Sucks they started out in round 4, instead of 3. Can anyone shed some light as to why?
Wow, Rill's RUGb list looks cool. Walked all over that Show and X deck.
It could be that Standard finals took so long that the coverage team didn't get to the legacy portion till a while after. Idk. I just know that legacy rounds started some time during the top 8 of the standard portion.
Imperial Painter beatdown. Sometimes, some matches have an awesome twist to it. Blood Moon really saved him.
Painter doing what Painter does, very typical. The so-called "Esper Miracle" looks atrocious, it should be a crime to build Esper Stoneblade and disguise itself as Miracle. You got SFM package, Lingering souls, just drop Miracle stuff and be a real Esper Stoneblade deck. This kind of wish-washy half-ass doing-well-in-neither is barely a deck.
Yeah, I agree. That list looked terrible. Just in general, I really hate most all of Joe Bernal's "brews." Most of them are simply jamming two deck types together (often looking and doing rather poorly) or upping the count of a few select cards (see Supreme Blade).
Man, Dead Guy Ale and Nic Fit in the feature MUs? Man, SCG actually listened to their audience and have more variety in their video. Also, these are 2 decks I am thinking about adopting, to trade away my blue duals and finish my non blue collection.
Dead Guy eliminated Aluren! Wewt.
There's a lot of fun matches on stream today!
lol I think you actually missed that I posted Rill's list in the last post you quoted me.
Reprints the one card that people point to when saying that art objectifies women.
Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
I have heard vague rumors of a moustache-dispensing vending machine in a distant laundromat, across the street from a tattoo parlor. However, this information is shaky, and time is of the essence.
Capitalizing on your opponent being "dumb" feels like cheating to me..
I'm sure that's how every merchant feels when they trade a service or a product with you. It's completely voluntary. Sam didn't force you or blackmail you into doing anything, he simply asked a question. That's not the same as stacking a deck or doing some strange shuffles. To me, arranging your deck instead of randomizing your deck, that's cheating.
Again, we as the out-sider certainly can speculate what's in Sam Black's mind. We are not Sam. In an alternative universe, you can do a mock trial and get the lawyers to do cross-examination on Sam, but we cannot be mind-readers. The concrete evidence suggested that Sam asked the question, James fell for it.
James got next-leveled. I don't see this as cheating.
This is an absolute load of BS. If he did know and intentionally was attempting to mise a win (which is likely in this case) then there is no next leveling there. You aren't bluffing cards or something. This is a straight up illegal maneuver. Absolutely disgusting that anyone could possibly even think that this is "next leveling" your opponent.
Capitalizing on your opponent being "dumb" feels like cheating to me..
I'm sure that's how every merchant feels when they trade a service or a product with you. It's completely voluntary. Sam didn't force you or blackmail you into doing anything, he simply asked a question. That's not the same as stacking a deck or doing some strange shuffles. To me, arranging your deck instead of randomizing your deck, that's cheating.
Again, we as the out-sider certainly can speculate what's in Sam Black's mind. We are not Sam. In an alternative universe, you can do a mock trial and get the lawyers to do cross-examination on Sam, but we cannot be mind-readers. The concrete evidence suggested that Sam asked the question, James fell for it.
James got next-leveled. I don't see this as cheating.
This is an absolute load of BS. If he did know and intentionally was attempting to mise a win (which is likely in this case) then there is no next leveling there. You aren't bluffing cards or something. This is a straight up illegal maneuver. Absolutely disgusting that anyone could possibly even think that this is "next leveling" your opponent.
I didn't watch it, but did Sam actually attack with the creature or did he just ask if it was summoning sick? If he doesn't actually attack, it's not cheating. He can absolutely ask his opponent if it has summoning sickness and then try to bait the concession when the opponent says no.
He asked the guy if the elf could attack (which is strange since his plays indicated he knew he needed a lethal craterhoof on its own) and the guy said it can. He turned them both sideways and then the guy scooped with a lethal baneslayer on the board.
Capitalizing on your opponent being "dumb" feels like cheating to me..
I'm sure that's how every merchant feels when they trade a service or a product with you. It's completely voluntary. Sam didn't force you or blackmail you into doing anything, he simply asked a question. That's not the same as stacking a deck or doing some strange shuffles. To me, arranging your deck instead of randomizing your deck, that's cheating.
Again, we as the out-sider certainly can speculate what's in Sam Black's mind. We are not Sam. In an alternative universe, you can do a mock trial and get the lawyers to do cross-examination on Sam, but we cannot be mind-readers. The concrete evidence suggested that Sam asked the question, James fell for it.
James got next-leveled. I don't see this as cheating.
This is an absolute load of BS. If he did know and intentionally was attempting to mise a win (which is likely in this case) then there is no next leveling there. You aren't bluffing cards or something. This is a straight up illegal maneuver. Absolutely disgusting that anyone could possibly even think that this is "next leveling" your opponent.
I didn't watch it, but did Sam actually attack with the creature or did he just ask if it was summoning sick? If he doesn't actually attack, it's not cheating. He can absolutely ask his opponent if it has summoning sickness and then try to bait the concession when the opponent says no.
Setting up an illegal game state is legal just because your opponent says so? HELL NO!
Then to pander and say it's 'next level' is idiotic. I hope you try this 'next level' trick and get turfed from a tournament. THAT would be next level!
He did attack and his opponent "died". The way he went throughout that turn, attempting to dump as many men as possible on the board, while trying GSZ tricks to keep his deck with enough cards to not deck himself was obvious that he knew that hoof was the only man that could attack. If he thought another guy could attack he would not have gone to such great lengths to get so many creatures on board.
Has "next-leveled" been turned from "Using game-state + poker face to bluff opponent into a bad play" into "give haste to your guys for free by taking a 30 minute turn and flopping on your combo"?
Really? Where's the thumbs down button on the forum?
Boring your opponent into conceding isn't actually a valid strategy; otherwise Lands/Storm/Omnishow decks would stop running win conditions.
I wanted to watch the actual video before commenting, and after seeing it, I am convinced that Sam Black knew exactly what he was doing. As mentioned by previous posters, the way he meticulously counted creatures, the GSZ tricks, etc, indicated that he KNEW only Craterhoof could attack. It didn't seem like an honest mistake. This also was NOT a "next-level" play because he actually attacked with the summoning sick visionary. Asking an opponent for permission to attack illegally was far too close to double Explore.
What is his opponent had called him out and said no, it has summoning sickness. What happens then? Sam immediately extends his hand for the loss? Sam looks at the board and goes...oh you're right....
Same ALWAYS knows whats going on with the board state. He saw one last chance at an out and ran with it. Played it pretty smooth too. His opponent got full on bamboozled out of a win.
What is his opponent had called him out and said no, it has summoning sickness. What happens then? Sam immediately extends his hand for the loss? Sam looks at the board and goes...oh you're right....
Same ALWAYS knows whats going on with the board state. He saw one last chance at an out and ran with it. Played it pretty smooth too. His opponent got full on bamboozled out of a win.
So, basically, Sam did nothing wrong. He didn't lie about derived information by asking a question. This is no different from laying a FoW on the table with no blue cards in hand and seeing if your opponent scoops.
I hate to break it to you guys, but if you want to win, you play to win without hangups. Just like anything else in life, the best way to reach any goal is to sociopathically pursue that goal.
So, basically, Sam did nothing wrong. He didn't lie about derived information by asking a question. This is no different from laying a FoW on the table with no blue cards in hand and seeing if your opponent scoops.
You would be right if he just asked the question to his opponent, got an answer indicating that his opponent has no idea what's going on, then cast Craterhoof Behemoth and stared at his opponent real hard to fish for the concession or something like that. However, in this situation, Sam does something that is clearly a violation of the game rules in that he declares a summoning sick creature as an attacker. This is different than laying a Force of Will on the table because the Tournament Rules state that you can reveal hidden information (such as the content of your hand) without penalty, so you could actually make the argument that you were just revealing Force of Will because you felt like it. But the moment your opponent starts to put his spell into the graveyard, asks you what you're exiling, marks you down as losing a life, or in anyway indicates that he thinks you're casting Force of Will, you have to make it clear that you aren't.
I wanted to watch the actual video before commenting, and after seeing it, I am convinced that Sam Black knew exactly what he was doing. As mentioned by previous posters, the way he meticulously counted creatures, the GSZ tricks, etc, indicated that he KNEW only Craterhoof could attack. It didn't seem like an honest mistake. This also was NOT a "next-level" play because he actually attacked with the summoning sick visionary. Asking an opponent for permission to attack illegally was far too close to double Explore.
He asked the guy if the elf could attack (which is strange since his plays indicated he knew he needed a lethal craterhoof on its own) and the guy said it can. He turned them both sideways and then the guy scooped with a lethal baneslayer on the board.
He did attack and his opponent "died". The way he went throughout that turn, attempting to dump as many men as possible on the board, while trying GSZ tricks to keep his deck with enough cards to not deck himself was obvious that he knew that hoof was the only man that could attack. If he thought another guy could attack he would not have gone to such great lengths to get so many creatures on board.
All of these things.
I can't believe anyone is trying to massage this into being anything other than trying to manipulate your opponent into a concession. I watched that entire match, and the amount of attention he's paying to the number of creatures on board due to the fact that he knew he could only get Craterhoof through is very obvious.
IIRC, the opponent only had Eternal Witness open to block, and I think Black had gotten up to 21 or 22 creatures on board including Craterhoof which left him 1-2 damage shy with Joe being at 27. Then, suddenly, when Black realized he was off he decides that maybe Visionary isn't sick, and tricks Joe. Black was being extremely precise that entire play, and could have won with 11 creatures on board if I'm doing my math correctly: 16/16 Hoof, 12/12 Visionary, block 1 point with Witness deal 27.
Having seen the match, I can't be convinced that this wasn't a deliberate mislead that lead to a scoop. I also think that this is cheating, and that if the rules imply it isn't, that the rules need to account for it somehow.
lol I think you actually missed that I posted Rill's list in the last post you quoted me.
Yep, I missed that. Haha. Good to see that he did well. Congrats to Eric.
This is an absolute load of BS. If he did know and intentionally was attempting to mise a win (which is likely in this case) then there is no next leveling there. You aren't bluffing cards or something. This is a straight up illegal maneuver. Absolutely disgusting that anyone could possibly even think that this is "next leveling" your opponent.
I didn't watch it, but did Sam actually attack with the creature or did he just ask if it was summoning sick? If he doesn't actually attack, it's not cheating. He can absolutely ask his opponent if it has summoning sickness and then try to bait the concession when the opponent says no.
Setting up an illegal game state is legal just because your opponent says so? HELL NO!
Then to pander and say it's 'next level' is idiotic. I hope you try this 'next level' trick and get turfed from a tournament. THAT would be next level!
Really? Where's the thumbs down button on the forum?
Boring your opponent into conceding isn't actually a valid strategy; otherwise Lands/Storm/Omnishow decks would stop running win conditions.
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Same ALWAYS knows whats going on with the board state. He saw one last chance at an out and ran with it. Played it pretty smooth too. His opponent got full on bamboozled out of a win.
So, basically, Sam did nothing wrong. He didn't lie about derived information by asking a question. This is no different from laying a FoW on the table with no blue cards in hand and seeing if your opponent scoops.
I hate to break it to you guys, but if you want to win, you play to win without hangups. Just like anything else in life, the best way to reach any goal is to sociopathically pursue that goal.
You would be right if he just asked the question to his opponent, got an answer indicating that his opponent has no idea what's going on, then cast Craterhoof Behemoth and stared at his opponent real hard to fish for the concession or something like that. However, in this situation, Sam does something that is clearly a violation of the game rules in that he declares a summoning sick creature as an attacker. This is different than laying a Force of Will on the table because the Tournament Rules state that you can reveal hidden information (such as the content of your hand) without penalty, so you could actually make the argument that you were just revealing Force of Will because you felt like it. But the moment your opponent starts to put his spell into the graveyard, asks you what you're exiling, marks you down as losing a life, or in anyway indicates that he thinks you're casting Force of Will, you have to make it clear that you aren't.
It's even called "Scandal!". The irony level is currently about to exceed nine thousand.
Big Thanks to Xeno for sig art <3.
All of these things.
I can't believe anyone is trying to massage this into being anything other than trying to manipulate your opponent into a concession. I watched that entire match, and the amount of attention he's paying to the number of creatures on board due to the fact that he knew he could only get Craterhoof through is very obvious.
IIRC, the opponent only had Eternal Witness open to block, and I think Black had gotten up to 21 or 22 creatures on board including Craterhoof which left him 1-2 damage shy with Joe being at 27. Then, suddenly, when Black realized he was off he decides that maybe Visionary isn't sick, and tricks Joe. Black was being extremely precise that entire play, and could have won with 11 creatures on board if I'm doing my math correctly: 16/16 Hoof, 12/12 Visionary, block 1 point with Witness deal 27.
Having seen the match, I can't be convinced that this wasn't a deliberate mislead that lead to a scoop. I also think that this is cheating, and that if the rules imply it isn't, that the rules need to account for it somehow.
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