is doing as well as magic? That I doubt.
***Damagecase;s yugioh example is correct. A better example is the game "Force of Will" - It is like magic, Yugioh and pokemon. The company over-printed and dropped 100 dollar cards to 10 bucks or less
through mass reprints to satisfy corporate greed and players who wanted mass reprints. People lost confidence in the game holding value
and now the cards are basically worthless. You can now pick up booster boxes of Force of Will well under dealer cost.
No idea, it is one of the few card games I actually never played. Relevance?
Yes it's immensely diverse but what is two life against sneak show or reanimator or dredge?
*** The only case where damagecase is wrong. Two life does matter. Legacy is a game of inches.
To the person who started this blog. Kudos to you! Some system that rewards players/collectors should be done if they abolish the reserve list.
Your idea may or may not work, but I like the idea of Wotc finally rewarding players and not their corporate pocket books.
....okay I am gonna correct so misconceptions. Yugioh is growing dramatically right now for a multitude of reasons and has just recently held its largest tournament to date at worlds a few months ago.
Furthermore despite some issues with the current anime seasons has had exceptional if not record cycles despite that. In records to YGO payouts it's complicated, but on the local level better than MtG Equivalent.
In that for entering you must receive a prize pack period no questions ask for all tournaments if you are not DQ'd. Second more relavently, YGO not allowed to give our monetary rewards because of contractual reasons.
And you know those box of worthless cards, people buy them because their not worthless, as their are good cards at every rarity in most sets and your not playing a complete lottery unlike MtG.
Because YGO players know reprints happen, rarity trading is a thing it is not uncommon to see known trouble make at 30 be traded for a same rarity card at 10. Simply because players know reprints and bans will happen (heck there even a time table if you follow the game).
And finally however remember YGO sets do not often contain reprints out of dedicated reprint sets or Extra packs.
The unfortunate reality for collectors is that eventually Wizards will have to dismantle the reserve list. The idea was flawed from the beginning and locked away a lot of the design space they once had access to. They can't even print a land that taps another land because Rishadan Port is on the list, and the same can be said of Volrath's Stronghold and any functional reprinting of similar cards with useful, standard playable effects. The reserve list also has unintentionally started and funded an entire underground proxy market that plagues the 2nd hand market to this day, which also enabled an entire proxy market for modern as well since it's so profitable.
As for YuGiOh, that game has secretly stolen the thunder from a lot of TCGs on the market. I used to play it back when it was god awful and nothing but power creep, but they finally started turning things around probably two or three years ago? I've been out of touch with the game, but it's been improving drastically. Also, a lot of TCGs offer better value than MtG at the moment as far as good cards at all rarities. MtG mostly stays afloat because of it's strong history with the older player base and the fact it's the only true western fantasy TCG on the market. Even force of will was more fairy tale and less tolkien inspired fantasy, but unfortunately given the design and story direction MtG is in danger of losing that aspect of itself as well.
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2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Rishadan Port isn't on the reserved list. It's banned in the Masques block, is that what you mean?... maybe?
Huh, I just went back and checked and you are right. Kind of funny they haven't actually reprinted it...
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3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I currently don't play Legacy, but I love the format, and follow the tournaments and meta. Hopefully, one day I can finally get into the format. Even then, I don't think the reserve list should be broken in any way.
The game requires players and value to stay strong. Players give the cards value, value keeps players in the game. YUGIOH was not a good example - its old enough that there is already value in cards, and that will keep people in the game and help it to grow. Look at Force of Will (the card game), Vanguard, GoT, Shadow Era, Netrunner etc. I've played all of them, and like many other players I left after a while. The current flavor of the season at my LGS is the Final Fantasy card game. Just like all the other games I mentioned, there'll be tournament support, a decent playerbase, and in a year no one will remember the game. All of these games are immensely fun, but they are dead or are dying because the cards lacked value, and hence lacked collectibility.
Think of why Hearthstone and Shadowverse are successful beyond their accessibility. Or Pokemon or YUGIOH for that matter. It's because it takes effort to build a collection, and that keeps people in the game. If every card in magic tanked in value, sure people can play more. But it makes it easier for people to leave and harder to keep people invested.
This don't affect existing players who love the game that much. But for getting newer players this is a problem. New players can come in, spend a hundred plus, play a couple weeks, and then change to whatever new game is hot. Magic won't die immediately, but it won't grow either, and eventually the game will die. It's a bit of a stretch, but reserved list cards are the carrot on the stick for new players and the older players that spent so much effort getting the carrot arent going to give it up easily.
Wizards has always been receptive to what the players want. And the players have been very vocal about the reserved list. But I think this is the one thing where I'll admit that Wizards knows better than the Players, and I'm happy about that.
I don't think the credit value trade is necessary. I think you can just do it by having an announcement that they'll discontinue the Reserved List and will buy back any Reserved List cards at a price equal to the value of that card the day before the announcement (or the day before the announcement is leaked, since that seems almost inevitable nowadays). While this could be expensive, I feel it would more than be offset by the flood of sales for packs including the newly printed ex-Reserved list cards. And the biggest thing is that it nullifies any "promissory estoppel" claims collectors could have against WOTC for going back on their promise of keeping up the Reserved List. In order to assert that claim, a party must have suffered a detriment by relying on the promise. Take away the detriment and you're all set.
You are aware thats over 100 million sets right? Lets say half of them have been destroyed over the years, at 50 million cards at say $100 (low ball for a duel land but whatver) thats $5 Billion, that is unsustainable and simply too much (and this is for 1 card their are 10 duels on the list alone not counting other stuff like Lotus/Mox ect)
I think the best solution would be to expand the Reserved List so it would help bring back consumer confidence by eliminating wallet fatigue with booster boxes actually being worth value for players and collectors who buy Magic products. It makes no sense to reprint high value cards into oblivion until they're worth nothing unless there's a change with their reprint policy.
Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro probably thought that this would help drive the barrier of entry for Standard, Modern, and Legacy down when all it did was hurt collectors who are the one's buying most of the product when there's no value to be made from these tournament legal sets, it's Reserved List of bust. This is how the company is giving players a free pass without even realizing that they're squeezing out collectors who are the one's keeping the game alive.
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"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
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One set of data I've been interested in seeing for a while is...
Let's say they do a reprint run of just the reserved list - all in one set - specifically to increase the number of cards available on the market. How many copies of each card, in how many print runs (or sets), would it take to exhaust the demand of those interested, or potentially interested, in playing Legacy such that the price of each would fall enough to get them to buy in?
We saw a phenomenon with the first reprint of Tarmogoyf in MM13 where the price actually increased significantly, largely because the demand wasn't yet met while the supply increased and the popularity of Modern grew. It took three more reprintings to get the price down to ~ a quarter of its peak. Even now, many players consider $60 too much for them to buy into that card. Not to mention the original printing is still around $90. (Ref. [mtggoldfish . com] and [mtgprice . com] for the prices and trend info)
As the supply of a given card increases, would the real market for the card increase significantly as well, thus offsetting the drop in price? Would it take four reprint "Reserved Masters" sets for Underground Sea to drop to $50? Six? And in that event would a Revised copy drop below $200?
I'm leading the following assertion with these questions: One or two reprint runs of the entire reserved list likely wouldn't impact collectors all that significantly from a dollar value perspective, and certainly not from the perspective of having the prestige of owning the originals, while potentially dramatically increasing the number of players participating in the older formats since they could buy sealed product for potentially orders of magnitude less cost than buying the originals.
They have not and will not reprint to flood the market so the impact is minimal. The slight aside to that is alternate art/frames also create another market for the same card without really affecting the price too much for the original. That kind of highlights that ultimately if they use different art for a reprint they could potentially flood the market with that version to keep a low price for a playable version while maintaining the collectability of the original.
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My "Reserved Masters" is the reductio ad absurdum example to illustrate the point. Of course any real reserved list reprint policy would manifest in many sets over the course of many years. As I'm confident you'd agree, this would result in many more players participating in older formats over time while not undermining the confidence the collectors have in the value of their collections.
It really just boils down to a problem of messaging on Wizards part.
They have not and will not reprint to flood the market so the impact is minimal. The slight aside to that is alternate art/frames also create another market for the same card without really affecting the price too much for the original. That kind of highlights that ultimately if they use different art for a reprint they could potentially flood the market with that version to keep a low price for a playable version while maintaining the collectability of the original.
They've already been doing this but with non-Reserved List reprints in Masters sets, From the Vault, Commander, Gift Boxes, etc. to the point where it becomes much harder to turn a profit in order for the game to sustain itself long term. Catering exclusively to casual markets doesn't help get more people into playing Magic, it's quite the opposite in fact.
They can't afford to keep printing Standard legal sets with only EDH/Commander in mind which is why they desperately need to change their design philosophy. By going back to the old way of doing things you end up creating an environment where players and collectors can still turn a profit off of Standard, Modern, and Legacy without having to exclusively profit off of the Reserved List.
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As to your requests to "prove it" well there is no point. You hear and see and read what you want to.
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I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
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Rational reasonable people are truly boring pointless things. You have a good day now.
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I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
This is my attitude too. I don't care if my cardboard tanked, I'm not selling it anyway.
Why can't they just announce that the reserve list will be abolished 10years from now?
Wizards don't need to announce if they're going to reprint anything or not, just simply that the option is there.
Surely that would be more than reasonable, as it would give all the collectors or people who own Duals, LED's etc. time to move on their expensive cardboard, of they wished to.
Thing is, MTG is bigger than ever, and these cards are getting less and less accessible. It's not a good place to be in, unless Wizards actually want Vintage and Legacy to just fade away.....
Bottom line you ask a standard player or even a modern player if money was off the table (say you were given a deck to play but had to return it after) Most would say they want to play Legacy. We can even see this with RL cards that are legacy playable.
One time shots of money are great but NOT if it kills regualar money in the process.
That said, this is an incredibly flexible concept. It has a minimum and a maximum somewhere, but I don't think the game has hit either end of the spectrum yet. Abolishing the Reserved List and then crashing the market with a flood of reprints MAY hit the minimum, but nobody knows. Doing nothing and keeping the status quo MAY someday hit the maximum, but it hasn't yet and again, nobody knows. But what seems obvious to me is that abolishing the Reserved List and adopting a CONSERVATIVE reprint policy on Reserved List cards would keep the game and format well within the healthy middle of that spectrum.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
If Wizards really cared about playability when it started, they would just sell decks containing all cards for everyone who wants to play the game of magic. there's plenty of board games like this. there is a reason wizards sells booster packs at a certain price with rares being rares and mystic rares being that much harder to get. it's to make money. if nothing was scarce, then wizards would be making a lot less money.
you can argue that not printing cards from the reserve list...every year would still keep some of the value of the older cards (i still prefer playing with the older, original print because nothing is better than nostalgia.) but then you get into the issue of how often you release those cards.
i personally think the original cards should hold their value over the time...but seeing how recent reprints have affected older cards makes me wonder why they haven't as much.
They will not currently abolish the Reserved List because they made a promise. They do not wish to become known as the company that doesn't keep its promises. Even if those promises are directly damaging to their products, including their flagship games.
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***Well This is true. Please see stamp collecting, baseball cards, comic books (which can be played with), and beenie babies.
Sure they could reprint all your cards into oblivion tomorrow but have fun playing with yourself.
This would not happen. The opposite would.
***This is mostly true. The big boys will survive a mass reprinting and stores that did not invest in reserve list cards would also survive. However stores with
a massive supply in Legacy staples would be in big trouble. The margins are already thin for your LGS. It is likely that many of your local gaming stores would go out of business.
If you wanna invest a bunch of money to pass the time and then have absolutely zero chance on any kind of return beyond "the fun of it" be my guest and see how far that goes.
It has been going for me and many, many, many thousands or possibly millions of players, for decades. And it will continue to be for, predictably, decades more.
*** Again Damagecase is correct,overall. There are some rich players or altruistic players that might be an exception, but most people expect some type of return for their cards. Remember that most people pay 90-100 dollars a booster box shipped or picked up from the
store. So why on earth would you pay that much for cards that have no value. You realize that monopoly can be had for 20 bucks. Dominion can be had for 30-40 bucks. Why on earth do you pay 90-100 for
magic cards. Could it be that they hold some value?
I would, however suggest a pass time like become an alcoholic if that is all your going for.
and I would suggest you to **** off and shut up. Your suggestion makes no sense, mine is at least constructive and improves the community.
Further, how are the Yugioh numbers these days? Lots of tournaments? Huge payouts? Is doing as well as magic? That I doubt.
***Damagecase;s yugioh example is correct. A better example is the game "Force of Will" - It is like magic, Yugioh and pokemon. The company over-printed and dropped 100 dollar cards to 10 bucks or less
through mass reprints to satisfy corporate greed and players who wanted mass reprints. People lost confidence in the game holding value
and now the cards are basically worthless. You can now pick up booster boxes of Force of Will well under dealer cost.
No idea, it is one of the few card games I actually never played. Relevance?
Yes it's immensely diverse but what is two life against sneak show or reanimator or dredge?
*** The only case where damagecase is wrong. Two life does matter. Legacy is a game of inches.
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Your idea may or may not work, but I like the idea of Wotc finally rewarding players and not their corporate pocket books.
Furthermore despite some issues with the current anime seasons has had exceptional if not record cycles despite that. In records to YGO payouts it's complicated, but on the local level better than MtG Equivalent.
In that for entering you must receive a prize pack period no questions ask for all tournaments if you are not DQ'd. Second more relavently, YGO not allowed to give our monetary rewards because of contractual reasons.
And you know those box of worthless cards, people buy them because their not worthless, as their are good cards at every rarity in most sets and your not playing a complete lottery unlike MtG.
Because YGO players know reprints happen, rarity trading is a thing it is not uncommon to see known trouble make at 30 be traded for a same rarity card at 10. Simply because players know reprints and bans will happen (heck there even a time table if you follow the game).
And finally however remember YGO sets do not often contain reprints out of dedicated reprint sets or Extra packs.
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Sidisi, Brood Tyrant Morphentress (Commander) GUB
I also play YGO (DragunFusion) and Hearthstone (Dragon Control Warrior)
As for YuGiOh, that game has secretly stolen the thunder from a lot of TCGs on the market. I used to play it back when it was god awful and nothing but power creep, but they finally started turning things around probably two or three years ago? I've been out of touch with the game, but it's been improving drastically. Also, a lot of TCGs offer better value than MtG at the moment as far as good cards at all rarities. MtG mostly stays afloat because of it's strong history with the older player base and the fact it's the only true western fantasy TCG on the market. Even force of will was more fairy tale and less tolkien inspired fantasy, but unfortunately given the design and story direction MtG is in danger of losing that aspect of itself as well.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Huh, I just went back and checked and you are right. Kind of funny they haven't actually reprinted it...
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
The game requires players and value to stay strong. Players give the cards value, value keeps players in the game. YUGIOH was not a good example - its old enough that there is already value in cards, and that will keep people in the game and help it to grow. Look at Force of Will (the card game), Vanguard, GoT, Shadow Era, Netrunner etc. I've played all of them, and like many other players I left after a while. The current flavor of the season at my LGS is the Final Fantasy card game. Just like all the other games I mentioned, there'll be tournament support, a decent playerbase, and in a year no one will remember the game. All of these games are immensely fun, but they are dead or are dying because the cards lacked value, and hence lacked collectibility.
Think of why Hearthstone and Shadowverse are successful beyond their accessibility. Or Pokemon or YUGIOH for that matter. It's because it takes effort to build a collection, and that keeps people in the game. If every card in magic tanked in value, sure people can play more. But it makes it easier for people to leave and harder to keep people invested.
This don't affect existing players who love the game that much. But for getting newer players this is a problem. New players can come in, spend a hundred plus, play a couple weeks, and then change to whatever new game is hot. Magic won't die immediately, but it won't grow either, and eventually the game will die. It's a bit of a stretch, but reserved list cards are the carrot on the stick for new players and the older players that spent so much effort getting the carrot arent going to give it up easily.
Wizards has always been receptive to what the players want. And the players have been very vocal about the reserved list. But I think this is the one thing where I'll admit that Wizards knows better than the Players, and I'm happy about that.
You are aware thats over 100 million sets right? Lets say half of them have been destroyed over the years, at 50 million cards at say $100 (low ball for a duel land but whatver) thats $5 Billion, that is unsustainable and simply too much (and this is for 1 card their are 10 duels on the list alone not counting other stuff like Lotus/Mox ect)
Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro probably thought that this would help drive the barrier of entry for Standard, Modern, and Legacy down when all it did was hurt collectors who are the one's buying most of the product when there's no value to be made from these tournament legal sets, it's Reserved List of bust. This is how the company is giving players a free pass without even realizing that they're squeezing out collectors who are the one's keeping the game alive.
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
-----The Legacy Flowchart-----
Tiny Leaders Overlord
Let's say they do a reprint run of just the reserved list - all in one set - specifically to increase the number of cards available on the market. How many copies of each card, in how many print runs (or sets), would it take to exhaust the demand of those interested, or potentially interested, in playing Legacy such that the price of each would fall enough to get them to buy in?
We saw a phenomenon with the first reprint of Tarmogoyf in MM13 where the price actually increased significantly, largely because the demand wasn't yet met while the supply increased and the popularity of Modern grew. It took three more reprintings to get the price down to ~ a quarter of its peak. Even now, many players consider $60 too much for them to buy into that card. Not to mention the original printing is still around $90. (Ref. [mtggoldfish . com] and [mtgprice . com] for the prices and trend info)
As the supply of a given card increases, would the real market for the card increase significantly as well, thus offsetting the drop in price? Would it take four reprint "Reserved Masters" sets for Underground Sea to drop to $50? Six? And in that event would a Revised copy drop below $200?
I'm leading the following assertion with these questions: One or two reprint runs of the entire reserved list likely wouldn't impact collectors all that significantly from a dollar value perspective, and certainly not from the perspective of having the prestige of owning the originals, while potentially dramatically increasing the number of players participating in the older formats since they could buy sealed product for potentially orders of magnitude less cost than buying the originals.
Legacy - WRG Lands, WR Shortcake, RR Burn, UBRG Delver
-----The Legacy Flowchart-----
Tiny Leaders Overlord
My "Reserved Masters" is the reductio ad absurdum example to illustrate the point. Of course any real reserved list reprint policy would manifest in many sets over the course of many years. As I'm confident you'd agree, this would result in many more players participating in older formats over time while not undermining the confidence the collectors have in the value of their collections.
It really just boils down to a problem of messaging on Wizards part.
Legacy - WRG Lands, WR Shortcake, RR Burn, UBRG Delver
They can't afford to keep printing Standard legal sets with only EDH/Commander in mind which is why they desperately need to change their design philosophy. By going back to the old way of doing things you end up creating an environment where players and collectors can still turn a profit off of Standard, Modern, and Legacy without having to exclusively profit off of the Reserved List.
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta