I personally own a Combo Elves deck, and I'm currently borrowing an Affinity deck. I have a lot of experience with my Combo Elves deck, and I've played the Affinity deck for about two weeks now. I'm going this weekend to a convention that's hosting multiple SCG IQs and I'm torn between which deck to play. My CE deck does well normally, unless I run into RUG Delver, but I haven't tried the deck since Cavern of Souls was printed. The Affinity deck seems strong, but also tends to have problems with RUG Delver, but it also has problems with Sneak & Show and soem other match ups that I've played against.
I will try to make this brief. Just found this site and became a member right away (as you can see this is my first post) I just go back into MTG after a few years and just started by buying some Standard pre-mades (spiraling doom and deaths encroach). I dont play in tournys ever just for fun with my friends.
After playing for a while I have decided to get into Legacy (mainly b/c I dont want to keep spending money on Standard play and b/c all my friends play it) but i am having a hard time building a deck. I tried to make a UB Zombie and I am just getting CRUSHED by my buddys Re-animator and his RUW Myr.
I need you guys to help me determine what rout i should go. I dont really know what all the names of the deck types mean (ie Aggro, Maverick etc) I know that I like creatures and I like having an answer to whatever my opponent does. I totally loved my BG Birthing Pod deck. I am not made of money but I am willing to spend some to make it work. Maybe like $200 or so, of course the lower the better
I will try to make this brief. Just found this site and became a member right away (as you can see this is my first post) I just go back into MTG after a few years and just started by buying some Standard pre-mades (spiraling doom and deaths encroach). I dont play in tournys ever just for fun with my friends.
After playing for a while I have decided to get into Legacy (mainly b/c I dont want to keep spending money on Standard play and b/c all my friends play it) but i am having a hard time building a deck. I tried to make a UB Zombie and I am just getting CRUSHED by my buddys Re-animator and his RUW Myr.
I need you guys to help me determine what rout i should go. I dont really know what all the names of the deck types mean (ie Aggro, Maverick etc) I know that I like creatures and I like having an answer to whatever my opponent does. I totally loved my BG Birthing Pod deck. I am not made of money but I am willing to spend some to make it work. Maybe like $200 or so, of course the lower the better
Thanks to everyone in advance!!!
competetive decks for 200 bucks~:
Affinity (artifacts) (very fast tribal aggro)
Burn (40 copies of lightning bolt variant+ 20 mountains)
Dredge (extremely fast graveyard combo)
Elf combo (very fast "summon your entire deck" combo)
pick one, whichever sounds nice :P, none really have "answers to everything" only a control deck really has that, but affinity has an interesting suite of responses for various decks. (including some specific to affinity like whipflare and dispatch), and an answer to prison strategies in Tezzeret, agent of bolas (his -4 ability hits for 20+ often)
note that all the decks i listed tend to be curbstomped by certain cards (EX: leyline of the void is a problem for dredge, Energy flux is difficult for affinity to fight through.)
i find that standard would be an easier entrance into magic though :/, most the decks are less than 250, and those are all top tier
BG Nic Fit type birthing pod variants generally have all kinds of answers to different things. So that way you already have all sorts of cards for the deck
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the issue with budget decks is that you have to find a deck that runs as few staples as possible and for it to be competitive is hard. Burn decks are under 100 but are just bad and never place, combo elves is around 150 i think without cradles and you can go with dredge without LED which should be 150 if im not mistaken. just as advice you cannot go competitive budget decks it just doesnt work.
Help me decide on a new deck please! My current decks are:
Spiral Tide
Cherri0s
Affinity
Burn
Enchantress (in production)
I would like my sixth deck to be a good choice for environments which would be bad for my other decks. It doesn't need to be T1, just as long as it does better than the others in the right meta.
I'd also like a deck which plays significantly differently than my others, so it will add to the diversity of my Legacy experience. Variety is the spice of life!
Lastly, I'm inclined to play a deck which uses Wasteland, as I like the card but none of my decks include it. Am I really playing Legacy if I never activate a Wasteland?
Thanks for any tips. I'm leaning towards Crucible Pox or MUD Stompy, but I'm open to suggestions and eager for commentary.
@stille nacht - Thanks for the advice, I think I like the Affinity the best of those really. Mainly because my buddy gets out Iona from his Re-animator and then I cant cast anything
if Im running a Mono deck. I know a $200 deck is not going to win me any tournaments, I just want to be competitive against my friends ya know. Thanks again!
@Megadeus - BG Nic Fit sounds interesting but most of the decks I found are almost what my Pod deck is now and seem to slow. I tried to look on here for a good one but cant seem to find one. Anymore info on that type of deck? Thanks
@-spooky- - I have already read ALL of your budget stuff haha and it was super helpful. My only issue was most were mono colored and I will get owned haha. Also I like decks that are not as common as elves and burn. Really though I learned A TON from your stuff so thank you so much.
I guess what I need is a deck to be competitive against Re-animator and a fast Affinity deck. We (my friends and I) try not to run specific "hate" in our decks. So I wouldnt just play a bunch of "exile all graveyards" or something, and my friends dont run a bunch of "kill creatures of chosen type" against my zombies. We also dont use sideboards.
I know Im getting specific now and Im sorry guys, I dont want to come off as demanding or something, but you guys are much more knowledgeable than I am and its hard to ask your friends "hey what kind of deck should I build that would crush you?"
Thanks again everyone
Looking to get into legacy, and I really like control. I've got some basic stuff from standard or trades 3x snapcaster, 1x liliana of the veil, 1x each of scars swords, 1x batterskull, 1x jitte, and other less expensive cards
I'm thinking of looking into WB stoneblade or esper stoneblade since I have some of the cards already, but are there any others you'd recommend? (or if you would recommend against these)
Budget is better, although if it is an expensive deck I'll just acquire the cards over a long period of time, because ultimately I want to play a deck I find fun, not just one that is inexpensive. I've also got an Affinity deck already put together, but I prefer the control playstyle and don't want to dump more money (even if it's only $200) into a deck that isn't exactly what I want. Decks with flexible cards would be nice so I can transition with the meta as needed. (Although I'm not sure how often the meta changes significantly in the eternal formats)
Looking to get into legacy, and I really like control. I've got some basic stuff from standard or trades 3x snapcaster, 1x liliana of the veil, 1x each of scars swords, 1x batterskull, 1x jitte, and other less expensive cards
I'm thinking of looking into WB stoneblade or esper stoneblade since I have some of the cards already, but are there any others you'd recommend? (or if you would recommend against these)
Budget is better, although if it is an expensive deck I'll just acquire the cards over a long period of time, because ultimately I want to play a deck I find fun, not just one that is inexpensive. I've also got an Affinity deck already put together, but I prefer the control playstyle and don't want to dump more money (even if it's only $200) into a deck that isn't exactly what I want. Decks with flexible cards would be nice so I can transition with the meta as needed. (Although I'm not sure how often the meta changes significantly in the eternal formats)
with your Equip you could build an Esper Stoneblade list, but you are missing a bulk of the expensive cards (FoW, Duels, Jace)
The meta goes through a cycle of Combo > Aggro > Control, but usually your deck will depend heavily on your local meta as many people play with their pet decks in a local meta
A budget control deck is Mono Black Pox and with Liliana Of The Veil I think the price is about as much as Affinity (Then again my Affinity deck is like $120)
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Perhaps, but to me D&T seems like a mixture of Maverick and Merfolk, while Elves is similar to Goblins except more combo than aggro. Elves is a great deck and I'll never knock it, I mean who could with the results it just logged- I just am not feeling that deck at all. The others are cool too, I just don't want to own them.
Unless it has Living Wish. Wishes redeem any deck in my opinion, their sheer awesomeness overcoming any shortcoming. I would merrily play Elves if they had a solid wish board.
It's white that is the real difficulty. D&T seems not for me. Maybe I want to play Enchantress. Maybe white is the wrong call, and I should play MUD. I do love artifacts.
Can someone tell me which of these decks you would currently recommend? I'm looking to start playing some Legacy on MTGO.
These 3 lists are the ones I'm looking at making, but I'm not familiar with the Legacy meta/tiers so I'd like to start with the strongest one and then focus on it.
I have pretty much every Standard and Modern deck already built with the exception of Storm and Affinity. So all of the cards in these lists I pretty much already have except for the legacy lands, which I have no problem getting once I figure out what to play. I mostly play RUG in Modern but until I learn Legacy better I don't feel like dropping $400 on a playset of FoW's online, other than that I don't really have any budget concerns.
I would definitely recommend zoo. It is the king of all aggro and it's weak matchup against combo can easily be fixed with thalias and ethersworn canonists. The list by Mary Jacobsen isn't a very good one though. First of all, you have no late game. There are no elspeths, sylvan libraries or knights of the reliquary. Pretty much your just going to lose late game. Second of all, why are you playing price of progress. You run 3 BASIC LANDS. Your going to kill yourself before your opponent.
I've been looking around (don't play legacy yet), and I'm a HUGE fan of the 1-land belcher deck. Part of this comes from the fact that money is somewhat of a concern but the deck seems really sweet, so my question is this: As a beginner knowing little about my local meta or the Legacy meta in general, would Belcher be an appropriate choice?
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It is a sweet deck, but I really wouldn't want it to be my only one. You might be in a blue-heavy meta, for one. You will surely be playing a lot of pickup games with the deck, and these aren't that fun against Belcher is another. You might buffalo some Buffalo 'buffalo' into playing against you a few times, but eventually the Buffalo buffalo will know you play Belcher and you won't get to buffalo them.
I was in your shoes a little while ago: enthralled with a certain combo deck (High Tide in my case). I made the deck, won some games, lost some games, and fizzled wretchedly a few times. Eventually only the UW Stoneblade / Miracle Top and RUG players really wanted to throw down with me. The guys were great, we got along well, but when time came to play it's just that no one really wanted to try their hand against Tide.
Then I made Pox, and this was more successful. Many people were willing to play against Pox with all kinds of decks, for hours. The trouble was that now the RUG players were nowhere to be found, and I had to play against Maverick a lot. This was healthy for me, I suppose, because Maverick is as strong as it is common and battles with Pox can go either way.
Then one day I decided to build Goblins: and I haven't looked back. If the other guy is playing with creatures, the game is on. It's wicked fun bashing with the little green men, and with Aether Vial + Matron + Warchief, I have so many options that I often sense a win in there somewhere, whether I succeed in finding it or not.
The sideboard can do totally wrong things too. After dutifully deploying the required combo and graveyard hate, there is still room for ridiculous hate cards like Anarchy, Perish, and Blood Moon. Goblin King and Blood Moon, in my book it doesn't get much cooler than that.
Goblins does not, today, dominate Legacy as it once did, and it was Elves (not Goblins) at the top tables at Ghent. In my world, though, picking this deck was definitely the right decision. The creatures themselves aren't expensive. The manabase will take awhile, but I can be patient with that part.
In short, I advise a tribal deck, or an aggro deck that's interesting to you. They really give a lot of play value for their cost, you can play it with whoever shows up at the shop and you can still have a good shot in any tournament.
I mean tournAament wise build whats you can build and have fun with it. Just know, like he said, that don't expect to play a bunch of pick up games with people when you play belcher. Shuffling my deck just so I can draw my opening hand then proceed to lose is just a waste of time on my part. Building one of the many viable aggro decks is a tad expensive usually due to the mana base, but at the same time, I feel will yield the best rewards. You get to play extremely interactive games and you get to usually have a very flexible sideboard for any type of meta.
Which aggro decks have the least expensive manabases?
Affinity's mana is pretty efficient on the wallet. That deck isn't everyone's cup of tea though. Goblins can start off Ruby Red, adding Wastelands, fetches, Caverns, and whatever duals (just 2, and Badlands, the cheapest one for Rb Goblins). Merfolk can run with just Islands at first, but Mutavault is a pretty big damage output with all those Lords and Wasteland is pretty crucial. Elves has a pretty efficient manabase, whether combo or NO elves: only Gaea's Cradle.
D&T might tip the scales a bit, with Karakas and Ports. I don't remember if it runs Wastelands. I don't see why it wouldn't.
One can always proxy up the manabase for pickup games, which is good for testing cards out before sinking cash into them anyway. Play enough of these and one can often borrow the needed cards when it's tournament time.
Argh, the problem with this thread is that it makes me want to play all sorts of decks I don't have!
That Goblins list with Thalia has me all hot and bothered, in a good way
Goblins is pretty budget, and Thalia seriously wounds the archetype's worst MUs. Plateaus are pretty cheap, and I doubt you'll need more than 2, at most
That Goblins list with Thalia has me all hot and bothered, in a good way
Goblins is pretty budget, and Thalia seriously wounds the archetype's worst MUs. Plateaus are pretty cheap, and I doubt you'll need more than 2, at most
its not just the plateaus you have to worry about though. you have to run a decent amount of fetchalnds too, just to make sure you can get the plateaus when needed. that drives the price up quite a bit.
its not just the plateaus you have to worry about though. you have to run a decent amount of fetchalnds too, just to make sure you can get the plateaus when needed. that drives the price up quite a bit.
But from my experience, they typically only run Mesas and Tarns so it isn't that bad
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Any suggestions on which direction to head?
I will try to make this brief. Just found this site and became a member right away (as you can see this is my first post) I just go back into MTG after a few years and just started by buying some Standard pre-mades (spiraling doom and deaths encroach). I dont play in tournys ever just for fun with my friends.
After playing for a while I have decided to get into Legacy (mainly b/c I dont want to keep spending money on Standard play and b/c all my friends play it) but i am having a hard time building a deck. I tried to make a UB Zombie and I am just getting CRUSHED by my buddys Re-animator and his RUW Myr.
I need you guys to help me determine what rout i should go. I dont really know what all the names of the deck types mean (ie Aggro, Maverick etc) I know that I like creatures and I like having an answer to whatever my opponent does. I totally loved my BG Birthing Pod deck. I am not made of money but I am willing to spend some to make it work. Maybe like $200 or so, of course the lower the better
Thanks to everyone in advance!!!
competetive decks for 200 bucks~:
Affinity (artifacts) (very fast tribal aggro)
Burn (40 copies of lightning bolt variant+ 20 mountains)
Dredge (extremely fast graveyard combo)
Elf combo (very fast "summon your entire deck" combo)
pick one, whichever sounds nice :P, none really have "answers to everything" only a control deck really has that, but affinity has an interesting suite of responses for various decks. (including some specific to affinity like whipflare and dispatch), and an answer to prison strategies in Tezzeret, agent of bolas (his -4 ability hits for 20+ often)
note that all the decks i listed tend to be curbstomped by certain cards (EX: leyline of the void is a problem for dredge, Energy flux is difficult for affinity to fight through.)
i find that standard would be an easier entrance into magic though :/, most the decks are less than 250, and those are all top tier
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the issue with budget decks is that you have to find a deck that runs as few staples as possible and for it to be competitive is hard. Burn decks are under 100 but are just bad and never place, combo elves is around 150 i think without cradles and you can go with dredge without LED which should be 150 if im not mistaken. just as advice you cannot go competitive budget decks it just doesnt work.
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I'd also like a deck which plays significantly differently than my others, so it will add to the diversity of my Legacy experience. Variety is the spice of life!
Lastly, I'm inclined to play a deck which uses Wasteland, as I like the card but none of my decks include it. Am I really playing Legacy if I never activate a Wasteland?
Thanks for any tips. I'm leaning towards Crucible Pox or MUD Stompy, but I'm open to suggestions and eager for commentary.
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if Im running a Mono deck. I know a $200 deck is not going to win me any tournaments, I just want to be competitive against my friends ya know. Thanks again!
@Megadeus - BG Nic Fit sounds interesting but most of the decks I found are almost what my Pod deck is now and seem to slow. I tried to look on here for a good one but cant seem to find one. Anymore info on that type of deck? Thanks
@-spooky- - I have already read ALL of your budget stuff haha and it was super helpful. My only issue was most were mono colored and I will get owned haha. Also I like decks that are not as common as elves and burn. Really though I learned A TON from your stuff so thank you so much.
I guess what I need is a deck to be competitive against Re-animator and a fast Affinity deck. We (my friends and I) try not to run specific "hate" in our decks. So I wouldnt just play a bunch of "exile all graveyards" or something, and my friends dont run a bunch of "kill creatures of chosen type" against my zombies. We also dont use sideboards.
I know Im getting specific now and Im sorry guys, I dont want to come off as demanding or something, but you guys are much more knowledgeable than I am and its hard to ask your friends "hey what kind of deck should I build that would crush you?"
Thanks again everyone
I'm thinking of looking into WB stoneblade or esper stoneblade since I have some of the cards already, but are there any others you'd recommend? (or if you would recommend against these)
Budget is better, although if it is an expensive deck I'll just acquire the cards over a long period of time, because ultimately I want to play a deck I find fun, not just one that is inexpensive. I've also got an Affinity deck already put together, but I prefer the control playstyle and don't want to dump more money (even if it's only $200) into a deck that isn't exactly what I want. Decks with flexible cards would be nice so I can transition with the meta as needed. (Although I'm not sure how often the meta changes significantly in the eternal formats)
with your Equip you could build an Esper Stoneblade list, but you are missing a bulk of the expensive cards (FoW, Duels, Jace)
The meta goes through a cycle of Combo > Aggro > Control, but usually your deck will depend heavily on your local meta as many people play with their pet decks in a local meta
A budget control deck is Mono Black Pox and with Liliana Of The Veil I think the price is about as much as Affinity (Then again my Affinity deck is like $120)
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What about Lizard and Spock?
Would that be Enchantress? Burn? Reanimator? Dredge? Mighty Quinn? Elves?
I'm at a loss. Yet I want a white/green deck to serve as Lizard/Spock. Any ideas?
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Perhaps, but to me D&T seems like a mixture of Maverick and Merfolk, while Elves is similar to Goblins except more combo than aggro. Elves is a great deck and I'll never knock it, I mean who could with the results it just logged- I just am not feeling that deck at all. The others are cool too, I just don't want to own them.
Unless it has Living Wish. Wishes redeem any deck in my opinion, their sheer awesomeness overcoming any shortcoming. I would merrily play Elves if they had a solid wish board.
It's white that is the real difficulty. D&T seems not for me. Maybe I want to play Enchantress. Maybe white is the wrong call, and I should play MUD. I do love artifacts.
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These 3 lists are the ones I'm looking at making, but I'm not familiar with the Legacy meta/tiers so I'd like to start with the strongest one and then focus on it.
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I have pretty much every Standard and Modern deck already built with the exception of Storm and Affinity. So all of the cards in these lists I pretty much already have except for the legacy lands, which I have no problem getting once I figure out what to play. I mostly play RUG in Modern but until I learn Legacy better I don't feel like dropping $400 on a playset of FoW's online, other than that I don't really have any budget concerns.
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Zoo have had a rough time lately and is rather bad versus the sneak and show decks.
The zombies are cool and I really like the deck however people are ready for stuff like reanimator right now so it might not be the time.
Deadguy ale on the other hand is playing Thalia maindeck and that is where you want to be right now, if you are not playing islands at least.
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I was in your shoes a little while ago: enthralled with a certain combo deck (High Tide in my case). I made the deck, won some games, lost some games, and fizzled wretchedly a few times. Eventually only the UW Stoneblade / Miracle Top and RUG players really wanted to throw down with me. The guys were great, we got along well, but when time came to play it's just that no one really wanted to try their hand against Tide.
Then I made Pox, and this was more successful. Many people were willing to play against Pox with all kinds of decks, for hours. The trouble was that now the RUG players were nowhere to be found, and I had to play against Maverick a lot. This was healthy for me, I suppose, because Maverick is as strong as it is common and battles with Pox can go either way.
Then one day I decided to build Goblins: and I haven't looked back. If the other guy is playing with creatures, the game is on. It's wicked fun bashing with the little green men, and with Aether Vial + Matron + Warchief, I have so many options that I often sense a win in there somewhere, whether I succeed in finding it or not.
The sideboard can do totally wrong things too. After dutifully deploying the required combo and graveyard hate, there is still room for ridiculous hate cards like Anarchy, Perish, and Blood Moon. Goblin King and Blood Moon, in my book it doesn't get much cooler than that.
Goblins does not, today, dominate Legacy as it once did, and it was Elves (not Goblins) at the top tables at Ghent. In my world, though, picking this deck was definitely the right decision. The creatures themselves aren't expensive. The manabase will take awhile, but I can be patient with that part.
In short, I advise a tribal deck, or an aggro deck that's interesting to you. They really give a lot of play value for their cost, you can play it with whoever shows up at the shop and you can still have a good shot in any tournament.
It worked for me, anyway.
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Total number of matches: 252
Win percentage ignoring draws: 58.649789
Win percentage including draws: 55.158730
Affinity's mana is pretty efficient on the wallet. That deck isn't everyone's cup of tea though. Goblins can start off Ruby Red, adding Wastelands, fetches, Caverns, and whatever duals (just 2, and Badlands, the cheapest one for Rb Goblins). Merfolk can run with just Islands at first, but Mutavault is a pretty big damage output with all those Lords and Wasteland is pretty crucial. Elves has a pretty efficient manabase, whether combo or NO elves: only Gaea's Cradle.
D&T might tip the scales a bit, with Karakas and Ports. I don't remember if it runs Wastelands. I don't see why it wouldn't.
One can always proxy up the manabase for pickup games, which is good for testing cards out before sinking cash into them anyway. Play enough of these and one can often borrow the needed cards when it's tournament time.
Argh, the problem with this thread is that it makes me want to play all sorts of decks I don't have!
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aggro elves is always a strong option. A large amount of lords combined with mana acceleration for speed and built in overruns is pretty good.
if you consider burn an aggro deck then that's always an option.
white weenie decks that are more aggro based, like the token decks that are popping up every so often are decent options.
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Goblins is pretty budget, and Thalia seriously wounds the archetype's worst MUs. Plateaus are pretty cheap, and I doubt you'll need more than 2, at most
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its not just the plateaus you have to worry about though. you have to run a decent amount of fetchalnds too, just to make sure you can get the plateaus when needed. that drives the price up quite a bit.
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But from my experience, they typically only run Mesas and Tarns so it isn't that bad