I mean alot of decks like Esper whatevers, and Jund or Merfolk are all variations of other format decks with additional good cards. What's a deck that's the poster child of the Legacy format?
There really isn't a single deck that defines Legacy the best. It's not like Mirrodin-era Affinity in Standard, Caw Blade during Zendikar block, or Jund in Modern.
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I wouldn't say there is a single deck that defines legacy but you can talk about distinctive decks in archetypes so I agree with Kurt's choices, with the addition of Maverick for Midrange. I don't know of any other format where knight of the reliquary is playable and having access to such good utility lands for the card to fetch.
I feel that the biggest appeal of Legacy is that so many decks/strategies are viable. The format goes through different top decks, but the constant cycling means there is no 1 Legacy deck.
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Legacy Decks:
- Deadguy Ale WB
- Imperial Bloodwolf R
- Rifter RW
- Rockman WBG
- Burn R
- T.E.S. WUBRG
- Belcher RG
- 10 Land Stompy G
- Zoo (budget) RGW
Cool topic. I'm with evilGod on this one. Legacy is notable for the fact that there are so many decks. That said, what we call RUG Delver or Canadian style Threshold has been around nearly since the format's inception. And it has been at or near the top for nearly the entire nine years. It's hard to not see it as the perennial Legacy deck.
One deck that defines 9 years of adoption, change, curse words, screaming, anger, joy, tension as well as the tears and cheers of builders and players? There is no single deck that can do that. We can call out cards that have had a defining impact, alongside decks that have done the same, but not one single deck is the poster-boy of this format. That's why its so special.
I think a case could be made for storm. If anything I think you may be relegated to the "fair decks" like maverick. Those decks that beat the unfair decks seem more a hallmark of legacy then anything.
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Sneak & Show. Hands down. Whenever I hear Legacy, I always think of Sneak and Show. Even before I got into the format, I thought of that deck.
Ew no. No one that plays legacy actually likes that deck, even the people that play it. It's boring, linear and skillless and its only really been a decent deck since Emrakuls printing.
Canadian Threshold captures what legacy is about and is what I think of when I think of legacy. Its been one of the best decks since its conception and does a good job of defining legacy's efficiency and power level.
I agree mostly with the RUG tempo deck being pretty defining.
Lately Sharless BUG seems to really sum up everything that is legacy to me. Maybe it's because it's what I would play if I decided I wanted another expensive deck.
Yeah i would say Threshold. Not just RUG, but UG Threshold as well. Thesh has been a deck for a long time, and contains so many of Legacy's iconic staples. FoW, Brainstorm, Wasteland, Goyf. Heck even before Goyf people were swinging with Werebear(my favorite flavor text on any card)
Also, and i may be a bit bias, but i would say Storm as well. Legacy is the only format you can play 4 Brainstorm and 4 LED which is just craziness.
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One deck that defines 9 years of adoption, change, curse words, screaming, anger, joy, tension as well as the tears and cheers of builders and players? There is no single deck that can do that. We can call out cards that have had a defining impact, alongside decks that have done the same, but not one single deck is the poster-boy of this format. That's why its so special.
I think the only deck that even comes close to that is Goblins. It definitely doesn't make people wimper or cower, but it's always been a deck (won the first Legacy GP many moons ago), and has been able to stay competitive to the always changing environment.
Canadian Thresh most likely defines Legacy, as you can pretty much do anything you want with it. Play the most grindy, complex, interactive game of Magic you've ever played, or just smash face really quick if you stop them in their tracks.
I guess I'd agree with RUG. I consider Wasteland, Brainstorm and Force of Will to basically be the format's three definitive cards, and it's got all three. Also I think the fact that it often plays off 2-3 lands and runs the most efficient spells in the game is a good barometer of Legacy power levels (i.e. Standard players could look at RUG and understand what's considered efficient in Legacy)
but as others have said, you can't really pick just one deck
Goblins and High Tide are my fav Legacy decks. Haven't played against this Thresh deck you all speak of, but people here (near my house) are tards and can't even make a decent Modern deck. Sad really.
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I feel like the odd man out. I would never consider a tribal deck definitive of any format. Tribal decks exist in every format that they can (elves and goblins being primary examples). While I may agree it is hard to pick decks that define legacy, I think it quite easy to say "tribal" decks don't define formats.
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I think a deck that defines legacy is Cheerios. It represents wide-open possibilities I. A diverse format, which is central to legacy's indentity. What says diverse more than 32 one drop creatures and drawing your entire library?
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Show and Tell decks have been played in Legacy for a few years now and aren't played in any other formats except maybe a few Oath of Druids decks in Vintage.
I think a defining deck must be one that other decks need to take into account in their deck building. Show and Tell is taken into account in almost all decks construction. The same can't be said of metagame decks like RUG Delver who could have trouble against some Modern decks.
I would have to say ANT. Everyone that is new to legacy always hears of "turn 1 combos". This to me is the epitome of legacy. I personally do not like the deck, i respect it and it does seem like the flagship deck of the format.
Goblins and High Tide are my fav Legacy decks. Haven't played against this Thresh deck you all speak of, but people here (near my house) are tards and can't even make a decent Modern deck. Sad really.
Are you aware that RUG Delver = Canadian Thresh? I don't know how you could play legacy and never see a deck that has been in one of the top 3 spots since odyssey block.
Show and Tell decks have been played in Legacy for a few years now and aren't played in any other formats except maybe a few Oath of Druids decks in Vintage.
I think a defining deck must be one that other decks need to take into account in their deck building. Show and Tell is taken into account in almost all decks construction. The same can't be said of metagame decks like RUG Delver who could have trouble against some Modern decks.
Show and tell hasn't been a very good thing in legacy for that long. And doesnt really define what legacy is about. Its true, you do need to take into account S&T when making a deck, but far more so you need to take into account RUG.
RUG makes it so you need to be prepared to have your lands stifled and/or wastelanded while you lose to a 3 power creature as all your spells get countered. If it wasnt for large tempo presence in legacy (in the form of RUG) everyone could just play stupid 3-4 color decks with no basics and however many fetches they want like they do in modern.
RUG would lose to a modern deck often because it is the perfect product of the legacy meta. It has around a 50-50 matchup (or slightly better) against just about every deck in the format.
RUG imo. It speaks legacy the most. It uses the most effective cheap beaters(Goyf/Delver/Mongoose). It utilizes the graveyard(Threshold). Utilizes a land denial package(Wasteland/Stifle), teaches players to respect free counters(Daze/Fow) and utilizes Brainstorm(Best card in format) along with its best friend in fetches, that fetch the best lands(Duals).
Yeah i would say Threshold. Not just RUG, but UG Threshold as well. Thesh has been a deck for a long time, and contains so many of Legacy's iconic staples. FoW, Brainstorm, Wasteland, Goyf. Heck even before Goyf people were swinging with Werebear(my favorite flavor text on any card)
And before werebear, we used Quirion Dryad and it was called "Gro".
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• Must be cheap. Total price tag < $100, preferably < $50. Ideally ~$30. No one card greater than about ~$6
• Format: Modern (makes getting the cards somewhat easier for the play group, and almost all my cards are Modern-legal)
• Must be relatively interesting in 1:1 games. I don't need to win against Splinter Twin, but I should be able to play duels now and then
• Avoid instant-win combos; they only serve to make me target #1, and then the deck is worse than useless because I get killed first, every time
• Must have a funny name!
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Legacy Decks:
- Imperial Bloodwolf R
- Rifter RW
- Rockman WBG
- Burn R
- T.E.S. WUBRG
- Belcher RG
- 10 Land Stompy G
- Zoo (budget) RGW
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Legacy: Lands.
Modern: Lantern.
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Ew no. No one that plays legacy actually likes that deck, even the people that play it. It's boring, linear and skillless and its only really been a decent deck since Emrakuls printing.
Canadian Threshold captures what legacy is about and is what I think of when I think of legacy. Its been one of the best decks since its conception and does a good job of defining legacy's efficiency and power level.
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Lately Sharless BUG seems to really sum up everything that is legacy to me. Maybe it's because it's what I would play if I decided I wanted another expensive deck.
Also, and i may be a bit bias, but i would say Storm as well. Legacy is the only format you can play 4 Brainstorm and 4 LED which is just craziness.
I think the only deck that even comes close to that is Goblins. It definitely doesn't make people wimper or cower, but it's always been a deck (won the first Legacy GP many moons ago), and has been able to stay competitive to the always changing environment.
Canadian Thresh most likely defines Legacy, as you can pretty much do anything you want with it. Play the most grindy, complex, interactive game of Magic you've ever played, or just smash face really quick if you stop them in their tracks.
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Legacy love.
Modern Warp / UR Control / UR Storm / Naya Breachshift / ElectroBalance
Solidarity / Lands / Sneak and Show / Grixis Delver / Reanimator / Belcher / Storm / Dredge
but as others have said, you can't really pick just one deck
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Current decks of choice:
Vintage: Shops.
Legacy: Lands.
Modern: Lantern.
I think a defining deck must be one that other decks need to take into account in their deck building. Show and Tell is taken into account in almost all decks construction. The same can't be said of metagame decks like RUG Delver who could have trouble against some Modern decks.
Are you aware that RUG Delver = Canadian Thresh? I don't know how you could play legacy and never see a deck that has been in one of the top 3 spots since odyssey block.
Show and tell hasn't been a very good thing in legacy for that long. And doesnt really define what legacy is about. Its true, you do need to take into account S&T when making a deck, but far more so you need to take into account RUG.
RUG makes it so you need to be prepared to have your lands stifled and/or wastelanded while you lose to a 3 power creature as all your spells get countered. If it wasnt for large tempo presence in legacy (in the form of RUG) everyone could just play stupid 3-4 color decks with no basics and however many fetches they want like they do in modern.
RUG would lose to a modern deck often because it is the perfect product of the legacy meta. It has around a 50-50 matchup (or slightly better) against just about every deck in the format.
And before werebear, we used Quirion Dryad and it was called "Gro".
• Must be cheap. Total price tag < $100, preferably < $50. Ideally ~$30. No one card greater than about ~$6
• Format: Modern (makes getting the cards somewhat easier for the play group, and almost all my cards are Modern-legal)
• Must be relatively interesting in 1:1 games. I don't need to win against Splinter Twin, but I should be able to play duels now and then
• Avoid instant-win combos; they only serve to make me target #1, and then the deck is worse than useless because I get killed first, every time
• Must have a funny name!