Will that see play in Legacy ?
as a 1 or 2 of in Miracles/Thopter kind of decks, as a supplement to Jace ?
In fact I guess any deck with these colors and Divining Top may want one, ...or not ?? (4 Mana is still a lot)
Protection: Jace can bounce, can gain 2 loyalty at a time, and can tuck answers from the top. Narset just relies on her high starting loyalty
CA: Jace gives you guaranteed +1 CA and can also improve the quality of the cards in your hand. Best-case scenario, Narset gives you a guaranteed +1 CA (with a top to spin to the top each time)
Ultimate: Jace's straight-up wins almost every time, and his +2 makes it easy to pull off. Narset gives you a lot of inevitability by making your stuff basically uncounterable, but requires quite a bit of effort on top of her to win.
Narset's -2: The only *really* strong target in most Miracles lists is Dig Through Time, which you probably have to trim some of to fit her in. Sweepers and counterspells are blanks, as is Entreat. StP and Cantrips are okay, but not astounding.
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Wouldn't sweepers actually be good to use with the -2, since if they try to refill their board before your next turn, the sweep spell would X-for-0 them? Seems like it would help to ensure that you can use Narset again on your next turn.
You guys are comparing a Standard legal card to Jace. Really? No, this isn't going to replace Jace anywhere. I don't see it getting Legacy play, but it definitely has some use in Modern.
The "Standard legal" argument is totally irrelevant here. Jace was "Standard legal" just a couple of years ago.
That said, I agree Narset will never ever replace Jace, that's obvious.
(supplement isn't replacing, to supplement: to complete, add to, or extend by a supplement. )
But she might show up in the right Legacy deck, the real question is which... if any.
The "Standard legal" argument is totally irrelevant here. Jace was "Standard legal" just a couple of years ago.
That said, I agree Narset will never ever replace Jace, that's obvious.
(supplement isn't replacing, to supplement: to complete, add to, or extend by a supplement. )
But she might show up in the right Legacy deck, the real question is which... if any.
My point is that Wizards considers cards like Jace to be "mistakes" (I believe this was in an article about Snapcaster Mage), and so would never print something of that power level again.
Narset makes more sense in Vintage (where you play 13-16 land) than in Legacy (where you do not have moxen, sol ring, mana crypt, etc, and where the ultimate isn't game over the way it is in Vintage where it actually does end the game). In Legacy, lands dilute the power of the +1 too much.
I can't see anyone trimming one Jace to play one Narset in Legacy. Yes there are board states where Narset would be superior, but they are somewhat rare.
Y'know, I really like the idea of her in Modern and Standard. I don't think she'll see any play in Legacy though.
Should *could* see play in Planeswalker control (typically BUG color, with Veteran Explorer and crew), but most likely not because there are typically other Planeswalkers to play over her. This includes: 4x Jace, the Mind Sculptors, 2-4x Liliana of the Veils, 1x Karn, Liberated as the main cards. The craziest/coolest I've seen also ran a 1-of of each of the following: Garruk, Apex Predator, Garruk Relentless, Kiora, the Crashing Wave, and Nissa, Worldwaker. Man, that list really satisfies my inner Timmy.
So, there's a home for plenty of Planeswalkers. And in a way it's *possible* Narset can find a home too...maybe jammed into a weird brew. I don't really think her abilities line up well in Legacy though, and her colors are outside of the colors typically played in Legacy Super Friends (you can splash I guess).
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Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
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The idea of the card is interesting, but its probably just not powerful enough.
I can think of a few ways to build where it would be useful, but the real issue is that it doesnt present a threat by itself. Its ultimate isnt going to be winning you the game, and none of its abilities actually do anything to the boardstate on their own. At 4cmc, the +1 certainly isnt doing anything broken.
The -2 is the most appealing ability since it lets you gain value on other spells, but that means it doesnt really do anything by itself. And of course in Legacy if a card requires another card to function, then that interaction should be winning you the game, not just gaining you some incremental value.
If any deck does want this though, Im guessing it will be the same deck that wants Monastery Mentor Im just not sure that deck currently actually exists.
It's definitely good, but I don't see how you run this instead of Jace. Jace protects itself, and Brainstorming is so much better than (sometimes) drawing a card.
I can see two homes, Blade Control and Miracles and in both cases I do not know I like her enough to keep her. In Blade she does not really offer a lot of help with the plan and you are playing creatures and in Miracles you have the Counterbalance lock to do what your building her up to do. I do like using her with Top though, but if I am paying 4 mana, I would rather drop a Jace and tick him up to 5 to protect him.
Her main strength is that 6 loyalty. She also offers card draw or filter with fetches in play. Her main weakness is that like always, she is one Mana more than she should be for a Legacy playable card. If she started at 3 loyalty and costed 3 with her ult at say 6/7, she would see some play me thinks. Getting to cast Brainstorm twice is sweet.
I can not wait to use her in Vintage where I think she will have a real home. With Mentor decks she offers some fairly nasty plays, she and Time Walk let you play unfair. Thats not something to sneeze at.
Four mana in a format that barely plays Jace? This is a joke, right? I'm talking about Vintage here and Mentor isn't really having a strong deck showing in Vintage, either.
Narset will not see any successful play outside of Standard. I haven't see anything for Legacy spoiled yet.
They just printed treasure cruise and you're saying this? Treasure cruise is better than jace hell I would go so far to say that dig through time is better than jace. As long as magic exists WotC will continue to print mistakes if they never did so again the game would be pretty boring as it means that WotC would be too careful about what cards see print/nothing is pushed.
I like narset a lot. People are underestimating the -2 ability on narset a great deal mainly because rebound appears on inefficient cards typically but this grants rebound to normally costed things. I'm not yet sure whether Narset is legacy playable but it wouldn't surprise me if she was.
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I have looked at the preorder price and that price is telling me that Narset is Legacy trash. At least for a few months
After those few months are over...that starting 6 loyalty looks very pushed. She's in a sweet spot of being able to take double Delver/Clique/TNN hits without dying AND possibly generating CA, something that Jace can't actually do. Brainstorm is obviously better than her +1, but +1 is obviously better than +0. You can't overlook a plus that can generate (non virtual) card advantage, especially when so many cards that you want to play anyways helps set it up. I don't see her as a staple, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see her in a few decks.
They just printed treasure cruise and you're saying this? Treasure cruise is better than jace hell I would go so far to say that dig through time is better than jace. As long as magic exists WotC will continue to print mistakes if they never did so again the game would be pretty boring as it means that WotC would be too careful about what cards see print/nothing is pushed.
I like narset a lot. People are underestimating the -2 ability on narset a great deal mainly because rebound appears on inefficient cards typically but this grants rebound to normally costed things. I'm not yet sure whether Narset is legacy playable but it wouldn't surprise me if she was.
They just printed treasure cruise and you're saying this? Treasure cruise is better than jace hell I would go so far to say that dig through time is better than jace. As long as magic exists WotC will continue to print mistakes if they never did so again the game would be pretty boring as it means that WotC would be too careful about what cards see print/nothing is pushed.
I like narset a lot. People are underestimating the -2 ability on narset a great deal mainly because rebound appears on inefficient cards typically but this grants rebound to normally costed things. I'm not yet sure whether Narset is legacy playable but it wouldn't surprise me if she was.
Not sure if this was directed towards me or not.
Appears to be directed at MasterOfEtherium's "comparing a Standard legal card to Jace. Really?" comment.
My point is that Wizards considers cards like Jace to be "mistakes" (I believe this was in an article about Snapcaster Mage), and so would never print something of that power level again.
My comment was directed towards this. WotC can and does print broken magic cards while not with any sort of regularity or consistency they slip up and print cards like treasure cruise, SCM, JTMS, and SFM from time to time. I'd call griselbrand a mistake as well. I seriously doubt WotC would have printed griselbrand if they knew it would have turned legacy cheat fatties.dec into cheat griselbrand in.dec and nothing else as the default entomb/show and tell/sneak attack target is typically griselbrand because of the sheer powerlevel of the card.
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The "Standard legal" argument is totally irrelevant here. Jace was "Standard legal" just a couple of years ago.
That said, I agree Narset will never ever replace Jace, that's obvious.
(supplement isn't replacing, to supplement: to complete, add to, or extend by a supplement. )
But she might show up in the right Legacy deck, the real question is which... if any.
Jace is basically the only 4+ CC card that sees play in Legacy that's not in a combo deck with sol lands or Gaea's Cradle. Even then, a card as broken as Jace is almost not good enough to make the cut due to the absurd mana starvation situation that exists in Legacy. Miracles often cuts Jace down to a 2-of these days because 4 mana is just too much.
There's no supplementing Jace, you can't put five 4+ CC cards in a Legacy deck without automatically having a pile of crap.
I think he's talking about how those type of cards don't get casted "fairly." Combo cards/decks in particular typically try to cheat in their 4+ cmc cards. Either that, or they have effects that don't feel like a "typical" 4cmc power-level card. Take Hero of Bladehold for example. Reasonable 4-costed card that does some pretty sweet things as soon as you get to untap with it. Was pretty good in standard at one time and seems ok-ish amount of play in Modern. Except it's "too fair." She doesn't break the game on its knees like some of the other stuff that get played. Then you compare it to stuff like Dream Halls; a 5 cmc card that flat-out enables pretty much any costed card to come in. Oftentimes things like Enter the Infinite. And that card's text box typically reads, "You win right now."
Then look at Griselbrand, whose cmc is 8. Except it's never ever played as an 8cmc card; it's literally cheated in every single time. For anywhere between 0-4 mana. Entomb --> Reanimate/Animate Dead/Exhume. Or flashbacked Dread Return in Dredge. Or Card A + Card B (Show & Tell --> Griselbrand).
We can expand this further to things like how Elves generate large amounts of mana either due to their effects or simply off of ridiculous things like Gaea's Cradle, which allows them to hard cast their top-end bombs on a turn that would otherwise not allow them to (Craterhoof). Of course, this isn't necessarily their main way of playing their card! Natural Order can cheat it in. Progenitus doesn't really feel like a 10 cmc card when it's being dropped on turn 3-4.
So in a lot of ways, Jace is really "fair" in its cost-to-power ratio compared to all of the things that are played/can be played in Legacy. That's why when you look at a card like Narset, it's really hard to come to the conclusion that she'll see much play, when there's no real way to cheat her out/abuse her. And her effects are weaker than Jace's. (I did mention Planeswalker Super Friends list in my previous post though. So there's a shell that COULD allow her to be played in it. I'm not convinced she's worth it, but it does exist).
But you are right in that there's actually more 4cmc cards that get played in Legacy than Xequecal is suggesting. That's just what he means when he excludes the 4+ cmc cards that utilize combo/sol/Gaea's Cradle.
Reprints the one card that people point to when saying that art objectifies women.
Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
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Jace is basically the only 4+ CC card that sees play in Legacy that's not in a combo deck with sol lands or Gaea's Cradle. Even then, a card as broken as Jace is almost not good enough to make the cut due to the absurd mana starvation situation that exists in Legacy. Miracles often cuts Jace down to a 2-of these days because 4 mana is just too much.
There's no supplementing Jace, you can't put five 4+ CC cards in a Legacy deck without automatically having a pile of crap.
Jace is basically the only 4+ CC card that sees play in Legacy that's not in a combo deck with sol lands or Gaea's Cradle. Even then, a card as broken as Jace is almost not good enough to make the cut due to the absurd mana starvation situation that exists in Legacy. Miracles often cuts Jace down to a 2-of these days because 4 mana is just too much.
There's no supplementing Jace, you can't put five 4+ CC cards in a Legacy deck without automatically having a pile of crap.
You keep immediately dismissing new 4 CMC cards (I actually don't think Narset will see much play) for Legacy, solely on CMC, based on this incorrect theory that 4 CMC cards CAN'T find a place in Tier 1 or Tier 2 decks. It's nonsense.
The "Standard legal" argument is totally irrelevant here. Jace was "Standard legal" just a couple of years ago.
That said, I agree Narset will never ever replace Jace, that's obvious.
(supplement isn't replacing, to supplement: to complete, add to, or extend by a supplement. )
But she might show up in the right Legacy deck, the real question is which... if any.
My point is that Wizards considers cards like Jace to be "mistakes" (I believe this was in an article about Snapcaster Mage), and so would never print something of that power level again.
STATISTICS.
All of these "Let's eliminate bad cards" crusades are simply ignorant. And when they start to devolve into "WotC is conspiring to give us crappy cards," they just become embarrassing. MATH is conspiring to give you crappy cards.
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Will that see play in Legacy ?
as a 1 or 2 of in Miracles/Thopter kind of decks, as a supplement to Jace ?
In fact I guess any deck with these colors and Divining Top may want one, ...or not ?? (4 Mana is still a lot)
Protection: Jace can bounce, can gain 2 loyalty at a time, and can tuck answers from the top. Narset just relies on her high starting loyalty
CA: Jace gives you guaranteed +1 CA and can also improve the quality of the cards in your hand. Best-case scenario, Narset gives you a guaranteed +1 CA (with a top to spin to the top each time)
Ultimate: Jace's straight-up wins almost every time, and his +2 makes it easy to pull off. Narset gives you a lot of inevitability by making your stuff basically uncounterable, but requires quite a bit of effort on top of her to win.
Narset's -2: The only *really* strong target in most Miracles lists is Dig Through Time, which you probably have to trim some of to fit her in. Sweepers and counterspells are blanks, as is Entreat. StP and Cantrips are okay, but not astounding.
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That said, I agree Narset will never ever replace Jace, that's obvious.
(supplement isn't replacing, to supplement: to complete, add to, or extend by a supplement. )
But she might show up in the right Legacy deck, the real question is which... if any.
My point is that Wizards considers cards like Jace to be "mistakes" (I believe this was in an article about Snapcaster Mage), and so would never print something of that power level again.
I can't see anyone trimming one Jace to play one Narset in Legacy. Yes there are board states where Narset would be superior, but they are somewhat rare.
Should *could* see play in Planeswalker control (typically BUG color, with Veteran Explorer and crew), but most likely not because there are typically other Planeswalkers to play over her. This includes: 4x Jace, the Mind Sculptors, 2-4x Liliana of the Veils, 1x Karn, Liberated as the main cards. The craziest/coolest I've seen also ran a 1-of of each of the following: Garruk, Apex Predator, Garruk Relentless, Kiora, the Crashing Wave, and Nissa, Worldwaker. Man, that list really satisfies my inner Timmy.
Grixis Control sometimes features Dack Fayden. Alongside Jace I believe. Sometimes UBx variants will run some of Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas and/or Tezzert the Seeker. And Ugin, the Spirit Dragon sees play occasionally in MUD and 12-Post (maybe...? Not sure). I think I saw Domri Rade in some builds of Naya or Jund. Elspeth, Knight-Errant sees play in UWx decks from time to time.
So, there's a home for plenty of Planeswalkers. And in a way it's *possible* Narset can find a home too...maybe jammed into a weird brew. I don't really think her abilities line up well in Legacy though, and her colors are outside of the colors typically played in Legacy Super Friends (you can splash I guess).
I can think of a few ways to build where it would be useful, but the real issue is that it doesnt present a threat by itself. Its ultimate isnt going to be winning you the game, and none of its abilities actually do anything to the boardstate on their own. At 4cmc, the +1 certainly isnt doing anything broken.
The -2 is the most appealing ability since it lets you gain value on other spells, but that means it doesnt really do anything by itself. And of course in Legacy if a card requires another card to function, then that interaction should be winning you the game, not just gaining you some incremental value.
If any deck does want this though, Im guessing it will be the same deck that wants Monastery Mentor Im just not sure that deck currently actually exists.
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Her main strength is that 6 loyalty. She also offers card draw or filter with fetches in play. Her main weakness is that like always, she is one Mana more than she should be for a Legacy playable card. If she started at 3 loyalty and costed 3 with her ult at say 6/7, she would see some play me thinks. Getting to cast Brainstorm twice is sweet.
I can not wait to use her in Vintage where I think she will have a real home. With Mentor decks she offers some fairly nasty plays, she and Time Walk let you play unfair. Thats not something to sneeze at.
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Narset will not see any successful play outside of Standard. I haven't see anything for Legacy spoiled yet.
I like narset a lot. People are underestimating the -2 ability on narset a great deal mainly because rebound appears on inefficient cards typically but this grants rebound to normally costed things. I'm not yet sure whether Narset is legacy playable but it wouldn't surprise me if she was.
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After those few months are over...that starting 6 loyalty looks very pushed. She's in a sweet spot of being able to take double Delver/Clique/TNN hits without dying AND possibly generating CA, something that Jace can't actually do. Brainstorm is obviously better than her +1, but +1 is obviously better than +0. You can't overlook a plus that can generate (non virtual) card advantage, especially when so many cards that you want to play anyways helps set it up. I don't see her as a staple, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see her in a few decks.
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My comment was directed towards this. WotC can and does print broken magic cards while not with any sort of regularity or consistency they slip up and print cards like treasure cruise, SCM, JTMS, and SFM from time to time. I'd call griselbrand a mistake as well. I seriously doubt WotC would have printed griselbrand if they knew it would have turned legacy cheat fatties.dec into cheat griselbrand in.dec and nothing else as the default entomb/show and tell/sneak attack target is typically griselbrand because of the sheer powerlevel of the card.
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Jace is basically the only 4+ CC card that sees play in Legacy that's not in a combo deck with sol lands or Gaea's Cradle. Even then, a card as broken as Jace is almost not good enough to make the cut due to the absurd mana starvation situation that exists in Legacy. Miracles often cuts Jace down to a 2-of these days because 4 mana is just too much.
There's no supplementing Jace, you can't put five 4+ CC cards in a Legacy deck without automatically having a pile of crap.
I think he's talking about how those type of cards don't get casted "fairly." Combo cards/decks in particular typically try to cheat in their 4+ cmc cards. Either that, or they have effects that don't feel like a "typical" 4cmc power-level card. Take Hero of Bladehold for example. Reasonable 4-costed card that does some pretty sweet things as soon as you get to untap with it. Was pretty good in standard at one time and seems ok-ish amount of play in Modern. Except it's "too fair." She doesn't break the game on its knees like some of the other stuff that get played. Then you compare it to stuff like Dream Halls; a 5 cmc card that flat-out enables pretty much any costed card to come in. Oftentimes things like Enter the Infinite. And that card's text box typically reads, "You win right now."
Then look at Griselbrand, whose cmc is 8. Except it's never ever played as an 8cmc card; it's literally cheated in every single time. For anywhere between 0-4 mana. Entomb --> Reanimate/Animate Dead/Exhume. Or flashbacked Dread Return in Dredge. Or Card A + Card B (Show & Tell --> Griselbrand).
We can expand this further to things like how Elves generate large amounts of mana either due to their effects or simply off of ridiculous things like Gaea's Cradle, which allows them to hard cast their top-end bombs on a turn that would otherwise not allow them to (Craterhoof). Of course, this isn't necessarily their main way of playing their card! Natural Order can cheat it in. Progenitus doesn't really feel like a 10 cmc card when it's being dropped on turn 3-4.
So in a lot of ways, Jace is really "fair" in its cost-to-power ratio compared to all of the things that are played/can be played in Legacy. That's why when you look at a card like Narset, it's really hard to come to the conclusion that she'll see much play, when there's no real way to cheat her out/abuse her. And her effects are weaker than Jace's. (I did mention Planeswalker Super Friends list in my previous post though. So there's a shell that COULD allow her to be played in it. I'm not convinced she's worth it, but it does exist).
But you are right in that there's actually more 4cmc cards that get played in Legacy than Xequecal is suggesting. That's just what he means when he excludes the 4+ cmc cards that utilize combo/sol/Gaea's Cradle.
Goblins, Tezzerator, Jund, and Helm/Leyline combo are Tier 3 at BEST. You don't see them show up in the T8s at SCG Opens, let alone at GPs.
Goblins with Ringleader:
6th at SCG Oakland 11/2/14
Tezzerator:
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Jund with Bloodbraid Elf:
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3rd at 209-player Tarmogeddon 10 9/7/14
5th at SCG NJ Invitational 8/31/14
8th at SCG Kansas City 7/27/14
2nd at SCG Baltimore 7/20/14
5th at SCG Portland 6/29/14
8th at SCG Dallas 4/13/14
3rd at SCG Seattle 3/16/14
6th at SCG Orlando 1/12/14
Decks with Helm:
7th at 210-player Nebraska 2.0 12/6/14
2nd at SCG Minneapolis 10/26/14
5th at 481-player Eternal Weekend 2014 10/25/14
4th at SCG NJ 5/25/14
1st at 137-player DragonFalls Legacy League 3/27/14
And what about Entreat the Angels, Supreme Verdict, and Cataclysm that were mentioned.
You keep immediately dismissing new 4 CMC cards (I actually don't think Narset will see much play) for Legacy, solely on CMC, based on this incorrect theory that 4 CMC cards CAN'T find a place in Tier 1 or Tier 2 decks. It's nonsense.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/legacy-type-1-5/661941-list-of-stores-that-support-legacy
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?28892-Compilation-Of-Legacy-Streams
But they have, many since then.