The way the banned list is right now is that particular strategies are really good for years on end.
I'd prefer to have a banned list which is seasonal or every two or three months, this wouldn't madly fluctuate the value of staple cards like Dark Confidant that are rares, or like Tarmogoyf, and if cards like that were ever banned (just making examples) they'd be on and off the list for a short duration, but the cards I think need regular bannings and non-bannings like in and out of rotation are cards like these,
Your idea only makes sence if people have a massive card pool and multiple decks.
You really cant force a player to have that, and it is counter productive aswell.
Legacy is a format in which players build some kind of deck and stick to it for a very long time, like a pet deck, even if its not tier 1, they will just play it as they like it and have the cards.
Just building a new legacy deck from scratch is a really expensive deal, people dont really do that.
In our local shop we tryd something along that lines "years" ago.
It worked like this:
The winning deck of a tournament will be "banned" for the next event onward, so the banned list becomes bigger and bigger, but we started with no banned cards at all. Every single card in it, will be banned, lands, spells, creatures, everything. And yes basic lands are banned aswell, which makes it pretty nuts after some tournaments to build a manabase at all.
A players decklist that is "unique" and has no card thats in any other players decklist, starts with 3 byes at wish (a fact that massively made deck building a challenge, to produce decks that are super wacky and still have hopes to win).
To do that "unique" check we enforced digital deck lists for everyone (its the time of internet and use-sticks, everyone was able to do so, way better than hand-writen decklists).
If 50% of your deck was unique, you got 2 byes, if just 25% of your deck (sideboard included btw) was unique, at least 1 bye.
And bye means free win, they still get paired and still play against the opponent, but they still get the 3 points regardless and can earn just another 3 points if they win.
In general this fancy option worked for some time, but its much work and as i said, it only really works with people that have the option to build many different decks and have the cards to do so.
Just building decks for a tournament becomes a real challenge in itself and doing so while having a working deck is harder every time, especially if you want to build "unique" lists that can cash in the bonus points and still wreck others.
Its pretty nice event in itself, but obvisiously cant work forever.
But the overall problem is that you really need players with massive card pools and some people really want to play the pet deck they played for years and it wont do any good to throw in bannings for no reason other than "i dont like this card" / or "lets see what happens".
The way the banned list is right now is that particular strategies are really good for years on end.
I'd prefer to have a banned list which is seasonal or every two or three months, this wouldn't madly fluctuate the value of staple cards like Dark Confidant that are rares, or like Tarmogoyf, and if cards like that were ever banned (just making examples) they'd be on and off the list for a short duration, but the cards I think need regular bannings and non-bannings like in and out of rotation are cards like these,
I find the removal in Legacy to be too good, all at once at one time, there aren't enough blind spots in the format.
the policy on formats seems to be "as much as possible at once" when it should be "certain cards in and out now and then"
I have absolutely no interest in such a format. Eternal formats take a long time to settle -- think back to how long it took the format to acclimate to the printing of Griselbrand.
Also, what you describe already exists. If you want a lower power format with a rotating ban list, both Modern and Standard fit exactly what you're asking for. Modern's ban list aggressively bans things almost cyclically (to the point of being the butt of many jokes, even by its proponents). Standard rotates cards regularly.
I recommend you look to the formats that fit your desires already instead of trying to morph a healthy format away from what makes it healthy in the first place (High powered interactions with a devoted following of people that hone specific strategies over extended periods of time and with supposedly "dead" decks occasionally spiking tournaments).
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To answer the original question, yes the question has come up.
Few are willing to advocate the position. Public opinion among Legacy players is solidly against the proposal (myself included). There are various reasons for this, but the most persuasive one has already been presented: formats full of "blind spots" and frequent upheaval exist already. We do not want that sort of pollution sullying the greatness of Legacy.
uhh forcing the format to have "blind spots" just means meta gaming will become 10x more important than actual tight play. Pros will have much much more of an advantage over average players at events as they have access to every deck at all times.
How about dark ritual is never ever banned in legacy. If you want rotations there's this format called standard and another called modern where cards are banned regularly. Standards way of axing cards is rotating them out every 18 months now. Legacy is an eternal format. If WotC did what you proposed legacy would actually die I know I personally would cease caring if dark ritual was banned and not attend any legacy tournaments.
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Legacy is far too expensive for it to be good to have bannings just to shake things up.
Every deck I play is basically held together by Dark Ritual and/or LED. You ban one of those for a cycle, and I'm simply just not playing Legacy for that duration, and I imagine there are many other people in the same boat concerning their own decks. I'm fortunate enough to have a bunch of Legacy staples but I don't own other key pieces like Jaces, Goyfs, or Stoneforges, and I am completely uninterested in spending the time/money/effort acquiring cards for decks I don't even want to play just so I can get by until while I wait for what I really want to be doing to become legal again.
I'm sorry but a rotating banned list would be atrociously unfun and would stifle the format tremendously for reasons others have pointed out. Removal and spells in general HAVE to be efficient and effective in Legacy otherwise certain strategies become way to oppressive. What you're looking for format wise sounds like Modern.
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I meant cards like Brainstorm . You'd have all your staple valued cards, but the kind of cards that make the metagame swing more tempo to the other more mid range would fluctuate. A format where you need to spend 2-3 mana to efficiently card draw would be fun to play in occasionally.
Yeah 2 mana cantrips in legacy won't happen unless you ban every single 1 mana cantrip and in that department there's brainstorm, ponder, preordain, opt, portent, and gitaxian probe that I can think of off the top of my head. Banning is something no one sane can advocate. Although I'll humor you and say sure every 1 mana cantrip is banned. Then you just have people playing zoo all over the place or other nonblue decks that have the most efficient curve. Legacy is about ultra low manacurves since it has access to 22 years of cards/why play inefficient cards? It's the identity of the format. The creators of tiny leaders expected that format to be like legacy and from what I hear of it that's true as you are 'restricted' to cards that cost 3 or less/having a hyperefficient deck is easy there.
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I'd prefer to have a banned list which is seasonal or every two or three months, this wouldn't madly fluctuate the value of staple cards like Dark Confidant that are rares, or like Tarmogoyf, and if cards like that were ever banned (just making examples) they'd be on and off the list for a short duration, but the cards I think need regular bannings and non-bannings like in and out of rotation are cards like these,
Dark Ritual
Stoneforge Mystic
Lightning Bolt
Brainstorm
Swords to Plowshares
Wasteland
I find the removal in Legacy to be too good, all at once at one time, there aren't enough blind spots in the format.
the policy on formats seems to be "as much as possible at once" when it should be "certain cards in and out now and then"
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You really cant force a player to have that, and it is counter productive aswell.
Legacy is a format in which players build some kind of deck and stick to it for a very long time, like a pet deck, even if its not tier 1, they will just play it as they like it and have the cards.
Just building a new legacy deck from scratch is a really expensive deal, people dont really do that.
In our local shop we tryd something along that lines "years" ago.
It worked like this:
The winning deck of a tournament will be "banned" for the next event onward, so the banned list becomes bigger and bigger, but we started with no banned cards at all. Every single card in it, will be banned, lands, spells, creatures, everything. And yes basic lands are banned aswell, which makes it pretty nuts after some tournaments to build a manabase at all.
A players decklist that is "unique" and has no card thats in any other players decklist, starts with 3 byes at wish (a fact that massively made deck building a challenge, to produce decks that are super wacky and still have hopes to win).
To do that "unique" check we enforced digital deck lists for everyone (its the time of internet and use-sticks, everyone was able to do so, way better than hand-writen decklists).
If 50% of your deck was unique, you got 2 byes, if just 25% of your deck (sideboard included btw) was unique, at least 1 bye.
And bye means free win, they still get paired and still play against the opponent, but they still get the 3 points regardless and can earn just another 3 points if they win.
In general this fancy option worked for some time, but its much work and as i said, it only really works with people that have the option to build many different decks and have the cards to do so.
Just building decks for a tournament becomes a real challenge in itself and doing so while having a working deck is harder every time, especially if you want to build "unique" lists that can cash in the bonus points and still wreck others.
Its pretty nice event in itself, but obvisiously cant work forever.
But the overall problem is that you really need players with massive card pools and some people really want to play the pet deck they played for years and it wont do any good to throw in bannings for no reason other than "i dont like this card" / or "lets see what happens".
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I have absolutely no interest in such a format. Eternal formats take a long time to settle -- think back to how long it took the format to acclimate to the printing of Griselbrand.
Also, what you describe already exists. If you want a lower power format with a rotating ban list, both Modern and Standard fit exactly what you're asking for. Modern's ban list aggressively bans things almost cyclically (to the point of being the butt of many jokes, even by its proponents). Standard rotates cards regularly.
I recommend you look to the formats that fit your desires already instead of trying to morph a healthy format away from what makes it healthy in the first place (High powered interactions with a devoted following of people that hone specific strategies over extended periods of time and with supposedly "dead" decks occasionally spiking tournaments).
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Few are willing to advocate the position. Public opinion among Legacy players is solidly against the proposal (myself included). There are various reasons for this, but the most persuasive one has already been presented: formats full of "blind spots" and frequent upheaval exist already. We do not want that sort of pollution sullying the greatness of Legacy.
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Every deck I play is basically held together by Dark Ritual and/or LED. You ban one of those for a cycle, and I'm simply just not playing Legacy for that duration, and I imagine there are many other people in the same boat concerning their own decks. I'm fortunate enough to have a bunch of Legacy staples but I don't own other key pieces like Jaces, Goyfs, or Stoneforges, and I am completely uninterested in spending the time/money/effort acquiring cards for decks I don't even want to play just so I can get by until while I wait for what I really want to be doing to become legal again.
Banning cards for any other reason (including to "shake things up") is generally an unpopular idea among Legacy lovers.
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