The reserved list isn't a legally binding contract. It's a promise. If you could sue people for breaking promises in the US the courts would be quite busy (*cough* politicians *cough*). There's no case. And Hasbro is a multi billion dollar corporation so in other words you better be prepared to burn through millions of dollars in legal fees if you want to try to sue hasbro.
If reprints occurred I'm pretty sure prices would drop on dual lands and such. $250 for new in print underground sea's printed at rare? For that to happen WotC would have to print a very small amount indeed. Although foils would be gigantic in terms of price. So many legacy and vintage players/pimps would want them...
Promises are legally binding contracts under the proper circumstances (like they are here). Please do not talk about material as if it was fact when you are not educated on the matter.
Second, a plaintiff's class action attorney would take this case for 40% commission and do quite well against whatever inhouse (or firm) Hasbro uses.
Look up how many times people have sued a company because they went back on a promise and won, because I couldn't find a case where it wasn't dismissed at the earliest stage. The video game "League of Legends" recently went back on a promise to never sell certain "Skins" again. Pretty much the exact same situation as this. This upset tons of players and several of them threatened to seek legal action. The few of them that were serious all came back with the same story. A real attorney laughed them out of their office saying even if they did have a claim, which they don't, they were not about to take on a corporation worth over 4 BILLION dollars for doing what they please with their own copyright-ed and Trademark-ed brand.
This is an entirely different situation. The damages here are few dollars per person. Each person can only have the skin once. A class action attorney would have to find hundreds of thousands of players who were ready to sue to make it worth his time.
On the other case, an underground sea is worth 250 according to SCG. I'm a casual and I have three. A collector probably has a large amount. SCG probably has hundreds in reserve. This is a MUCH easier case with a much higher payout.
Just because the company is worth a lot does not mean it will obtain a better lawyer. These companies will have their inhouse lawyers and then obtain secondary counsel from a large firm in the event of a large suit. Plaintiff's lawyers for class actions and will not charge the client directly; they will take 40-60% of the damages awarded. They are very good and know how to win, just look at how much they charge.
TL;DR
The reserve list isn't going anywhere. For prices to drop you will either need a yugioh print run of let's ban a card and print it at common proportions or people will just have to stop paying exorbitant prices for cards.
Food for thought again though;
Wizards gets no income from the secondary market. But what if they could? If only WotC or Hasbro had a factory in, oh, maybe China. They could potentially flood the market with "proxies" for a fraction of the price and gain another source of revenue. Not to say there were a lot of fakes from china recently with a font issue, but that can also come off as a way to test a new market.
Why? There are NDAs attached to the details, which is why WotC/Magic employees answer the topic in a very tongue-in-cheek manner. This is also beyond an American courts thing. There are numerous countries involved (think of Europe and Asia where the game is also played) where such a RL reprint case could be disastrous. Magic is also selling like hotcakes. There's no reason to open pandora's box over something that is otherwise a financial cash-cow.
If that's not enough, the Magic Cartel would give final approval if the lawsuit situation were somehow cleared. You know who I am talking about. They currently keep MTG popular (tournaments and distribution), hype product for WotC (advertising new sets, etc), but ultimately own most of the cards in existence. Forget individual collectors. The bulk of MTG cards are owned by private corporations similar to hedge funds owning stocks. No hedge fund would willingly tank the value of their portfolio. While an increasing number of Legacy and Vintage players "agree" to reprinting something (for scarcity or price-inflation reasons), the Cartel wouldn't...unless it were profitable.
Taking a step back, there will come a day where large % of players feel a "price threshold" has been reached and the format is financially 'not worth it'. Rather than cash out entirely, WotC created Modern as a semi-alternative eternal format to Legacy. I felt Modern's announcement marked the slow but eventual end for Legacy. Granted, we aren't there yet, but the idea of inevitability remains. Modern is there to absorb players (both from Standard and Legacy alike). Modern can be reprinted. Modern can be "controlled" (even if its B/R list is poorly managed). Where am I going with this? Modern's reprintability serves as a large-scale counterweight to Legacy's RL. The cost of the game will continue to rise. That's just going to happen (as the secondary market continues to push prices higher overall).
Magic is a collectable card game. It hurts me to say it, but WotC will most likely let Legacy drift away similar to Vintage. And yea, Vintage is still being played. The collectable part of MTG let the format fade, but it's still around. The RL isn't going to budge (I highly doubt it guys). Modern is where WotC wants to funnel us. And at a certain point, the Magic Cartel will switch their focus from Legacy to Modern. This is the roadmap for competitive eternal and it is all tied to the RL situation.
If this "cartel" is against price control of staples for Legacy, and is an obstacle for WotC reprinting cards, and will eventually switch their focus from Legacy to Modern, why would they be any more in favor of price control and allow it there?
Food for thought again though;
Wizards gets no income from the secondary market. But what if they could? If only WotC or Hasbro had a factory in, oh, maybe China. They could potentially flood the market with "proxies" for a fraction of the price and gain another source of revenue. Not to say there were a lot of fakes from china recently with a font issue, but that can also come off as a way to test a new market.
What if these "Official Proxies" were made legal for tournament play IF the player(DCI#) has purchased an "Electronic Copy" of the card.
Technically they would be actual cards sold as "proxies". The few that have surfaced here have a different paper or coating. Otherwise they are indistinguishable.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
------------------- Keep Abiding or Get Mangled ------------------
If this "cartel" is against price control of staples for Legacy, and is an obstacle for WotC reprinting cards, and will eventually switch their focus from Legacy to Modern, why would they be any more in favor of price control and allow it there?
When you control a heavy % of the market, you're probably against reprints. They are the "price control" at the moment. Controlling Modern will be harder but no doubt they'll figure it out/learn to gouge different. Atm, legacy prices are directly due to their pent demand.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
That which nourishes me, destroys me
10th at SCG: Syracuse (2014), GP:NJ Last-Chance Grinder Winner (2014):: Former Legacy Mod
I mean, hell, we're all on a forum for something that most people would describe as a "children's card game"...do what makes you happy. You are never too old to enjoy yourself.
When you control a heavy % of the market, you're probably against reprints. They are the "price control" at the moment. Controlling Modern will be harder but no doubt they'll figure it out/learn to gouge different. Atm, legacy prices are directly due to their pent demand.
Industry heavy hitters like SCG are on record as being in favor of abolishing the Reserve List, and reprinting cards more in general, though. If you're right that they'll seamlessly move to making the bulk of their money from Modern, with a different strategy that's less dependent on no reprints, it follows that they could do the same with Legacy if there were reprints. People are sometimes skeptical of big retailers' public stances on the topic, and cite devaluation of their large stocks of Legacy staples as a reason, but don't give them credit for recognizing damage to a format because of high prices. If the format dropped of a cliff because of inaccessibility or other factors (which I really don't think is on the horizon), their stock of high-priced non-collectible staples like Jittes, Stoneforge Mystics, Chain Lightnings, white bordered Scrublands, and stacks more would be devalued too, and in a less recoverable manner.
When you control a heavy % of the market, you're probably against reprints. They are the "price control" at the moment. Controlling Modern will be harder but no doubt they'll figure it out/learn to gouge different. Atm, legacy prices are directly due to their pent demand.
Industry heavy hitters like SCG are on record as being in favor of abolishing the Reserve List, and reprinting cards more in general, though. If you're right that they'll seamlessly move to making the bulk of their money from Modern, with a different strategy that's less dependent on no reprints, it follows that they could do the same with Legacy if there were reprints. People are sometimes skeptical of big retailers' public stances on the topic, and cite devaluation of their large stocks of Legacy staples as a reason, but don't give them credit for recognizing damage to a format because of high prices. If the format dropped of a cliff because of inaccessibility or other factors (which I really don't think is on the horizon), their stock of high-priced non-collectible staples like Jittes, Stoneforge Mystics, Chain Lightnings, white bordered Scrublands, and stacks more would be devalued too, and in a less recoverable manner.
This is nowhere near true. Vintage is pretty much dead, did the P9 drop in value? Nope.
This is nowhere near true. Vintage is pretty much dead, did the P9 drop in value? Nope.
You're comparing the market characteristics of Legacy cards like Revised Scrubland and Umezawa's Jitte with Vintage cards like Moxen and Ancestral Recall? I took pains to be specific and I'd appreciate it if you recognized the difference.
If the format dropped of a cliff because of inaccessibility or other factors (which I really don't think is on the horizon), their stock of high-priced non-collectible staples like Jittes, Stoneforge Mystics, Chain Lightnings, white bordered Scrublands, and stacks more would be devalued too, and in a less recoverable manner.
If Legacy were at the status of Vintage (again, not a worry, as tournaments are growing in size and frequency), your analogy would be correct for certain cards. The ones that are actually prized by collectors. In this not-happening scenario, cards like Beta Volcanic Islands, Candelabra of Tawnos, Moat, Gaea's Cradle, and others would absolutely not drop in value in the long term.
Cards which hold value because of being played in Legacy, are not coveted by collectors, and are not widely played in other formats like EDH (or are, but get at least a healthy chunk of their value from Legacy), would absolutely drop. In this truly hypothetical world, even granting that MtG cards are not a truly elastic item and that there is price memory, those Tempest Wastelands are not staying at $100, and those Dark Depths are not staying at $50.
Magic is a collectable card game. It hurts me to say it, but WotC will most likely let Legacy drift away similar to Vintage. And yea, Vintage is still being played. The collectable part of MTG let the format fade, but it's still around. The RL isn't going to budge (I highly doubt it guys). Modern is where WotC wants to funnel us. And at a certain point, the Magic Cartel will switch their focus from Legacy to Modern. This is the roadmap for competitive eternal and it is all tied to the RL situation.
I am tired of the "Magic is a collectible card game" argument. Do you know what Magic isn't referred to as by Wizards? A collectible card game. With very rare exceptions, the only time I ever see anyone refer to Magic as a collectible card game is when people use that as an argument against reprints or keeping the Reserved List or whatever.
More to the point, cards with high costs usually don't have those costs because they're collectible! Do you know why a revised Underground Sea is worth tons? It's not because they're highly collectible (Alpha/Beta ones are, though). It's because they're highly usable. There's a limited quantity of them, and people want to buy them to use. It's why tickets to the Super Bowl are so expensive; there's a huge demand for them, but (relative to the demand) limited supply. People don't buy Super Bowl tickets because they think "oh boy, this is a collectible." They buy Super Bowl tickets because they want to go to the Super Bowl... or, alternatively, to try to scalp them. But even in that case it's selling them to someone who wants to use them.
If a card is legitimately collectible, a mass reprint would have little to no effect on it. How much have the constant reprints of Shakespeare's plays damaged the value of The First Folio, copies of which sell for millions of dollars? How much have the billions (trillions? quadrillions?) of postage stamps harmed the price of Inverted Jennys? Those are actual collectibles. No one thinks to themselves that they want to read a Shakespeare play and then buys a copy of The First Folio, and no one buys an Inverted Jenny stamp just to mail it. For a more Magic pertinent analogy, people often point to the high price of Alpha or Beta copies of Birds of Paradise, despite the fact the card has been in continuous print all the way up to Magic 2012. Those Alpha/Beta copies are collectibles, so Wizards of the Coast could print Birds of Paradise at common and they'd retain value. Thoughtseize, on the other hand, took a big drop in price when it got reprinted, because its value didn't come from collectibility--it came from usability.
A card being on the Reserved List does exactly zero to preserve that card's collectibility. If it's collectible, reprints will have no effect on its price. If a reprint does have a noticeable impact, then that just means the card's value wasn't from collectibility in the first place.
The Reserved List has nothing to do with preserving collectibility. The only thing it actually preserves is value.
When you control a heavy % of the market, you're probably against reprints. They are the "price control" at the moment. Controlling Modern will be harder but no doubt they'll figure it out/learn to gouge different. Atm, legacy prices are directly due to their pent demand.
Industry heavy hitters like SCG are on record as being in favor of abolishing the Reserve List, and reprinting cards more in general, though. If you're right that they'll seamlessly move to making the bulk of their money from Modern, with a different strategy that's less dependent on no reprints, it follows that they could do the same with Legacy if there were reprints. People are sometimes skeptical of big retailers' public stances on the topic, and cite devaluation of their large stocks of Legacy staples as a reason, but don't give them credit for recognizing damage to a format because of high prices. If the format dropped of a cliff because of inaccessibility or other factors (which I really don't think is on the horizon), their stock of high-priced non-collectible staples like Jittes, Stoneforge Mystics, Chain Lightnings, white bordered Scrublands, and stacks more would be devalued too, and in a less recoverable manner.
This is nowhere near true. Vintage is pretty much dead, did the P9 drop in value? Nope.
That's due to them being the P9, and having that fame to them. Look at strip mine, it's better than wasteland but due to only being allowed in vintage, its price is very low.
STATISTICS.
All of these "Let's eliminate bad cards" crusades are simply ignorant. And when they start to devolve into "WotC is conspiring to give us crappy cards," they just become embarrassing. MATH is conspiring to give you crappy cards.
Eliminating the reserved list has legal implications and as such it will never happen. They could get sued for a lot. It's the same reason they took so long to ban Stoneforge Mystic from Standard and eventually were only able to do it with that condition - they advertised a product with SFM in it as FNM ready, and if SFM was banned, this is a lie. For the same reason, they can't go back on the reserved list.
Absolutely false. Any legal challenge would get laughed out of court, and justifiably so.
My suggested alternative Ban all cards on the reserve list from Legacy.
You suggestion is to destroy legacy?
No Change it, Yes the mana base would be strictly worse and afew good cards would no longer be playable but, many of the format staples are NOT on the list, FOW, Waistland, Fetch Lands, brainstorm, Lighting Bolt, Goyf, BOB, Dark Ritual, SCM, ect, the big pieces for great decks still exsist they would only need a touch of tweeking.
My suggested alternative Ban all cards on the reserve list from Legacy.
You suggestion is to destroy legacy?
No Change it, Yes the mana base would be strictly worse and afew good cards would no longer be playable but, many of the format staples are NOT on the list, FOW, Waistland, Fetch Lands, brainstorm, Lighting Bolt, Goyf, BOB, Dark Ritual, SCM, ect, the big pieces for great decks still exsist they would only need a touch of tweeking.
The purpose of the ban list is to remove problematic cards that hurt the competitive metagame. Duals don't do that. They aren't bannable. It's a ridiculous suggestion.
My suggested alternative Ban all cards on the reserve list from Legacy.
You suggestion is to destroy legacy?
No Change it, Yes the mana base would be strictly worse and afew good cards would no longer be playable but, many of the format staples are NOT on the list, FOW, Waistland, Fetch Lands, brainstorm, Lighting Bolt, Goyf, BOB, Dark Ritual, SCM, ect, the big pieces for great decks still exsist they would only need a touch of tweeking.
No, you would be destroying legacy, you're taking away many of the things that make it great and interesting. No one wants it.
Edit: As well, the diversity of decks would collapse, only a few would be even able to survive that culling.
STATISTICS.
All of these "Let's eliminate bad cards" crusades are simply ignorant. And when they start to devolve into "WotC is conspiring to give us crappy cards," they just become embarrassing. MATH is conspiring to give you crappy cards.
My suggested alternative Ban all cards on the reserve list from Legacy.
You suggestion is to destroy legacy?
No Change it, Yes the mana base would be strictly worse and afew good cards would no longer be playable but, many of the format staples are NOT on the list, FOW, Waistland, Fetch Lands, brainstorm, Lighting Bolt, Goyf, BOB, Dark Ritual, SCM, ect, the big pieces for great decks still exsist they would only need a touch of tweeking.
Did you take a look at the reserved list? That would completely destroy the format...you would ban the big pieces for great decks. Just to mention a few: Tabernacle, Intuition and Mox Diamond - that would destroy the Lands deck.I can't imagine one could tweak the loss of these cards...
Forget about just lands, many of the three color decks would be irreparably damaged.
STATISTICS.
All of these "Let's eliminate bad cards" crusades are simply ignorant. And when they start to devolve into "WotC is conspiring to give us crappy cards," they just become embarrassing. MATH is conspiring to give you crappy cards.
Tons of decks would be killed off if they did as draftguy2 suggested. Lion's Eye Diamond being gone would signal the end of Storm decks as we know them. High Tide would be nerfed not just due to Candelabra of Tawnos being gone, but also Meditate and more importantly Time Spiral. MUD would be much worse without Metalworker, Grim Monolith, and City of Traitors. Elves would lose Gaea's Cradle and be worse. And of course, every single Delver tempo deck would cease to exist because the shockland manabases would bleed them to death with all the fetching and Daze-ing.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Special thanks to Hakai Studios and SushiOtter for the sig!
Legacy:UR Sneak and Show IUBG Team America IX Metalworker MUD Modern:UBR Blue Jund IWBX Eldrazi Processors IX Affinity IWRG Nacatl Burn IGR Tron IUBR Grishoalbrand
Eliminating the reserved list has legal implications and as such it will never happen. They could get sued for a lot. It's the same reason they took so long to ban Stoneforge Mystic from Standard and eventually were only able to do it with that condition - they advertised a product with SFM in it as FNM ready, and if SFM was banned, this is a lie. For the same reason, they can't go back on the reserved list.
Absolutely false. Any legal challenge would get laughed out of court, and justifiably so.
I've already gone into depth on why this is entirely incorrect. Stop posting your opinions on the legal issues of the reserved list if you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Depth? If you call armchair legalese depth, sure. Which you can normally get away with on a site like this, but not with someone with actual credentials in the field.
Depth? If you call armchair legalese depth, sure. Which you can normally get away with on a site like this, but not with someone with actual credentials in the field.
And your "actual credentials" are what? A few months of law school? A paralegal? A binding promise is as basic as it gets.
So go sue them right now. They have already broken the promise multiple times. If you have grounds for a suit you would have them right now. We can wait.
So go sue them right now. They have already broken the promise multiple times. If you have grounds for a suit you would have them right now. We can wait.
Which of the cards have been on the RL and lost a considerable amount of value?
So go sue them right now. They have already broken the promise multiple times. If you have grounds for a suit you would have them right now. We can wait.
Which of the cards have been on the RL and lost a considerable amount of value?
I think he was referring to Mox Diamond for instance, which was reprinted. There is also the (near) functional reprint of Fork as Reverberate. I'm not sure if it lost value, but Fork was never good to begin with.
How much value did Mox Diamond lose? Reverberate was printed in M11, which was before their statement in 2011 which added functional reprints to their promise.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
J4L
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
Promises are legally binding contracts under the proper circumstances (like they are here). Please do not talk about material as if it was fact when you are not educated on the matter.
Second, a plaintiff's class action attorney would take this case for 40% commission and do quite well against whatever inhouse (or firm) Hasbro uses.
This is an entirely different situation. The damages here are few dollars per person. Each person can only have the skin once. A class action attorney would have to find hundreds of thousands of players who were ready to sue to make it worth his time.
On the other case, an underground sea is worth 250 according to SCG. I'm a casual and I have three. A collector probably has a large amount. SCG probably has hundreds in reserve. This is a MUCH easier case with a much higher payout.
Just because the company is worth a lot does not mean it will obtain a better lawyer. These companies will have their inhouse lawyers and then obtain secondary counsel from a large firm in the event of a large suit. Plaintiff's lawyers for class actions and will not charge the client directly; they will take 40-60% of the damages awarded. They are very good and know how to win, just look at how much they charge.
The reserve list isn't going anywhere. For prices to drop you will either need a yugioh print run of let's ban a card and print it at common proportions or people will just have to stop paying exorbitant prices for cards.
Food for thought again though;
Wizards gets no income from the secondary market. But what if they could? If only WotC or Hasbro had a factory in, oh, maybe China. They could potentially flood the market with "proxies" for a fraction of the price and gain another source of revenue. Not to say there were a lot of fakes from china recently with a font issue, but that can also come off as a way to test a new market.
-----The Legacy Flowchart-----
Tiny Leaders Overlord
If this "cartel" is against price control of staples for Legacy, and is an obstacle for WotC reprinting cards, and will eventually switch their focus from Legacy to Modern, why would they be any more in favor of price control and allow it there?
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/legacy-type-1-5/661941-list-of-stores-that-support-legacy
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?28892-Compilation-Of-Legacy-Streams
What if these "Official Proxies" were made legal for tournament play IF the player(DCI#) has purchased an "Electronic Copy" of the card.
-----The Legacy Flowchart-----
Tiny Leaders Overlord
When you control a heavy % of the market, you're probably against reprints. They are the "price control" at the moment. Controlling Modern will be harder but no doubt they'll figure it out/learn to gouge different. Atm, legacy prices are directly due to their pent demand.
10th at SCG: Syracuse (2014), GP:NJ Last-Chance Grinder Winner (2014):: Former Legacy Mod
Industry heavy hitters like SCG are on record as being in favor of abolishing the Reserve List, and reprinting cards more in general, though. If you're right that they'll seamlessly move to making the bulk of their money from Modern, with a different strategy that's less dependent on no reprints, it follows that they could do the same with Legacy if there were reprints. People are sometimes skeptical of big retailers' public stances on the topic, and cite devaluation of their large stocks of Legacy staples as a reason, but don't give them credit for recognizing damage to a format because of high prices. If the format dropped of a cliff because of inaccessibility or other factors (which I really don't think is on the horizon), their stock of high-priced non-collectible staples like Jittes, Stoneforge Mystics, Chain Lightnings, white bordered Scrublands, and stacks more would be devalued too, and in a less recoverable manner.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/legacy-type-1-5/661941-list-of-stores-that-support-legacy
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?28892-Compilation-Of-Legacy-Streams
This is nowhere near true. Vintage is pretty much dead, did the P9 drop in value? Nope.
You're comparing the market characteristics of Legacy cards like Revised Scrubland and Umezawa's Jitte with Vintage cards like Moxen and Ancestral Recall? I took pains to be specific and I'd appreciate it if you recognized the difference.
If Legacy were at the status of Vintage (again, not a worry, as tournaments are growing in size and frequency), your analogy would be correct for certain cards. The ones that are actually prized by collectors. In this not-happening scenario, cards like Beta Volcanic Islands, Candelabra of Tawnos, Moat, Gaea's Cradle, and others would absolutely not drop in value in the long term.
Cards which hold value because of being played in Legacy, are not coveted by collectors, and are not widely played in other formats like EDH (or are, but get at least a healthy chunk of their value from Legacy), would absolutely drop. In this truly hypothetical world, even granting that MtG cards are not a truly elastic item and that there is price memory, those Tempest Wastelands are not staying at $100, and those Dark Depths are not staying at $50.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/legacy-type-1-5/661941-list-of-stores-that-support-legacy
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?28892-Compilation-Of-Legacy-Streams
I am tired of the "Magic is a collectible card game" argument. Do you know what Magic isn't referred to as by Wizards? A collectible card game. With very rare exceptions, the only time I ever see anyone refer to Magic as a collectible card game is when people use that as an argument against reprints or keeping the Reserved List or whatever.
More to the point, cards with high costs usually don't have those costs because they're collectible! Do you know why a revised Underground Sea is worth tons? It's not because they're highly collectible (Alpha/Beta ones are, though). It's because they're highly usable. There's a limited quantity of them, and people want to buy them to use. It's why tickets to the Super Bowl are so expensive; there's a huge demand for them, but (relative to the demand) limited supply. People don't buy Super Bowl tickets because they think "oh boy, this is a collectible." They buy Super Bowl tickets because they want to go to the Super Bowl... or, alternatively, to try to scalp them. But even in that case it's selling them to someone who wants to use them.
If a card is legitimately collectible, a mass reprint would have little to no effect on it. How much have the constant reprints of Shakespeare's plays damaged the value of The First Folio, copies of which sell for millions of dollars? How much have the billions (trillions? quadrillions?) of postage stamps harmed the price of Inverted Jennys? Those are actual collectibles. No one thinks to themselves that they want to read a Shakespeare play and then buys a copy of The First Folio, and no one buys an Inverted Jenny stamp just to mail it. For a more Magic pertinent analogy, people often point to the high price of Alpha or Beta copies of Birds of Paradise, despite the fact the card has been in continuous print all the way up to Magic 2012. Those Alpha/Beta copies are collectibles, so Wizards of the Coast could print Birds of Paradise at common and they'd retain value. Thoughtseize, on the other hand, took a big drop in price when it got reprinted, because its value didn't come from collectibility--it came from usability.
A card being on the Reserved List does exactly zero to preserve that card's collectibility. If it's collectible, reprints will have no effect on its price. If a reprint does have a noticeable impact, then that just means the card's value wasn't from collectibility in the first place.
The Reserved List has nothing to do with preserving collectibility. The only thing it actually preserves is value.
You suggestion is to destroy legacy?
That's due to them being the P9, and having that fame to them. Look at strip mine, it's better than wasteland but due to only being allowed in vintage, its price is very low.
Absolutely false. Any legal challenge would get laughed out of court, and justifiably so.
No Change it, Yes the mana base would be strictly worse and afew good cards would no longer be playable but, many of the format staples are NOT on the list, FOW, Waistland, Fetch Lands, brainstorm, Lighting Bolt, Goyf, BOB, Dark Ritual, SCM, ect, the big pieces for great decks still exsist they would only need a touch of tweeking.
The purpose of the ban list is to remove problematic cards that hurt the competitive metagame. Duals don't do that. They aren't bannable. It's a ridiculous suggestion.
No, you would be destroying legacy, you're taking away many of the things that make it great and interesting. No one wants it.
Edit: As well, the diversity of decks would collapse, only a few would be even able to survive that culling.
Forget about just lands, many of the three color decks would be irreparably damaged.
Special thanks to Hakai Studios and SushiOtter for the sig!
Legacy: UR Sneak and Show I UBG Team America I X Metalworker MUD
Modern: UBR Blue Jund I WBX Eldrazi Processors I X Affinity I WRG Nacatl Burn I GR Tron I UBR Grishoalbrand
I've already gone into depth on why this is entirely incorrect. Stop posting your opinions on the legal issues of the reserved list if you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
And your "actual credentials" are what? A few months of law school? A paralegal? A binding promise is as basic as it gets.
Basic definition of a legally binding promise.
Do I need to start citing cases for you? A judge can't laugh something out of court if it has legal bearing. That isn't how things work.
Which of the cards have been on the RL and lost a considerable amount of value?
I think he was referring to Mox Diamond for instance, which was reprinted. There is also the (near) functional reprint of Fork as Reverberate. I'm not sure if it lost value, but Fork was never good to begin with.
RGoblinsR
RWerewolf StompyR
URU/R DelverRU
RGBelcherGR
BThe GateB
GBLoam PoxBG
WGBNic FitBGW
UHigh TideU
UMerfolkU
UFaerieNinjaStillU
WBUAffinityUBW
GSquirrelsG
UWGSliversGWU