Has anyone proxied Monastery Mentor and tested it? What colors have you used and any deck lists? I'm going to be playing this in my Dega colored deck and am wondering if anyone else had ideas for him.
Has anyone proxied Monastery Mentor and tested it? What colors have you used and any deck lists? I'm going to be playing this in my Dega colored deck and am wondering if anyone else had ideas for him.
I have not, but may I ask why Dega? I'd imagine that cantrips, Treasure Cruise, and Force is where you'd want to be. I guess black adds Cabal Therapy, but the blue tempo shell just sounds more flexible and has more raw power with the mentor.
Honestly? I don't want to give up my deck and am hoping this is enough of a power upgrade that I don't have to. I will be running twenty plus non creature spells, so he will be triggering, but you are correct that blue is probably it's best shell.
I honestly thing that BG and BU decks have an upgrade in the form of Tasigar. He's a Goyf who has repeatable instant-speed CA. Between Delve and Cantrips/Library/Top, you can even choose for your opponent what you'll get. It's nigh un-hate-able (only RiP gets it) and it's splashability makes it look quite attractive. Get to 5 mana, play him for B, activate his ability if they do anything.
Hey with Treasure Cruise out of the format I just realised. Monastery Mentor is not looking like a good card after all. Anyone else have the same feeling?
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I think it will still be playable, but the difference in two and three mana between the Mentor and Pyromancer feels like its further emphasized without Cruise in the format. I think Mentor is still playable in white Delver decks as a 1-2 of, in the same vein as the other three drops like Clique, Geist, and TNN. I think Mentor will fill a similar role as Geist - a highly aggressive three drop as opposed to the more mid-range TNN and disruption oriented Clique. Geist's hexproof is nice when compared to Mentor, but Mentor is quite resilient in the way that Pyromancer is. It's very easy to orchestrate a turn in which you are dropping Mentor + Probe, with FoW/Daze backup. The tokens being more or less Swiftspears make them quite threatening even if they can remove the Mentor, so I actually like Mentor quite a bit more than Geist. Geist is too easily stopped by almost any opposing creature chumping which limits his effectiveness to combo matchups (where Clique is probably better because of the disruption) and against a deck like Miracles that can't readily block him (and Clique is still probably better). Mentor having the ability to grow to be a formidable threat himself is very nice.
I really liked the Pyromancer/Stoneforge lists that eschewed Delver, and Mentor would have been a natural fit there and would have better performed in this deck than in Delver lists, but that was very much a Treasure Cruise deck even moreso than the Delver decks that ran Cruise. So that said, I'm less sure that this deck will still be able to function similarly. This deck is likely more fit to switch to running some number of Digs than Delver decks are, but it's still not going to be able to match that raw power of 4 Cruise.
At least I can still be pretty certain of Mentors place in Vintage. The restriction of Cruise isn't as big when they still have unrestricted Gush not to mention DTT is still incredibly powerful in Vintage and can likely take up some of the slack from Cruise's restriction. But the big thing is definitely Mentor + Moxen (and other fast artifact mana) is absolutely bonkers. It even makes loading up on multiple Hurkyl's legit, which really helps shore up Gush's Workshop issues on top of enabling insane Mentor plays by bouncing your artifact mana. If you can untap with a Mentor, or Time Walk you can essentially Storm out with a few tokens and Prowess boosts.
I feel like people who wanted to just jam Mentor into a tempo Pyromancer shell may have been disappointed anyway.
Its a higher casting cost card, which can more easily take over the game by itself, and is a little harder to kill. It seems to belong in lists that are less aggressive and more devoted to resolving and protecting it. The sort of lists that might prefer Dig Through Time over Treasure Cruise in the first place.
Cloudform looks like the best Manifesting card to abuse Phyrexian Dreadnought in--the Dreadnought itself gets Hexproof, so decks with only targeted removal are forced to boot Cloudform first, and the 2/2 Flying (Hexproof) Dreadnought has protection while it still has a small butt. Oh yeah, and it pitches to FoW and makes a 2/2 Flying Hexproof when desperate...not quite good enough in decks with Sensei's Divining Top, Enlightened Tutor, etc.?
This dude knows what is up. Cloudform is going to destroy legacy IMO. Could potentially work with Emrakul and Cloudshift to get something huge that you cant pay easily for like Phyrexian Dreadnought. Already purchased 10 foil cloudform, ... this card is baws as f!@#.
Cloudform looks like the best Manifesting card to abuse Phyrexian Dreadnought in--the Dreadnought itself gets Hexproof, so decks with only targeted removal are forced to boot Cloudform first, and the 2/2 Flying (Hexproof) Dreadnought has protection while it still has a small butt. Oh yeah, and it pitches to FoW and makes a 2/2 Flying Hexproof when desperate...not quite good enough in decks with Sensei's Divining Top, Enlightened Tutor, etc.?
This dude knows what is up. Cloudform is going to destroy legacy IMO. Could potentially work with Emrakul and Cloudshift to get something huge that you cant pay easily for like Phyrexian Dreadnought. Already purchased 10 foil cloudform, ... this card is baws as f!@#.
Cant tell if sarcastic or just really crazy.
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4 Force of Will
4 Sensei's divining top
4 Counter balance
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Cloudform
4 Delve through Time
4 STP
4 Phyrexian Dreadnought
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Seems fine? Between Top/Bstrom and tutor, Cloudform will get it's target, and in a pinch, you can mindgame them
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I really liked the Pyromancer/Stoneforge lists that eschewed Delver, and Mentor would have been a natural fit there and would have better performed in this deck than in Delver lists, but that was very much a Treasure Cruise deck even moreso than the Delver decks that ran Cruise. So that said, I'm less sure that this deck will still be able to function similarly. This deck is likely more fit to switch to running some number of Digs than Delver decks are, but it's still not going to be able to match that raw power of 4 Cruise.
At least I can still be pretty certain of Mentors place in Vintage. The restriction of Cruise isn't as big when they still have unrestricted Gush not to mention DTT is still incredibly powerful in Vintage and can likely take up some of the slack from Cruise's restriction. But the big thing is definitely Mentor + Moxen (and other fast artifact mana) is absolutely bonkers. It even makes loading up on multiple Hurkyl's legit, which really helps shore up Gush's Workshop issues on top of enabling insane Mentor plays by bouncing your artifact mana. If you can untap with a Mentor, or Time Walk you can essentially Storm out with a few tokens and Prowess boosts.
Its a higher casting cost card, which can more easily take over the game by itself, and is a little harder to kill. It seems to belong in lists that are less aggressive and more devoted to resolving and protecting it. The sort of lists that might prefer Dig Through Time over Treasure Cruise in the first place.
This dude knows what is up. Cloudform is going to destroy legacy IMO. Could potentially work with Emrakul and Cloudshift to get something huge that you cant pay easily for like Phyrexian Dreadnought. Already purchased 10 foil cloudform, ... this card is baws as f!@#.
Cant tell if sarcastic or just really crazy.