Unless I am mistaken, you would have to use it before they case the Cruise or Dig because once they have cast it the Delve cost has already been used and you cannot activate in in response to rid of a card to try and stop them from casting.
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Ya, sorry, I should've explained my thinking a little bit.
You can use it every turn to put "pressure" on their GY, instead of being a one-time shot like most other graveyard hate. That seems to be the problem with other GY hate, is you have to decide when to use it, and in the case of Dig, they can even respond to use by casting. This is just fire & forget, and it cantrips even when tapped, for one colorless. So you wouldn't do this at end of turn. You'd use the normal tap activations ASAP every time.
It's a low Probability shot, and seems like it it's just a no-go in any kind of aggro/tempo deck. But slower or more controllish decks might find it useful. I don't know, haven't tried it yet.
Relic of Progenitus similarly taps to slowly shrink graveyards, but you can pop it to draw a card and exile all graveyards in one shot.
True, but there is one way that Phyrexian Furnace is better; they don't get to choose which card to exile. Against a Relic of Progenitus tapping, the opponent always gets to choose, giving them an advantage. Phyrexian Furnace always hitting the bottom card means they lack that choice. Admittedly, the bottom card might not be the one you most want to exile, but it means you have a higher chance of getting rid of stuff your opponent may not want you to. Its tap ability is better than that of Relic of Progenitus.
On the downside, its second ability is far worse. It does not clear out their graveyard in one go. For that matter, it sacrifices itself rather than exiling, so it can actually grow a Tarmogoyf, which is one of the things Relic of Progenitus is quite adept at shrinking.
If the first ability is all that really matters, Phyrexian Furnace is the better one. But normally the second ability is so much better on Relic of Progenitus that it's worth having the first ability be a little weaker.
Relic is the obvious better pick because its second ability has more utility in other situations. And with Legacy's diverse meta, picking the sideboard card with the broader potential useability is generally the right choice.
And quite frankly, Deathrite Shaman is a better general use card than both of them and can also remove a card from a graveyard every turn.
Basically if you put Phyrexian Furnace in your deck just to mitigate Treasure Cruise, the guy playing Treasure Cruise wins out on that exchange.
Worst of all its unlikely to even succeed at putting a serious damper on their ability to cast Treasure Cruise. This is Legacy. One card a turn? Please.
I like relic way more than furnace. Relic sacrificing makes cruise uncastable immediately. This is only good turn 1 and even then is less effective than deathrite shaman. See no reason to run phyrexian furnace in legacy.
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Yeah, Relic of Progenitus is better all around, because of the graveyard nuke.
If anything, a closer comparison to Relic is Nihil Spellbomb, as that doesn't require any mana to nuke, and you can target your opponent's graveyard which lets you keep your own. But if you do want to draw like Relic, you can pay the mana cost anyway and effectively be playing the same card (Relic). It hitting the graveyard instead of exiling can potentially be a plus like with Academy Ruins or something (generally probably more of a minus though :/).
Obviously, downside is that it requires black if you want the draw, and you don't have the tap-per-turn ability like Relic. And sometimes maybe nuking your own graveyard is necessary (vs. their DRS or Tarmogoyf).
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Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
I have heard vague rumors of a moustache-dispensing vending machine in a distant laundromat, across the street from a tattoo parlor. However, this information is shaky, and time is of the essence.
I think it might me worth trying as an "answer" vs Treasure Cruise & Dig Through time. Well, probably not an answer. But a at least a mitigator.
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You can use it every turn to put "pressure" on their GY, instead of being a one-time shot like most other graveyard hate. That seems to be the problem with other GY hate, is you have to decide when to use it, and in the case of Dig, they can even respond to use by casting. This is just fire & forget, and it cantrips even when tapped, for one colorless. So you wouldn't do this at end of turn. You'd use the normal tap activations ASAP every time.
It's a low Probability shot, and seems like it it's just a no-go in any kind of aggro/tempo deck. But slower or more controllish decks might find it useful. I don't know, haven't tried it yet.
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On the downside, its second ability is far worse. It does not clear out their graveyard in one go. For that matter, it sacrifices itself rather than exiling, so it can actually grow a Tarmogoyf, which is one of the things Relic of Progenitus is quite adept at shrinking.
If the first ability is all that really matters, Phyrexian Furnace is the better one. But normally the second ability is so much better on Relic of Progenitus that it's worth having the first ability be a little weaker.
And quite frankly, Deathrite Shaman is a better general use card than both of them and can also remove a card from a graveyard every turn.
Basically if you put Phyrexian Furnace in your deck just to mitigate Treasure Cruise, the guy playing Treasure Cruise wins out on that exchange.
Worst of all its unlikely to even succeed at putting a serious damper on their ability to cast Treasure Cruise. This is Legacy. One card a turn? Please.
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If anything, a closer comparison to Relic is Nihil Spellbomb, as that doesn't require any mana to nuke, and you can target your opponent's graveyard which lets you keep your own. But if you do want to draw like Relic, you can pay the mana cost anyway and effectively be playing the same card (Relic). It hitting the graveyard instead of exiling can potentially be a plus like with Academy Ruins or something (generally probably more of a minus though :/).
Obviously, downside is that it requires black if you want the draw, and you don't have the tap-per-turn ability like Relic. And sometimes maybe nuking your own graveyard is necessary (vs. their DRS or Tarmogoyf).