does this card have any viable use in legacy other than being used to cheat a phyrexian dreadnought into the field?
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I can see maybe some sort of deck getting online with tops a whole lot of eldrazi / haymakers and some sort of blink effect to get them flipped. May not be too super cutthroat but could be fun.
Soul Summons has stiff competition with Cloudform for the role of Dreadnought cheat--heck, Cloudform grants Flying and Hexproof, pitches to FoW, and is guaranteed to block a flipped Delver in a pinch.
You know what you manifest, hence:
You need Cloudshift to turn Emrakul face-up, and simply 1 mana to turn Dreadnaught face-up (witout the ETB effect).
Break Open turn OPPONENT's creature face-up... not sure how to use it effectively here. Ixidor, reality Sculptor would do the trick, but at an even higher cost of... 8 mana!
Right now I see this as a slightly more complicated but slightly cheaper (mana-wise) alternative to a Polymorph/Proteus Staff deck. Nothing spectacular or meta changing, but possibly fun to play semi-casually.
I think you've got that backwards. Paying the mana cost to turn a Manifested card face up will not trigger any EtB effects. Cloudshift will.
We're on the same page: you need to use Cloudshift to turn Emrakul. You simply pay 1 mana on Dreadnought (no ETB).
The point is the deck needs Cloudshift to turn "big" creatures face up, apart from Dreadnought, which I don't think is enough alone to win consistently.
Why not a GU or GW deck with Wildcall and Worldly Tutor? If it's GW, Enlightened Tutor can be used to put the Dreadnought on top. GU does seem a bit better, though, since you have access to the problem child U and its goodies like FOW and Brainstorm. Plus, Cloudform is waaay better than Soul Summons, despite the additional mana. Plus, Wildcall can be cast for a simple GG, effectively making it a Soul Summons in G. What about a Counter-Top shell with the win-con of manifesting D-Nought? I could also see a small "silver bullet" creature package making the cut with Worldly Tutor, like Scooze and the like. Plus, since the deck already has D-Nought, why not run some Stifle/Trickbind?
does this card have any viable use in legacy other than being used to cheat a phyrexian dreadnought into the field?
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4 Cloudshift
4 Turn to Mist
4 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 Phyrexian Dreadnought
4 Soul Summons
4 Cloudform
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Sensei's Divining Top
+ lands + counterspells + maybe Show and Tell
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Cloudshift and turn to mist will just trigger dreadnaughts etb ability. Not sure why you'd want those.
You need Cloudshift to turn Emrakul face-up, and simply 1 mana to turn Dreadnaught face-up (witout the ETB effect).
Break Open turn OPPONENT's creature face-up... not sure how to use it effectively here.
Ixidor, reality Sculptor would do the trick, but at an even higher cost of... 8 mana!
Right now I see this as a slightly more complicated but slightly cheaper (mana-wise) alternative to a Polymorph/Proteus Staff deck. Nothing spectacular or meta changing, but possibly fun to play semi-casually.
We're on the same page: you need to use Cloudshift to turn Emrakul. You simply pay 1 mana on Dreadnought (no ETB).
The point is the deck needs Cloudshift to turn "big" creatures face up, apart from Dreadnought, which I don't think is enough alone to win consistently.
Sure. But that would mean going UWG, which is obviously a bit more cumbersome than straight UW. Unless one build WG ?
I guess this could move into a developing deck at this point if someone could brew a decent decklist. I'm not sure it's worth it yet...
4 Brainstorm
2 Cloudform
4 Cloudshift
4 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 Phyrexian Dreadnought
4 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Soul Summons
2 Turn to Mist
4 Worldly Tutor
1 Scroll Rack ?
+ lands + counterspells + (maybe) Show and tell
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