So, I bought everything to make a budget Manaless Dredge deck
Figured this would be a good starting point to move into some bigger better things.
Now, considering the hate out there for Dredge, I'm trying to determine where to invest my money next.
The way I see it, is I dump money into Force of Will and go Manaless Blue OR I invest a similar amount of money into Lion's Eye Diamond
Now -- again, considering the hate being run in the form of Grafdigger's Cage, Rest In Piece, Tormod's Crypt etc... what is the more resilient option? Will 1 outperform the other, or will both of them be torn to shreds regardless of what direction I go?
Any help is greatly appreciated! I want to get some feel on how this plays out before dropping the money for those big investments!
So, I bought everything to make a budget Manaless Dredge deck
Figured this would be a good starting point to move into some bigger better things.
Now, considering the hate out there for Dredge, I'm trying to determine where to invest my money next.
The way I see it, is I dump money into Force of Will and go Manaless Blue OR I invest a similar amount of money into Lion's Eye Diamond
Now -- again, considering the hate being run in the form of Grafdigger's Cage, Rest In Piece, Tormod's Crypt etc... what is the more resilient option? Will 1 outperform the other, or will both of them be torn to shreds regardless of what direction I go?
Any help is greatly appreciated! I want to get some feel on how this plays out before dropping the money for those big investments!
Forget FoW and LED. Invest in your sideboard as long as your main deck is solid.
Cards to consider.
Ashen Rider
Chancellor of the Annex
Mindbreak Trap
Sickening Shoal
Surgical Extraction
Leyline of Sanctity
Leyline of the Void
And remember, you always want to be on the draw if you win the die roll.
Ill get my side ordered tonight -- what do you think of running Unmask in it?
Personally, I don't like Unmask. You can't play it from the graveyard like Cabal Therapy and if you don't have a black card in your hand it's dead weight.
Competitively, you need to design your sideboard before more investment. It's what will save you.
If you're getting LED, do you want to stay with manaless? If you're dropping the couple hundred bucks, you can probably get at least some of the lands.
STATISTICS.
All of these "Let's eliminate bad cards" crusades are simply ignorant. And when they start to devolve into "WotC is conspiring to give us crappy cards," they just become embarrassing. MATH is conspiring to give you crappy cards.
Competitively, you need to design your sideboard before more investment. It's what will save you.
If you're getting LED, do you want to stay with manaless? If you're dropping the couple hundred bucks, you can probably get at least some of the lands.
I'm gonna get my side built based on the suggestions here -- further down the road though, I don't mind moving to having lands or sticking with manaless. Honestly, I just like Dredge, be it manaless or not, but I want to build the most resilient Dredge deck that I can over time.
You're going to get a lot of refinement based help on the actual dredge subforum, under established and combo. Led-less mana dredge has a higher resistance
to hate, blue I've not seen nor played, cannot easily comment on it. It does have the advantage of preempting hate, which is likely very strong.
To have FoW in addition to Chain of Vapor is very valuable I would believe.
STATISTICS.
All of these "Let's eliminate bad cards" crusades are simply ignorant. And when they start to devolve into "WotC is conspiring to give us crappy cards," they just become embarrassing. MATH is conspiring to give you crappy cards.
In all honesty you can still go budget friendly and it sounds like you are not willing to accept an auto-loss to RIP, Cage, or Leyline (me either). I personally run 4x Unmask and 4x Gemstone Mine in the main and run 4x City of Brass and 4x Nature's Claim in the board. I have had pretty good results with it, standard Manaless list with Whirlpool Drake instead of Griselbrand.
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Figured this would be a good starting point to move into some bigger better things.
Now, considering the hate out there for Dredge, I'm trying to determine where to invest my money next.
The way I see it, is I dump money into Force of Will and go Manaless Blue OR I invest a similar amount of money into Lion's Eye Diamond
Now -- again, considering the hate being run in the form of Grafdigger's Cage, Rest In Piece, Tormod's Crypt etc... what is the more resilient option? Will 1 outperform the other, or will both of them be torn to shreds regardless of what direction I go?
Any help is greatly appreciated! I want to get some feel on how this plays out before dropping the money for those big investments!
Forget FoW and LED. Invest in your sideboard as long as your main deck is solid.
Cards to consider.
Ashen Rider
Chancellor of the Annex
Mindbreak Trap
Sickening Shoal
Surgical Extraction
Leyline of Sanctity
Leyline of the Void
And remember, you always want to be on the draw if you win the die roll.
4 Balustrade Spy
3 Chancellor of the Annex
1 Flayer of the Hatebound
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
4 Golgari Thug
4 Ichorid
4 Narcomoeba
4 Nether Shadow
4 Phantasmagorian
4 Shambling Shell
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Street Wraith
4 Bridge from Below
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Dread Return
4 Gitaxian Probe
Ill get my side ordered tonight -- what do you think of running Unmask in it?
Personally, I don't like Unmask. You can't play it from the graveyard like Cabal Therapy and if you don't have a black card in your hand it's dead weight.
If you're getting LED, do you want to stay with manaless? If you're dropping the couple hundred bucks, you can probably get at least some of the lands.
I'm gonna get my side built based on the suggestions here -- further down the road though, I don't mind moving to having lands or sticking with manaless. Honestly, I just like Dredge, be it manaless or not, but I want to build the most resilient Dredge deck that I can over time.
to hate, blue I've not seen nor played, cannot easily comment on it. It does have the advantage of preempting hate, which is likely very strong.
To have FoW in addition to Chain of Vapor is very valuable I would believe.