I need the best enchantment that you can slap down on the table from an Academy Rector trigger.
I know most people say Yawgmoth's Bargain, and while that sounds nice and all, it doesn't answer the fact that I may have just sacrificed my rector to a swinging Emrakul, the Aeons Torn.
Additionally, the deck does play something like a combo deck, but bargain isn't really going to be what I'm searching for, because it isn't that type of combo deck. Also, if I am at the point mentioned above, it isn't going to win the game.
I am already running the following: Oblivion Ring Humility Moat
Which are great cars to deal with Emrakul, but I want better. I want to just plain win.
I am thinking of something like: Confiscate Take Possession Volition Reins
To take Emrakul for my own, but somehow I can't stop to think that there has to be better more classy way to say you just got owned.
Too bad I can't expect to be out of cards or I could go for Barren Glory.
Any ideas?
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Since emrakul got protection from colored spells you cannot enchant him with those anyways. Don't really see how those "great cards vs. emrakul" is so great vs. him either. Except humility that is. EDIT: MY bad on the obli-ring. works fine.
Near Death Experience coupled with something that stops you from going below 1 life when emmy swings could be a solution though.
Depending on devotion etc. you could maybe get a god or an enchantmentcreature to atleast chumpblock him.
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There are three fringe-ish Legacy decks that make use of Academy Rector.
The first is a variation on the top-tier deck Omni-Tell. It attempts to cheat Omniscience into play using Show and Tell, and in the Rector version, additionally with Academy Rector sacrificed to High Market. Once Omniscience is in play, the deck casts Emrakul, the Aeons Torn for free, taking another turn and bashing the opponent for 6 annihilator and 15 damage. Alternately, it can cast Enter the Infinite to draw the entire library and set up a win that way (either by casting multiple Emrakuls to get several turns worth of annihilator 6 + 15 damage, or through a more convoluted plan - one version uses Cunning Wish to find Research // Development to put Laboratory Maniac into the deck, draws it, and then casts it followed by a cantrip for the win).
The second is Hulk-Rebirth. The deck plays a cheap sacrifice outlet like Viscera Seer or Carrion Feeder, and then aims to set up a Protean Hulk chain for the win. This can be accomplished by enchanting a creature with Pattern of Rebirth and then saccing it to find Hulk. Sac the Hulk to get Karmic Guide, returning the Hulk. Sac the Hulk again to get Kiki-jiki, Mirror Breaker. Copy the Karmic Guide and sac Kiki in response, letting you reanimate Kiki and creating infinite hasty Guides to swing for the win. Academy Rector fits in here, because sacrifcing the Rector lets you find Pattern of Rebirth to kickstart the combo. Effectively, Rector works as copies 5-8 of Pattern.
The third, least-frequently seen deck attempts to cast Academy Rector and follow it up with Kaervek's Spite. It doesn't matter if the Spite gets countered, you still pitch your entire hand and sac all your permanents, letting Rector go find Barren Glory for the win on your next upkeep.
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yes, protection from colored spells does not protect emrakul from oblivion ring, on-board effects, or being enchanted (provided you can somehow enchant emrakul without targeting him with the enchantment on the stack, i.e. via academy rector or Zur the Enchanter
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yes, protection from colored spells does not protect emrakul from oblivion ring, on-board effects, or being enchanted (provided you can somehow enchant emrakul without targeting him with the enchantment on the stack, i.e. via academy rector or Zur the Enchanter
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If you pull up the rulings on Emrakul you'll find:
"Protection from colored SPELLS"
6/15/2010 "Protection from colored spells" means that Emrakul can't be the target of colored spells (including colored Aura spells) or of abilities whose sources are colored spells (such as the "when you cast" ability of an Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre that's been turned red by Painter's Servant). It also means that all damage that would be dealt to Emrakul by colored spells is prevented. Like every protection ability, it works only while Emrakul is on the battlefield.
6/15/2010 "Colored spells" is not synonymous with "colored instants and sorceries." For example, if a player cycles Choking Tethers, its triggered ability may target Emrakul because Choking Tethers wasn't cast as a spell.
He is not protected from Auras that are not "CAST" as a spell, and rector puts them in play without making them a spell.
As for omniscience...I can't really abuse it for the win.
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Aside from the answers already given it seems your bigger issue revolves around what you actually want to do with your deck. Is rector in a prominent role that it supplements your way to win or, as it seems, you want a janky tutor for when you are getting crippled?
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Again, looking for best answer mostly to Emrakul and possibly some other combo decks. The deck is already designed to do what it does, and Academy Rector is really only plan B or C in the deck.
I am not trying to design/redesign a deck, I am looking for a solid choice "1 of" to tutor into play from an already constructed deck. I guess maybe it would be better phrased as that I am looking for a list of best enchantments against the commonly played decks.
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Well without a deck list and your concerns about emrakul oblivion ring/humility sound like your answers. Otherwise you can look into enchantress and parfait, decks that traditionally look to enchantments to best entire strategies.
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I'd like to mention that Wildfire left out Nic Fit; which occasionally runs Rector. If you want more generically useful enchantments that you can cast without Rector as well; I'd suggest Spirit of the Labyrinth and Fate Unraveler. Unraveler and Spirit do basically the same thing; but to different kinds of decks, at different mana costs, etc; with Unraveler being slightly better against things like Miracles/Thopterbalance (you can eat the planeswalkers as they draw and get around Ensnaring Bridge) and Spirit being more generically useful against blue in general.
Also, some of the gods are pretty fiesty off of Rector; even if that still doesn't help with what you're trying to do. With what you're doing, ORing/humility is the best way to go; but you probably already lost at that point. 15 Flying + sac 6 is unlikely to "get owned" by anything; especially when you have to have rector on the field already; which is "meh" on possibility. These decks *do* run counterspells ya know..
If you want to do a "get owned" face against Sneak/Show you're probably running Karakas. It's also pretty sweet to drop Primetime in front of Grisel/Emmy and grab Karakas + Maze of Ith (I did that last weekend; felt good :)); then you can pull out your troll face.
I was going to say karmic justice then I read the card. Emrakul > karmic justice. And karmic justice doesn't straight up win the game rather just stops the opponent from attacking until they have 7 permanents or more.
Something that is neat is dance of many if you run blue however the only way this is superior to confiscate and company is that it can be hardcast more reliably as when cheated into play off of rector volition reins is the best card.
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Do you really need something better than Omniscience? And if that is already a deck, shouldn't the discussion be on that?
Finn, in short yes.
Longer answer...Omniscience does not work in my deck, and even if it did, I would think you would be one of the first to encourage exploration into knew ideas.
That said, thank you Mild Wongrel. 3 of those cards may be of some good use.
Do you really need something better than Omniscience? And if that is already a deck, shouldn't the discussion be on that?
Finn, in short yes.
Longer answer...Omniscience does not work in my deck, and even if it did, I would think you would be one of the first to encourage exploration into knew ideas.
That said, thank you Mild Wongrel. 3 of those cards may be of some good use.
OK, Mike. I had hoped you would see that you don't want to be playing a "Bad something else". That was silly considering your initial question, I suppose. How about Academy Rector into Barren Glory with Kaervek's Spite for sauce? Astoundingly, the Barren Glory thread that was alive for a year or so never mentioned Karevek's Spite. I think it is total jank, but...ya know. It has this going for it. The sacrifices are part of the cost, so it can't be countered or responded to (like with Swords to Plowshares).
OK, Mike. I had hoped you would see that you don't want to be playing a "Bad something else". That was silly considering your initial question, I suppose. How about Academy Rector into Barren Glory with Kaervek's Spite for sauce? Astoundingly, the Barren Glory thread that was alive for a year or so never mentioned Karevek's Spite. I think it is total jank, but...ya know. It has this going for it. The sacrifices are part of the cost, so it can't be countered or responded to (like with Swords to Plowshares).
The deck really isn't about combo with rector, but rather rector fits nicely into the deck. BTW, I am talking about my Ugly Duckling deck. I search vastly with different search devices trying to look for cards, but sometimes there is something that someone else knows that is phrased ever so differently.
I also find that asking a question with a deck list is less productive as people tend to exclude what they think might not work well for the deck. I want unfiltered ideas and opinions, and you would be surprised what cards young new players suggest when they don't feel pressured to not meet an expectation level that a deck may set.
I certainly am not trying to build a deck based off of rector to win with combo, but having an oops I fell into getting a 1 of that is searchable for tricks isn't bad. It is the same reason Elder Dragon Stompy is better than Dragon Stompy; having the ability to just luck your way into a combo can win you games.
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I am thinking of something like: Confiscate Take Possession Volition Reins
To take Emrakul for my own, but somehow I can't stop to think that there has to be better more classy way to say you just got owned.
If the point is you are losing to the Annihilator trigger and need something to steal Emrakul and that's why you want these Control Magic effects, then I think Corrupted Conscience might be a better "control magic" for that circumstance. That way he is a 15/15 infect creature, so it's a one hit kill for you. This is strictly for Emrakul though.
I need the best enchantment that you can slap down on the table from an Academy Rector trigger.
I know most people say Yawgmoth's Bargain, and while that sounds nice and all, it doesn't answer the fact that I may have just sacrificed my rector to a swinging Emrakul, the Aeons Torn.
Additionally, the deck does play something like a combo deck, but bargain isn't really going to be what I'm searching for, because it isn't that type of combo deck. Also, if I am at the point mentioned above, it isn't going to win the game.
I am already running the following:
Oblivion Ring
Humility
Moat
Which are great cars to deal with Emrakul, but I want better. I want to just plain win.
I am thinking of something like:
Confiscate
Take Possession
Volition Reins
To take Emrakul for my own, but somehow I can't stop to think that there has to be better more classy way to say you just got owned.
Too bad I can't expect to be out of cards or I could go for Barren Glory.
Any ideas?
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I guess leaving out Time Walk, Timetwister, and Ancestral Recall is budget.
Near Death Experience coupled with something that stops you from going below 1 life when emmy swings could be a solution though.
Depending on devotion etc. you could maybe get a god or an enchantmentcreature to atleast chumpblock him.
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The first is a variation on the top-tier deck Omni-Tell. It attempts to cheat Omniscience into play using Show and Tell, and in the Rector version, additionally with Academy Rector sacrificed to High Market. Once Omniscience is in play, the deck casts Emrakul, the Aeons Torn for free, taking another turn and bashing the opponent for 6 annihilator and 15 damage. Alternately, it can cast Enter the Infinite to draw the entire library and set up a win that way (either by casting multiple Emrakuls to get several turns worth of annihilator 6 + 15 damage, or through a more convoluted plan - one version uses Cunning Wish to find Research // Development to put Laboratory Maniac into the deck, draws it, and then casts it followed by a cantrip for the win).
The second is Hulk-Rebirth. The deck plays a cheap sacrifice outlet like Viscera Seer or Carrion Feeder, and then aims to set up a Protean Hulk chain for the win. This can be accomplished by enchanting a creature with Pattern of Rebirth and then saccing it to find Hulk. Sac the Hulk to get Karmic Guide, returning the Hulk. Sac the Hulk again to get Kiki-jiki, Mirror Breaker. Copy the Karmic Guide and sac Kiki in response, letting you reanimate Kiki and creating infinite hasty Guides to swing for the win.
Academy Rector fits in here, because sacrifcing the Rector lets you find Pattern of Rebirth to kickstart the combo. Effectively, Rector works as copies 5-8 of Pattern.
The third, least-frequently seen deck attempts to cast Academy Rector and follow it up with Kaervek's Spite. It doesn't matter if the Spite gets countered, you still pitch your entire hand and sac all your permanents, letting Rector go find Barren Glory for the win on your next upkeep.
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"Protection from colored SPELLS"
6/15/2010 "Protection from colored spells" means that Emrakul can't be the target of colored spells (including colored Aura spells) or of abilities whose sources are colored spells (such as the "when you cast" ability of an Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre that's been turned red by Painter's Servant). It also means that all damage that would be dealt to Emrakul by colored spells is prevented. Like every protection ability, it works only while Emrakul is on the battlefield.
6/15/2010 "Colored spells" is not synonymous with "colored instants and sorceries." For example, if a player cycles Choking Tethers, its triggered ability may target Emrakul because Choking Tethers wasn't cast as a spell.
He is not protected from Auras that are not "CAST" as a spell, and rector puts them in play without making them a spell.
As for omniscience...I can't really abuse it for the win.
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I guess leaving out Time Walk, Timetwister, and Ancestral Recall is budget.
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I am not trying to design/redesign a deck, I am looking for a solid choice "1 of" to tutor into play from an already constructed deck. I guess maybe it would be better phrased as that I am looking for a list of best enchantments against the commonly played decks.
Nothing says budget help like receiving $5000 in recommendations.
I guess leaving out Time Walk, Timetwister, and Ancestral Recall is budget.
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Also, some of the gods are pretty fiesty off of Rector; even if that still doesn't help with what you're trying to do. With what you're doing, ORing/humility is the best way to go; but you probably already lost at that point. 15 Flying + sac 6 is unlikely to "get owned" by anything; especially when you have to have rector on the field already; which is "meh" on possibility. These decks *do* run counterspells ya know..
If you want to do a "get owned" face against Sneak/Show you're probably running Karakas. It's also pretty sweet to drop Primetime in front of Grisel/Emmy and grab Karakas + Maze of Ith (I did that last weekend; felt good :)); then you can pull out your troll face.
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You're right, but kind of refferencing what I am looking for. A answer and win.
Nothing says budget help like receiving $5000 in recommendations.
I guess leaving out Time Walk, Timetwister, and Ancestral Recall is budget.
Something that is neat is dance of many if you run blue however the only way this is superior to confiscate and company is that it can be hardcast more reliably as when cheated into play off of rector volition reins is the best card.
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Faith's Fetters - Put it directly onto Jaces, dark depths, equipment, nimble mongoose, Emrakul, etc
Moat - Stops a lot of decks
Humility - Good against S&T
Pernicious Deed - Tutorable Sweeper
Recurring Nightmare - Lategame engine
Omniscience - If mana is an issue
Dovescape - Combo has a hard time winning
nether void - Combo has a hard time winning
Form of the dragon - Moat + win con
Curse of Death's Hold - Stops some decks, is a winmore combo with dovescape or humility
Chromanticore - big stupid beater
Eldrazi Conscription - Make a big stupid beater
Pattern of Rebirth - Find emrakul
Finn, in short yes.
Longer answer...Omniscience does not work in my deck, and even if it did, I would think you would be one of the first to encourage exploration into knew ideas.
That said, thank you Mild Wongrel. 3 of those cards may be of some good use.
Are there any real good enchantments to stop activated abilities other than Suppression Field, Stony Silence, & Faith's Fetters?
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I guess leaving out Time Walk, Timetwister, and Ancestral Recall is budget.
No problem, also, gatherer is your friend: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&type= [%22Enchantment%22]&text=+[abilities]+[activate]
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The deck really isn't about combo with rector, but rather rector fits nicely into the deck. BTW, I am talking about my Ugly Duckling deck. I search vastly with different search devices trying to look for cards, but sometimes there is something that someone else knows that is phrased ever so differently.
I also find that asking a question with a deck list is less productive as people tend to exclude what they think might not work well for the deck. I want unfiltered ideas and opinions, and you would be surprised what cards young new players suggest when they don't feel pressured to not meet an expectation level that a deck may set.
I certainly am not trying to build a deck based off of rector to win with combo, but having an oops I fell into getting a 1 of that is searchable for tricks isn't bad. It is the same reason Elder Dragon Stompy is better than Dragon Stompy; having the ability to just luck your way into a combo can win you games.
Nothing says budget help like receiving $5000 in recommendations.
I guess leaving out Time Walk, Timetwister, and Ancestral Recall is budget.
If the point is you are losing to the Annihilator trigger and need something to steal Emrakul and that's why you want these Control Magic effects, then I think Corrupted Conscience might be a better "control magic" for that circumstance. That way he is a 15/15 infect creature, so it's a one hit kill for you. This is strictly for Emrakul though.