With how counterfeiting is becoming better and better, with cards looking almost the same, soon it will be impossible to tell the difference between real and fake MTG cards. With this in mind, does that mean WOTC would be put into a spot to abolish the reserved list and reprint staples more commonly? I am hoping so because it just looks so easy to build a competitive Legacy deck with these counterfeits on the cheap just so you can play. I am worried that this will become alright in tournaments, but is it alright? It is just cardboard and ink after all. It is a difficult subject. What does the community think on the topic?
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Counterfeiting will not be the cause of WoTC lifting the Rl. As for the 'moral' connotations of using counterfeits, I personally don't believe there is one. Prices are insanely and artificially created.
STATISTICS.
All of these "Let's eliminate bad cards" crusades are simply ignorant. And when they start to devolve into "WotC is conspiring to give us crappy cards," they just become embarrassing. MATH is conspiring to give you crappy cards.
A large part of the lasting appeal of Magic is not just playing the games or even developing decks. The process of acquiring and possessing cards is an end unto itself.
It's not called "The Gathering" by accident.
The idea that at some point everyone will just play with proxies/counterfeits and no one will care is terribly myopic, oblivious to an integral factor in what makes the game popular in the first place and what has given it such lasting appeal.
I play in proxy tournaments sometimes and it doesn't bother me even though I own the cards. I hope counterfeits eventually do take over. Wizards created artificial scarcity for these cards. There is nothing moral about supporting the secondary market and I play the game to play. I wouldn't care at all if it turned out all my opponent's cards are fake and I hope it does get to that point that no one could tell anyway. Wizards made their bed, they can sleep in it.
It's called Magic: The Gathering because just the word magic was too generic a term to be copyrighted as WotC was told by its lawyers back in the early 90's. They almost changed the card back to have something other than the gathering on it for arabian nights but Garfield put a stop to that thank goodness.
I don't see an end to the reserved list no matter what happens. As for counterfeits becoming heavily commonplace at tournaments? Live in that scenario before you judge it.
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"Yawgmoth," Freyalise whispered as she set the bomb, "now you will pay for your treachery."
Maybe counterfeits should be legal... Or... Since wizards had made cards like Delver which require magic players to play with plastics that covers one side of the card, then maybe wizards should allow a 3rd party to make legal proxies that has a different card back, therefore it would never be the original card and it would never hurt wizards 'reserve list'
For what it's worth, the forgery scare from about a year ago, I felt was actually WotC as a way to test the market for what they can and can't do. It was quite suspicious that the cards were perfect except for the font. Now with the hologram counterfeiting should be a little harder to do, but even that will only be a matter of time.
In the end it's really buyer beware, the reserve list isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
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Since wizards had made cards like Delver which require magic players to play with plastics that covers one side of the card,
Opaque sleeves have been a requirement at high level events ever since people realized that if you use all mirage lands, you can easily tell where your basics are in the deck.
Opaque sleeves are NOT a requirement to play DFC, since a placeholder card was provided in every pack.
Please get your facts straight before you mouth off in public.
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Here are the little self-imposed guidelines I'm working with for the multiplayer decks I've been building:
• Must be cheap. Total price tag < $100, preferably < $50. Ideally ~$30. No one card greater than about ~$6
• Format: Modern (makes getting the cards somewhat easier for the play group, and almost all my cards are Modern-legal)
• Must be relatively interesting in 1:1 games. I don't need to win against Splinter Twin, but I should be able to play duels now and then
• Avoid instant-win combos; they only serve to make me target #1, and then the deck is worse than useless because I get killed first, every time
• Must have a funny name!
Since wizards had made cards like Delver which require magic players to play with plastics that covers one side of the card,
Opaque sleeves have been a requirement at high level events ever since people realized that if you use all mirage lands, you can easily tell where your basics are in the deck.
Opaque sleeves are NOT a requirement to play DFC, since a placeholder card was provided in every pack.
Please get your facts straight before you mouth off in public.
Awesome thanks for that awesome and "uncool" comment...
I'm not sure about you... but I doubt that you would be sitting at the kitchen table playing against you're friends unsleeved 'werewolf' deck... So please get off that high horse.
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U Merfolk | GR Tron | WUR Jeskai Control | WBG Abzan Company
EDH:
G Ezuri, Renegade Leader, Fighting for Rivendell
WU Brago, King Eternal, Long Live the King
WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon, Worship the Dragon
It's not called "The Gathering" by accident.
The idea that at some point everyone will just play with proxies/counterfeits and no one will care is terribly myopic, oblivious to an integral factor in what makes the game popular in the first place and what has given it such lasting appeal.
RGoblinsR
RWerewolf StompyR
URU/R DelverRU
RGBelcherGR
BThe GateB
GBLoam PoxBG
WGBNic FitBGW
UHigh TideU
UMerfolkU
UFaerieNinjaStillU
WBUAffinityUBW
GSquirrelsG
UWGSliversGWU
I don't see an end to the reserved list no matter what happens. As for counterfeits becoming heavily commonplace at tournaments? Live in that scenario before you judge it.
Currently Playing:
Retired
In the end it's really buyer beware, the reserve list isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
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Opaque sleeves have been a requirement at high level events ever since people realized that if you use all mirage lands, you can easily tell where your basics are in the deck.
Opaque sleeves are NOT a requirement to play DFC, since a placeholder card was provided in every pack.
Please get your facts straight before you mouth off in public.
• Must be cheap. Total price tag < $100, preferably < $50. Ideally ~$30. No one card greater than about ~$6
• Format: Modern (makes getting the cards somewhat easier for the play group, and almost all my cards are Modern-legal)
• Must be relatively interesting in 1:1 games. I don't need to win against Splinter Twin, but I should be able to play duels now and then
• Avoid instant-win combos; they only serve to make me target #1, and then the deck is worse than useless because I get killed first, every time
• Must have a funny name!
Awesome thanks for that awesome and "uncool" comment...
I'm not sure about you... but I doubt that you would be sitting at the kitchen table playing against you're friends unsleeved 'werewolf' deck... So please get off that high horse.