I've playtested pretty much all of them: Lands, 4C Pile, Delver, Leovold, Maverick, Storm, D&T, Reanimator, and 12-Post. I play Eldrazi Tron and Madcap Moon in Modern and played Ramunap Red in Standard, so my playstyle is varied. I'm a big fan of midrange in general, and I really appreciate decks that reward tight play.
I've playtested pretty much all of them: Lands, 4C Pile, Delver, Leovold, Maverick, Storm, D&T, Reanimator, and 12-Post. I play Eldrazi Tron and Madcap Moon in Modern and played Ramunap Red in Standard, so my playstyle is varied. I'm a big fan of midrange in general, and I really appreciate decks that reward tight play.
Well, if you've playtested everything you should have a pretty good idea. If you want decks that reward tight play, I'd steer away from Reanimator, 12-Post, and the like. Any decks with lots of interaction would probably be to your liking.
The first choice is whether to play blue or not. On the blue side, midrange decks with lots of play to them are 4C Pile (probably out of your budget unless you want to play shocks) and Stoneblade decks (UW is more controlling; Bant/Esper/Jeskai are a bit more midrange). Of the Delver decks, Grixis and BUG lean a bit more midrange, and both are very solid options.
For non-blue decks, Maverick is probably a good fit. The GSZ package and hatebears give it good play against the field. Lands rewards tight play, but has a pretty unique playstyle. Without a Tabernacle, it's probably close to budget, but much worse against creature decks. It's also probably easier to leverage Modern/Standard experience with Maverick than Lands.
It sounds like you've tested a fair number of decks, so I'd probably give a Stoneblade deck and Maverick a try, and then you should be able to come to a decision.
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I suppose you could play it in RW Death and Taxes, though you already have access to Recruiter of the Guard if you want it. And some Aluren lists have splashed white for Recruiter of the Guard instead of red for Imperial Recruiter. But I think its price was much more a function of scarcity than actually being used very much.
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Hello there. I'm totally new to legacy, and I'd absolutely love to build a deck. I have some absurdly specific criteria, so if someone can even point me to a deck that meets a few that would be sweet.
I have ~$2000 to spend.
I really like pimp. If it's possible to pimp the deck (i.e. english foils of cards young enough to wear foil clothes. Not japanese artist signed test proofs from Richard Garfield's personal collection with an alter personally done by Bobby Ross himself).
I very much enjoy combo in modern. Specifically combo that revolves around the interactions of a few specific cards. I don't mind storm-esque decks, but specifically not legacy storm as it is.
I do enjoy skill intensive decks, and I will put the time in to both learn legacy and my deck frontwards, backwards, upside down, and rightside up.
I am partially looking for a investment, so reserved list cards are a plus as opposed to cards that can (and probably will) be reprinted in a masters set
My favorite card is Fevered Visions, and it would be a big plus (though far from mandatory) to play a deck with that card.
I am a blue mage at heart.
I already own most modern staples for non jund decks.
I am looking to play vintage someday, so if it could more or less convert to vintage (minus the 15 one of's I'd be locked into playing) that would be a plus.
I am not opposed to my opponents hating me.
It does need to be competitive.
I have a special thing for toolbox cards. Glittering wish is all we have for sideboard dexterity in modern, and I do love me some glittering wish.
Well I think I have the deck for you. Parfait. It's possible to pimp it. Rip/helm gives you a combo win as does charbelcher. It's very skill intensive especially due to the toolbox nature attached to 4 enlightened tutors that I champion. It's easy to port to vintage as you really just need SoLoMox to do it. It isn't blue, but you'll draw more cards then blue can.
So yeah. Parfait should check all your boxes.
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Just read your whole primer. You make a great sales pitch, but the deck looks a little repetitive. Also looks vulnerable to hand disruption and any artifact disruption. 50% matchup against the whole field seems ambitious. Very Glass Canony IMO. Does look cool when it works.
Hello there. I'm totally new to legacy, and I'd absolutely love to build a deck. I have some absurdly specific criteria, so if someone can even point me to a deck that meets a few that would be sweet.
That's a lot of criteria...
I would have said Storm (Vintage-convertible, some unique RL cards and dual lands, the TES version plays Burning Wish, etc. -- really seems like it's the best fit for your criteria) but you're already opposed to that.
Omni-Tell might be worth a look. It has a Cunning Wish package / win condition, is more of an A+B combo deck, etc. It doesn't have many RL cards, though, and as far as I know doesn't really convert to Vintage. Here's a recent list + video from Andrea Mengucci (I haven't watched it; not sure how informative it is): https://www.channelfireball.com/videos/channel-mengucci-legacy-omnitell-4/
Sneak and Show generally doesn't run the Cunning Wish package, but I think it could if it wanted to, you'd acquire some Volcs to play it, which seems like it might be a plus for you.
UWx Standstill could be another option. It's not a combo deck, but it certainly is skill intensive, has lots of play to it, and allows you to play a lot of counterspells. Standstill is perhaps a little bit like Fevered Visions...? (Ok, perhaps a stretch...) Vintage Landstill is a viable deck, I think. Again, not a lot of RL cards, though...
LED Dredge could be another option. You have LEDs for RL cards and Vintage Dredge is a few Bazaars away. But it's Dredge, so I'm not sure I would call it skill-intensive or a deck that you can really invest that much into. (Fair warning, I may just be biased on this point...)
Aluren is a creature-based combo deck -- more midrange + combo than pure combo. The namesake card is on the RL, and it usually plays Brainstorm and (in the sideboard) Force of Will, though I wouldn't really call it a 'blue' deck per se.
Anyway, I don't know if you're going to find anything that checks all of your boxes. Those are some ideas, at least.
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Omnitell seems great! Very much my style! I found some old lists that use progenitus that look fun, not as good, but more fun.
UW Standstill seems like one of the best options for me though. Plus i can get standstills in foil. I'm going to actually test this one out on untap.in
It took me a few minuted to figure out Cavern Harpy was a combo card for Aluren. Fun looking deck, but the only creatures I play any more are Snapcasters and Emrakuls.
I've played it for years. It's not as weak to disruption as you think. It's only susceptible to artifact disruption if you play a helm and don't use it right away. 50% is not that ambitious. The tools are there but shot happens. Sometimes you lose to nut draws or don't see the right stuff. There is a random factor to the game after all.
The cool factor is when you helm game 1 and then creature beat down or belcher game 2.
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Hey, so I'm a mainly modern player looking into getting into legacy. I played in the standard portion of GP Seattle and got sort of introduced to legacy and it seems like a format that I should learn. The decks I play and enjoy in modern are Grixis death's shadow (my main and favorite deck), Jeskai control, Jeskai tempo, UW control and RW burn. I find all of these decks fun to play, but I don't like UW control and burn as much as grixis death's shadow and jeskai. I haven't proxied that many legacy decks simply due to time constraints, but I have tried UR delver, show and tell and sultai control. UR delver and sultai control were fun to play, show and tell wasn't as interesting for me. I enjoy blue tempo, midrange and control decks in general, with a preference towards tempo and midrange.
My budget is basically the cards I already own plus $230ish, but I have around $1000 in cards that I'm not playing that I can sell or trade. So I guess my budget is more like $1230. I also have a fairly large collection that can go to this. https://deckbox.org/sets/1734570?s=i&o=d
(Basically the modern decks I listed earlier, plus 4 force of wills, 1 volcanic island and 1 tundra)
I will be playing in competitive metas and the deck having the capability to do really well matters to me.
So the decks that I am considering building into are UR delver, Jeskai/UW stone blade, miracles, legacy death's shadow, grixis delver and sultai control.
Grixis delver and sultai control both would be a stretch for my budget and I'd definitely have to make some cuts to the standard lists. I would also have to go through a lot of effort of selling my current unused cards to build either one. If anyone has any suggestions on cuts to make to those two decks in order to make them cheaper that would be helpful. I'm also slightly concerned with building into either of those decks with all the talk of banning deathrite shaman, but due to most of the cards being format staples i'd probably be fine with just taking the risk. I'd rather play a deck I enjoy and win with that also has the possibility of being banned, than a deck I either dont enjoy, or dont do well with.
Miracles looks extremely complicated and I'm intimidated by the full-out control playstyle, despite having some experience with UW control in modern(much simpler than miracles). I am much more confident in my ability to play grixis delver or UR delver as I have put so much time into playing and trying to master grixis death's shadow in modern.
I should probably just keep on proxying and trying different things, but I was kind of curious if any of you people had suggestions on what I should do next here.
Honestly I'd say just start by shifting your deaths shadow to legacy. It will help give you a feel for the format and won't hurt your budget. Upgrade where you can naturally.
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My main concern with building sultai/grixis shadow in legacy is if its at all a good deck in legacy right now. Everyone that I've talked to that has actually played it says that it was average to very bad when they tried it.
Edit: after thinking about it, what I'm hung up on is basically, is grixis delver worth it? If I know there's multiple legacy decks I'd like to play, is it worth it to build grixis delver over let's say, miracles, stoneblade or UR delver?
Once you have Force of Will, Fetchlands, and some other modern staples, the majority of the cost is in dual lands.
One benefit to building Stoneblade and/or UR delver is that it gives you a UWR mana base that you can play UR Delver, Jeskai Delver, UW/UWr Stoneblade, and Miracles. Grixis Delver's manabase overlaps with Storm and 4C Control (and can also use UR Delver as a starting point). Sultai overlaps less, because (if I remember correctly) it usually wants access to Bayou, which Storm sometimes uses but otherwise isn't very common in the fair blue decks. (Note, of course, that Storm needs LEDs, which have just recently shot up in price and are now more in line with dual lands than Tarmogoyfs.)
If I were in your position, I'd go for the Jeskai shell. It avoids any potential fallout from a DRS ban (obviously not this time around, but it wouldn't surprise me if it happened later this year), gives you the manabase for multiple decks with different playstyles, and is a little easier on the wallet than buying multiple Underground Seas. But I'm also a little biased as I really like the more controlling Jace decks (Miracles, Stoneblade), so if you're looking to be more aggressive, UR Delver / Grixis Delver / Storm is also a good route.
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Hi there, I just posted this on /r/Legacy, but thought to ask here as well, since MTGSalvation has been always a fantastic source of information for my Modern play.
Our Modern play-group is looking to -very- slowly move over to Legacy, and I could really use some advice. If this kind of post is not allowed here, please accept my apologies and feel free to remove it.
First some background in case you are interested in where we are coming from and where we would like to go: we all started to play a long, long time ago (about when Tempest was released), then life got in our way, we had to drop the game, sold our old cards, you get the drill.
Fast forward a few years, we picked back up the game again, and after some time we have now all of the Modern staples.
Even though we are all grown up adults with a full-time job, we just cannot (and by cannot, I really mean cannot) afford to buy into Legacy just like that. We live in Argentina were Magic is already a very, very expensive hobby so buying, say, dual lands is an absurd amount of money (to put things in perspective, the average monthly income around here is about U$S 600~750, and that barely covers rent, food, bills, and whatnot).
One important thing to consider is that where we live there is absolutely no Legacy scene. None whatsoever. So, this is just purely for playing between us.
Now, the question is: if we can already build any Modern deck, how should we go about transitioning to Legacy, provided that we cannot buy Legacy staples all at once, and we want to keep it proxie free (casual play)?
If I had the money I would totally play 4C Loam (as I've been trying to do on Modern for a while), but I would have to sell my car, my guitar, and maybe two kidneys for that. But if I have to guess, probably the easiest and cheapest transitions are D&T, Death Shadow, and Burn.
I would really appreciate any suggestions and comments you may have. Thanks a bunch and sorry for my English!
TL;DR: we are on a budget, but we can acquire the cards over time, no need to be competitive since there are no tournaments around, using our Modern decks to transition to Legacy, proxie free.
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If you're simply playing in a small group then just proxy cards. If a larger scene begins to grow then you can start your investing and have a tournament scene.
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Hi. I've been playing magic for the past 5 years, I always played modern and a bit of T2.
A friend of mine that always played legacy was talking to me to join him. Last year i started buying a miracle deck and it was baned, so i went back to just modern.
Now i'm willing to try to build a legacy deck again.
Budge: I have almos all modern stapples, and almost al unexpensive legacy staples. I'm missing dual lands/LED both of those i can get with a friend for playing wile i buy it so the money and the cards aren't a big problem.
What do you like to play: I love control decks, i played them for a long time in Modern, they werent that good after the golden times of UWR (are they coming back??) i had to change them to splinter twin and i loved the deck. After the twin ban i went to infect. After the probe ban i tryed almos all decks in modern and the one that i'm liking to play and playing is Storm.
I love to use the stack (from Uxx decks and infect)
I like the idea of having multiple routes and the felling of having an option/decisions that can inpact in the outcome of the game.
After Research some deck the decks that took my atention were:
Czech Pile (4c control) = I believe the control deck to go for, lot of options and good matches against a lot of the field
ANT = i've been playing storm for a long time in modern and i got a love for that deck,I love the idea of indentify the time to combo out and the sequence to do so.
TES = Its the othere storm deck that i was looking for, but i prefer consistence and thhe card selection given from the cantrips over the raw power and the option to win faster.
Miracles = the second control deck that i was thinking, the only reasons for this beeing in the list is: I hate losing to blood moon and i love casting it. I have almost all the deck.
I would like some advises and ideas of what deck to chose (mainly betwen Ant / 4c )
Im thinking of getting into solidarity (not solidarity the card, but solidarity) or some other instant-speed combo deck. i like the idea of killing my opponent in response to them cracking a fetch.
does anyone here have any insight as to how playable it is (my assumption is completely unplayable due to anti-combo tech against TES et al)?
but either way, i feel like it's somehow got potential just because its possible to just 'go over' whatever deck it's up against. does that sound about right? and if solidarity isn't playable at all, are there any combo decks that act at instant speed that i can look into?
LED is falling in price. The $250 days appear to be over. Would now be a time to strike on picking up a set or wait another 3-6 months? Consumer demand has peaked, it appears, so the speculators aren't driving up prices on a lot of RL cards to the point where I'd like to grab something to let me buy into the sort of deck that is overall cheap except for 1-2 RL cards needed outside of really crazy ***** like tabernacle.
Hello! I figured this would be a good thread to spark a discussion (or get told to get gud). I have wanted to build a Legacy deck for when the LGS holds events for the format. I have no intention of hitting a GP or what have you but I am aware that Legacy is still a steep investment for a deck. Usually.
I recently went looking for low budget decks and found a list for U/G Madness. It didn't look terrible with the recommended lands making the bulk of the advertised price. Before I hit the budget forum, I wanted to see what the people who actually play this format think. I tried to find any previous threads on this deck strategy and the most recent was four years old...
ok, i hate to ask this question, but i can't pick a deck. currently, i'm playing TES Storm for legacy. not enjoying myself, so it's time to move on. i'm stuck between Lands and Sneak Show. i've successfully piloted both in Comp level events (sneak mostly in local Comp 2ks and Lands to a 32 place finish in an SCG Classic and multiple top 8's in the same local 2ks), so i'm competent with both decks and play styles. just can't make the final decision. Thoughts or opinions would be awesome. thanks!
LED is falling in price. The $250 days appear to be over. Would now be a time to strike on picking up a set or wait another 3-6 months? Consumer demand has peaked, it appears, so the speculators aren't driving up prices on a lot of RL cards to the point where I'd like to grab something to let me buy into the sort of deck that is overall cheap except for 1-2 RL cards needed outside of really crazy ***** like tabernacle.
LED's have settled about where the should be. i don't expect them to drop much further. just my opinion, but that's also why i'm moving mine now (out of store inventory, lol).
New to Legacy, I really like the idea of the lands decks. I love tutoring, love Life from the Loam, love 20/20 Indestructible creatures etc. Thing is I don't know which one to try out. 4color Loam, UB Depths, or Lands?
New to Legacy, I really like the idea of the lands decks. I love tutoring, love Life from the Loam, love 20/20 Indestructible creatures etc. Thing is I don't know which one to try out. 4color Loam, UB Depths, or Lands?
I'm guessing you mean GB Depths? Here's how I'd characterize the decks:
Lands: Control/Prison/Combo. One of the main tutor effects (Gamble) is often used to start an engine (with Life from the Loam) rather than actually tutor a card. Has the most 'staying power' thanks to Life from the Loam, Punishing Fire, Wasteland/Ghost Quarter locks, and recurring the Marit Lage combo. Tabernacle provides good board control against creatures. Generally slower than GB Depths. Gameplan: Engine -> Control -> Combo.
GB Depths: Combo. Has the fastest wins and is most focused on executing the combo itself. Uses discard to proactively push through the victory. Cards like Sylvan Scrying and Into the North are true tutor effects. Has a solid midrange plan post-sideboard, if desired. Gameplan: Disrupt -> Combo.
4C Loam: Midrange. Focuses on attacking on multiple axes: value creatures, planeswalkers, permanent disruption (Chalice of the Void), and combo (Punishing Fire; Dark Depths). Because of this, it is also the least consistent. Sometimes the draws line up well and you are unstoppable. Sometimes you draw the wrong cards a the wrong times and fail to do anything meaningful. Gameplan (ideal): T1 Chalice -> T2 ??? -> T3 ??? -> Win. Gameplan (in reality): ????.
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I think Lands is one of the most unique, interesting decks in all of Magic, and really like it for what a beautiful, strange machine it is. That said, I think a lot of its strength 2+ years ago was in the fact that people weren't as familiar with it. Now most decks have a plan for Lands, people are more familiar playing against it, etc. Not to mention that Tabernacle is a very important (though technically optional) piece. If you proxy up the deck and just love it, I'd go for it, but be aware that it's probably not as strong as it once was.
4C Loam is a deck that can be very, very strong in the right matchup (for example, if Miracles doesn't draw the right answers quickly, 4C Loam can just run away with many games on the back of Chalice + Liliana). However, it generally plays a bit too 'fair' for a deck that is sacrificing all 1-CMC cards -- it is not playing Ancient Tomb to power out Chalice (instead relying on Mox Diamond), it doesn't combo quickly enough, it doesn't disrupt enough, etc. Again, if you try it and love it, go for it. You can certainly succeed with it, but on a theoretical level, I don't think it's a well-made deck.
GB Depths is, in my opinion, one of the more underplayed decks in Legacy. It's reasonably difficult to interact with on its own (especially now, as Wasteland seems somewhat less prevalent) since it is a land-based combo, and it plays discard to ensure it can push through the combo when needed. Its tutor effects are strong, and it has a fair amount of flexibility in adopting a more midrange approach (either in the main deck or after sideboarding) with Dark Confidant, Tireless Tracker, etc., and it has access to strong B and GB cards like Liliana, Abrupt Decay, etc. I think this is the most competitive of the Marit Lage decks at the moment.
But given the expense of all of these decks, finding one that suits your playstyle is probably the most important factor. Proxy and test them all out.
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New to legacy, I loved Twin in Modern. I am on a budget but I have 1 of each dual land to sell minus however many of each I need, so that's not too big. Ive also got a workshop to sell so thats fun. I want to be a controllish tempo deck that can just win out of nowhere.
Well, if you've playtested everything you should have a pretty good idea. If you want decks that reward tight play, I'd steer away from Reanimator, 12-Post, and the like. Any decks with lots of interaction would probably be to your liking.
The first choice is whether to play blue or not. On the blue side, midrange decks with lots of play to them are 4C Pile (probably out of your budget unless you want to play shocks) and Stoneblade decks (UW is more controlling; Bant/Esper/Jeskai are a bit more midrange). Of the Delver decks, Grixis and BUG lean a bit more midrange, and both are very solid options.
For non-blue decks, Maverick is probably a good fit. The GSZ package and hatebears give it good play against the field. Lands rewards tight play, but has a pretty unique playstyle. Without a Tabernacle, it's probably close to budget, but much worse against creature decks. It's also probably easier to leverage Modern/Standard experience with Maverick than Lands.
It sounds like you've tested a fair number of decks, so I'd probably give a Stoneblade deck and Maverick a try, and then you should be able to come to a decision.
Commander: UBR Jeleva/Kess Storm, UR Mizzix Combo, U Rayne/Azami Wizards
An appallingly dull fellow, unimaginative, timid, lacking in initiative, spineless, easily dominated, no sense of humour, tedious company, and irrepressibly drab and awful.
Commander: UBR Jeleva/Kess Storm, UR Mizzix Combo, U Rayne/Azami Wizards
An appallingly dull fellow, unimaginative, timid, lacking in initiative, spineless, easily dominated, no sense of humour, tedious company, and irrepressibly drab and awful.
I have ~$2000 to spend.
I really like pimp. If it's possible to pimp the deck (i.e. english foils of cards young enough to wear foil clothes. Not japanese artist signed test proofs from Richard Garfield's personal collection with an alter personally done by Bobby Ross himself).
I very much enjoy combo in modern. Specifically combo that revolves around the interactions of a few specific cards. I don't mind storm-esque decks, but specifically not legacy storm as it is.
I do enjoy skill intensive decks, and I will put the time in to both learn legacy and my deck frontwards, backwards, upside down, and rightside up.
I am partially looking for a investment, so reserved list cards are a plus as opposed to cards that can (and probably will) be reprinted in a masters set
My favorite card is Fevered Visions, and it would be a big plus (though far from mandatory) to play a deck with that card.
I am a blue mage at heart.
I already own most modern staples for non jund decks.
I am looking to play vintage someday, so if it could more or less convert to vintage (minus the 15 one of's I'd be locked into playing) that would be a plus.
I am not opposed to my opponents hating me.
It does need to be competitive.
I have a special thing for toolbox cards. Glittering wish is all we have for sideboard dexterity in modern, and I do love me some glittering wish.
Thanks!
So yeah. Parfait should check all your boxes.
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That's a lot of criteria...
I would have said Storm (Vintage-convertible, some unique RL cards and dual lands, the TES version plays Burning Wish, etc. -- really seems like it's the best fit for your criteria) but you're already opposed to that.
Omni-Tell might be worth a look. It has a Cunning Wish package / win condition, is more of an A+B combo deck, etc. It doesn't have many RL cards, though, and as far as I know doesn't really convert to Vintage. Here's a recent list + video from Andrea Mengucci (I haven't watched it; not sure how informative it is): https://www.channelfireball.com/videos/channel-mengucci-legacy-omnitell-4/
Sneak and Show generally doesn't run the Cunning Wish package, but I think it could if it wanted to, you'd acquire some Volcs to play it, which seems like it might be a plus for you.
UWx Standstill could be another option. It's not a combo deck, but it certainly is skill intensive, has lots of play to it, and allows you to play a lot of counterspells. Standstill is perhaps a little bit like Fevered Visions...? (Ok, perhaps a stretch...) Vintage Landstill is a viable deck, I think. Again, not a lot of RL cards, though...
LED Dredge could be another option. You have LEDs for RL cards and Vintage Dredge is a few Bazaars away. But it's Dredge, so I'm not sure I would call it skill-intensive or a deck that you can really invest that much into. (Fair warning, I may just be biased on this point...)
Aluren is a creature-based combo deck -- more midrange + combo than pure combo. The namesake card is on the RL, and it usually plays Brainstorm and (in the sideboard) Force of Will, though I wouldn't really call it a 'blue' deck per se.
Anyway, I don't know if you're going to find anything that checks all of your boxes. Those are some ideas, at least.
Commander: UBR Jeleva/Kess Storm, UR Mizzix Combo, U Rayne/Azami Wizards
An appallingly dull fellow, unimaginative, timid, lacking in initiative, spineless, easily dominated, no sense of humour, tedious company, and irrepressibly drab and awful.
Omnitell seems great! Very much my style! I found some old lists that use progenitus that look fun, not as good, but more fun.
UW Standstill seems like one of the best options for me though. Plus i can get standstills in foil. I'm going to actually test this one out on untap.in
It took me a few minuted to figure out Cavern Harpy was a combo card for Aluren. Fun looking deck, but the only creatures I play any more are Snapcasters and Emrakuls.
Thank you so much!
The cool factor is when you helm game 1 and then creature beat down or belcher game 2.
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My budget is basically the cards I already own plus $230ish, but I have around $1000 in cards that I'm not playing that I can sell or trade. So I guess my budget is more like $1230. I also have a fairly large collection that can go to this. https://deckbox.org/sets/1734570?s=i&o=d
(Basically the modern decks I listed earlier, plus 4 force of wills, 1 volcanic island and 1 tundra)
I will be playing in competitive metas and the deck having the capability to do really well matters to me.
So the decks that I am considering building into are UR delver, Jeskai/UW stone blade, miracles, legacy death's shadow, grixis delver and sultai control.
Grixis delver and sultai control both would be a stretch for my budget and I'd definitely have to make some cuts to the standard lists. I would also have to go through a lot of effort of selling my current unused cards to build either one. If anyone has any suggestions on cuts to make to those two decks in order to make them cheaper that would be helpful. I'm also slightly concerned with building into either of those decks with all the talk of banning deathrite shaman, but due to most of the cards being format staples i'd probably be fine with just taking the risk. I'd rather play a deck I enjoy and win with that also has the possibility of being banned, than a deck I either dont enjoy, or dont do well with.
Miracles looks extremely complicated and I'm intimidated by the full-out control playstyle, despite having some experience with UW control in modern(much simpler than miracles). I am much more confident in my ability to play grixis delver or UR delver as I have put so much time into playing and trying to master grixis death's shadow in modern.
I should probably just keep on proxying and trying different things, but I was kind of curious if any of you people had suggestions on what I should do next here.
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Edit: after thinking about it, what I'm hung up on is basically, is grixis delver worth it? If I know there's multiple legacy decks I'd like to play, is it worth it to build grixis delver over let's say, miracles, stoneblade or UR delver?
One benefit to building Stoneblade and/or UR delver is that it gives you a UWR mana base that you can play UR Delver, Jeskai Delver, UW/UWr Stoneblade, and Miracles. Grixis Delver's manabase overlaps with Storm and 4C Control (and can also use UR Delver as a starting point). Sultai overlaps less, because (if I remember correctly) it usually wants access to Bayou, which Storm sometimes uses but otherwise isn't very common in the fair blue decks. (Note, of course, that Storm needs LEDs, which have just recently shot up in price and are now more in line with dual lands than Tarmogoyfs.)
If I were in your position, I'd go for the Jeskai shell. It avoids any potential fallout from a DRS ban (obviously not this time around, but it wouldn't surprise me if it happened later this year), gives you the manabase for multiple decks with different playstyles, and is a little easier on the wallet than buying multiple Underground Seas. But I'm also a little biased as I really like the more controlling Jace decks (Miracles, Stoneblade), so if you're looking to be more aggressive, UR Delver / Grixis Delver / Storm is also a good route.
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Our Modern play-group is looking to -very- slowly move over to Legacy, and I could really use some advice. If this kind of post is not allowed here, please accept my apologies and feel free to remove it.
First some background in case you are interested in where we are coming from and where we would like to go: we all started to play a long, long time ago (about when Tempest was released), then life got in our way, we had to drop the game, sold our old cards, you get the drill.
Fast forward a few years, we picked back up the game again, and after some time we have now all of the Modern staples.
Even though we are all grown up adults with a full-time job, we just cannot (and by cannot, I really mean cannot) afford to buy into Legacy just like that. We live in Argentina were Magic is already a very, very expensive hobby so buying, say, dual lands is an absurd amount of money (to put things in perspective, the average monthly income around here is about U$S 600~750, and that barely covers rent, food, bills, and whatnot).
One important thing to consider is that where we live there is absolutely no Legacy scene. None whatsoever. So, this is just purely for playing between us.
Now, the question is: if we can already build any Modern deck, how should we go about transitioning to Legacy, provided that we cannot buy Legacy staples all at once, and we want to keep it proxie free (casual play)?
If I had the money I would totally play 4C Loam (as I've been trying to do on Modern for a while), but I would have to sell my car, my guitar, and maybe two kidneys for that. But if I have to guess, probably the easiest and cheapest transitions are D&T, Death Shadow, and Burn.
I would really appreciate any suggestions and comments you may have. Thanks a bunch and sorry for my English!
TL;DR: we are on a budget, but we can acquire the cards over time, no need to be competitive since there are no tournaments around, using our Modern decks to transition to Legacy, proxie free.
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A friend of mine that always played legacy was talking to me to join him. Last year i started buying a miracle deck and it was baned, so i went back to just modern.
Now i'm willing to try to build a legacy deck again.
Budge: I have almos all modern stapples, and almost al unexpensive legacy staples. I'm missing dual lands/LED both of those i can get with a friend for playing wile i buy it so the money and the cards aren't a big problem.
What do you like to play: I love control decks, i played them for a long time in Modern, they werent that good after the golden times of UWR (are they coming back??) i had to change them to splinter twin and i loved the deck. After the twin ban i went to infect. After the probe ban i tryed almos all decks in modern and the one that i'm liking to play and playing is Storm.
I love to use the stack (from Uxx decks and infect)
I like the idea of having multiple routes and the felling of having an option/decisions that can inpact in the outcome of the game.
After Research some deck the decks that took my atention were:
Czech Pile (4c control) = I believe the control deck to go for, lot of options and good matches against a lot of the field
ANT = i've been playing storm for a long time in modern and i got a love for that deck,I love the idea of indentify the time to combo out and the sequence to do so.
TES = Its the othere storm deck that i was looking for, but i prefer consistence and thhe card selection given from the cantrips over the raw power and the option to win faster.
Miracles = the second control deck that i was thinking, the only reasons for this beeing in the list is: I hate losing to blood moon and i love casting it. I have almost all the deck.
I would like some advises and ideas of what deck to chose (mainly betwen Ant / 4c )
does anyone here have any insight as to how playable it is (my assumption is completely unplayable due to anti-combo tech against TES et al)?
but either way, i feel like it's somehow got potential just because its possible to just 'go over' whatever deck it's up against. does that sound about right? and if solidarity isn't playable at all, are there any combo decks that act at instant speed that i can look into?
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LED is falling in price. The $250 days appear to be over. Would now be a time to strike on picking up a set or wait another 3-6 months? Consumer demand has peaked, it appears, so the speculators aren't driving up prices on a lot of RL cards to the point where I'd like to grab something to let me buy into the sort of deck that is overall cheap except for 1-2 RL cards needed outside of really crazy ***** like tabernacle.
I recently went looking for low budget decks and found a list for U/G Madness. It didn't look terrible with the recommended lands making the bulk of the advertised price. Before I hit the budget forum, I wanted to see what the people who actually play this format think. I tried to find any previous threads on this deck strategy and the most recent was four years old...
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LED's have settled about where the should be. i don't expect them to drop much further. just my opinion, but that's also why i'm moving mine now (out of store inventory, lol).
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I'm guessing you mean GB Depths? Here's how I'd characterize the decks:
Lands: Control/Prison/Combo. One of the main tutor effects (Gamble) is often used to start an engine (with Life from the Loam) rather than actually tutor a card. Has the most 'staying power' thanks to Life from the Loam, Punishing Fire, Wasteland/Ghost Quarter locks, and recurring the Marit Lage combo. Tabernacle provides good board control against creatures. Generally slower than GB Depths. Gameplan: Engine -> Control -> Combo.
GB Depths: Combo. Has the fastest wins and is most focused on executing the combo itself. Uses discard to proactively push through the victory. Cards like Sylvan Scrying and Into the North are true tutor effects. Has a solid midrange plan post-sideboard, if desired. Gameplan: Disrupt -> Combo.
4C Loam: Midrange. Focuses on attacking on multiple axes: value creatures, planeswalkers, permanent disruption (Chalice of the Void), and combo (Punishing Fire; Dark Depths). Because of this, it is also the least consistent. Sometimes the draws line up well and you are unstoppable. Sometimes you draw the wrong cards a the wrong times and fail to do anything meaningful. Gameplan (ideal): T1 Chalice -> T2 ??? -> T3 ??? -> Win. Gameplan (in reality): ????.
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I think Lands is one of the most unique, interesting decks in all of Magic, and really like it for what a beautiful, strange machine it is. That said, I think a lot of its strength 2+ years ago was in the fact that people weren't as familiar with it. Now most decks have a plan for Lands, people are more familiar playing against it, etc. Not to mention that Tabernacle is a very important (though technically optional) piece. If you proxy up the deck and just love it, I'd go for it, but be aware that it's probably not as strong as it once was.
4C Loam is a deck that can be very, very strong in the right matchup (for example, if Miracles doesn't draw the right answers quickly, 4C Loam can just run away with many games on the back of Chalice + Liliana). However, it generally plays a bit too 'fair' for a deck that is sacrificing all 1-CMC cards -- it is not playing Ancient Tomb to power out Chalice (instead relying on Mox Diamond), it doesn't combo quickly enough, it doesn't disrupt enough, etc. Again, if you try it and love it, go for it. You can certainly succeed with it, but on a theoretical level, I don't think it's a well-made deck.
GB Depths is, in my opinion, one of the more underplayed decks in Legacy. It's reasonably difficult to interact with on its own (especially now, as Wasteland seems somewhat less prevalent) since it is a land-based combo, and it plays discard to ensure it can push through the combo when needed. Its tutor effects are strong, and it has a fair amount of flexibility in adopting a more midrange approach (either in the main deck or after sideboarding) with Dark Confidant, Tireless Tracker, etc., and it has access to strong B and GB cards like Liliana, Abrupt Decay, etc. I think this is the most competitive of the Marit Lage decks at the moment.
But given the expense of all of these decks, finding one that suits your playstyle is probably the most important factor. Proxy and test them all out.
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