Playing against a more casual player who basically has bad decks backed by OP cards like Demonic Tutor and the aforementioned lotus. Trying to wean him into more competitive, standard (the descriptor, not necessarily the format) decklists so that we can have more interactive games. Guy told me to get on his level and use some OP cards of my own instead.
So far I built an eggs deck that still can't win before turn 3 usually (although recurring lotus 10 times is fun!) and an Oops, all spells! deck that's about 50-50. Can I do better?
Legacy ban list isn't necessarily about turn 1 kills. it is about consistency and raw power. there are plenty of turn 1 kills in legacy without black lotus if you really want to kill him try flashing in a protean hulk and kill him in his upkeep via manamorphose
There are storm variants with over 50% turn one kill rate currently (they just have zero game against Force of Will). Before you do anything fancy, I'd try just running Spanish Inquisition with Black lotuses in place of Lotus Petals
First, guy sounds like an idiot. Keep that in mind.
Second; just run a Mishra's Workshop list of 4x Chalice, 4x Trinisphere, 4x Lodestone, etc..
You'll lock him out every game you go first. He'll win when he goes first (probably.)
Oops all spells with 4 lotus is pretty obscene. Just because it was kind of vague do you mean EVERYTHING unbanned/allowed as a 4 of or just legacy with black lotus included but not flash or anything else. If it's just legacy with black lotus included my first inclination would be spanish inquisition with 4 lotuses in place of probably chrome mox or something. It wouldn't be lotus petal I would ever replace in PSI as it's just broken there and an initial mana source. Could replace summoner's pact, chrome mox, cabal ritual, or flex slots like manamorphose. I imagine that deck with black lotus x8 in the form of 4 lotus and 4 LED would turn 1 90% of the time with relative ease since it's already pushing 70% turn 1 win rate in the hands of some pilots.
As for a person playing legacy 'casually' with lotus, demonic tutor, etc. etc. that just sounds stupid. Most casual players don't own power 9 to begin with unless they got it back in the day from packs or something.
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So far I built an eggs deck that still can't win before turn 3 usually (although recurring lotus 10 times is fun!) and an Oops, all spells! deck that's about 50-50. Can I do better?
And I know if you throw out the whole banlist storm can kill 90%. That's not what the title is asking.
Second; just run a Mishra's Workshop list of 4x Chalice, 4x Trinisphere, 4x Lodestone, etc..
You'll lock him out every game you go first. He'll win when he goes first (probably.)
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As for a person playing legacy 'casually' with lotus, demonic tutor, etc. etc. that just sounds stupid. Most casual players don't own power 9 to begin with unless they got it back in the day from packs or something.
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