I actually feel fear mongering is what is happening here. People seem to be trying to deliberately cause fear of TC as being something it isn't.
It's good card. It isn't warping. There shouldn't be anything else to discuss.
Going on your comment, are you sure? Because I love TC, but I am afraid it'll get banned because Ancestral Recall is banned for a reason. I think it's a great card, something blue has needed for card advantage instead of the old Bob.
TC is no AR. It's not even close. I've illustrated this in the TC thread going on in this forum. You can read that as I'm not going to repeat the whole explanation here.
The list of cards that the community has *****ed about being broken in Legacy that, for some strange reason, are still legal is as long as my right arm and right leg combined.
TC is fine. It will not be banned. It is just another powerful card in a powerful format.
I actually feel fear mongering is what is happening here. People seem to be trying to deliberately cause fear of TC as being something it isn't.
It's good card. It isn't warping. There shouldn't be anything else to discuss.
Going on your comment, are you sure? Because I love TC, but I am afraid it'll get banned because Ancestral Recall is banned for a reason. I think it's a great card, something blue has needed for card advantage instead of the old Bob.
Ancestral Recall is banned because players can play the card on the first turn and then you can play another on turn two.
TC needs to wipe out 7 cards in the graveyard for it to cost the same as Ancestral Recall and you cannot pull that off a second time (unless you happen to have 14 cards in the graveyard.)
You "can" play Recal on turn one, but it's not a common play. Unless you are trying to combo or abuse Library, normally Recal is played on the second or third turn of a game. Unless you get that nuts hand with all the Jewelry. The you cast is ASAP to reload but that is a very rare game.
I'm sure. Recall and concentrate are different. While treasure cruise is a better concentrate, it's simply a good card. It's not format warping at all. Like a lot cards before it we are simply in the honeymoon phase. Sorcery speed recalls are fine.
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What was the last card to impact Legacy this quickly and with this much strength? I can't even think of one that is still legal. (Not a loaded question, I don't even know if I want Cruise banned yet)
What was the last card to impact Legacy this quickly and with this much strength? I can't even think of one that is still legal. (Not a loaded question, I don't even know if I want Cruise banned yet)
Here's a short list of cards that have been *****ed about forever. Only one of them was ever on the banned list and now that it's off isn't even played.
The Magic community is notorious for *****ing about cards that they don't like but don't even come close to the definition of "broken" and/or "format warping."
The last card that really needed to be banned (almost destroyed Legacy) was Mental Misstep
Why?
Being able to be paid for with Phyrexian Mana, it could be shoved into any deck. And I mean ANY. It totally turned the whole format upside down with all the 1 drops in it. Legacy turned into Mental Misstep wars.
THAT is the definition of format warping and busted.
TC doesn't even register a blip on the radar next to it.
But as has been the case throughout history, whenever a new card is introduced, it will cause a stir because that's just what we do.
What was the last card to impact Legacy this quickly and with this much strength? I can't even think of one that is still legal. (Not a loaded question, I don't even know if I want Cruise banned yet)
Here's a short list of cards that have been *****ed about forever. Only one of them was ever on the banned list and now that it's off isn't even played.
The Magic community is notorious for *****ing about cards that they don't like but don't even come close to the definition of "broken" and/or "format warping."
The last card that really needed to be banned (almost destroyed Legacy) was Mental Misstep
Why?
Being able to be paid for with Phyrexian Mana, it could be shoved into any deck. And I mean ANY. It totally turned the whole format upside down with all the 1 drops in it. Legacy turned into Mental Misstep wars.
THAT is the definition of format warping and busted.
TC doesn't even register a blip on the radar next to it.
But as has been the case throughout history, whenever a new card is introduced, it will cause a stir because that's just what we do.
That wasn't the question I asked. I wasn't asking about cards people *****ed about. I'm asking about cards that showed up with this much force, this quickly. The closest cards on that list I would come close to agreeing with are Delver and Griselbrand, and I don't think even those were adopted so quickly across the number of decks Cruise has been.
That wasn't the question I asked. I wasn't asking about cards people *****ed about. I'm asking about cards that showed up with this much force, this quickly. The closest cards on that list I would come close to agreeing with are Delver and Griselbrand, and I don't think even those were adopted so quickly across the number of decks Cruise has been.
In my experience, a chunk of decks people are trying to splash Cruise in aren't really well-suited for the card so much as it's just the latest fad so people try to fit it everywhere.
No doubt it's a powerful card, but it's not individually powerful enough or widespread enough to warrant a ban. With Misstep, literally any deck could make effective and efficient use of it. With Cruise, a lot of decks can use it or splash for it, but it still carries opportunity cost and mandatory setup that didn't really exist with Misstep. Also Cruise can be downright terrible in multiples.
In my experience, a chunk of decks people are trying to splash Cruise in aren't really well-suited for the card so much as it's just the latest fad so people try to fit it everywhere.
No doubt it's a powerful card, but it's not individually powerful enough or widespread enough to warrant a ban. With Misstep, literally any deck could make effective and efficient use of it. With Cruise, a lot of decks can use it or splash for it, but it still carries opportunity cost and mandatory setup that didn't really exist with Misstep. Also Cruise can be downright terrible in multiples.
You're saying that, but the results speak for themselves. I don't care if someone is trying to put Cruise in the wrong deck; what matters is the number of decks that are WINNING with it.
Either the two of you have accidentally condensed months of meta changes in Legacy's past, or you missed the part where I was asking about a card that impacted the format this quickly and with this much strength. Here's what I mean: we're a little under a month into Treasure Cruise being legal and Treasure Cruise has already reached the #19 card on TC Decks for October. Compare this to Deathrite Shaman which didn't even scratch the list until December after release. Or Abrupt Decay which didn't get to #20 until November after release (and recall that Decay was super hyped, no sleeper factor on this one). True-Name Nemesis made the list in December (release date November 1) and has never been seen on the list again. Although there isn't data on 2011, I think it is safe to assume Liliana didn't have a strong impact, as this was prior to DRS/Decay and it doesn't make the list in all of 2012. To give an idea of how quickly new cards make an impact, you'll see Delver of Secrets making its first appearance on the list in May of 2012.
Why does all of this matter? Because Legacy is normally very slow to absorb new cards (outside of very obvious ones like Zendikar fetches). It is highly unusual for a new card to be able to break into such a high powered format with such ease. We haven't seen a card break in so quickly (outside of the banned Misstep) in a very long time, perhaps at all since the 1/1.5 split. You could argue that this is some new trend, but it keeps winning. You have a UR Delver deck winning with Treasure Cruise on the first weekend possible, with one other player playing it as a 2 of. Open series break for 2 weeks, then you have a Stoneblade deck replacing their Jaces with Cruise...along with 3 other Cruise decks in the top 8. Yesterday, we have Eternal Weekend with 6 decks with Treasure Cruise (okay one only has a singleton, but even five decks would be meaningful). I don't know how many are in the top 8 tonight as I haven't been following. I would assume/hope its less, but I just turned on the stream to see a UWR Delver player cast Treasure Cruise in the finals. Treasure Cruise isn't some recent fad. It is performing well and still spreading. Time will show how far it goes, but let's not pretend any recent (legal) cards have become this prolific this quickly.
You're saying that, but the results speak for themselves. I don't care if someone is trying to put Cruise in the wrong deck; what matters is the number of decks that are WINNING with it.
There are a lot of flavours of decks that win with Delver of Secrets, Brainstorm, Ponder, Force of Will, and other such cards. At what point does the line get drawn? Or is it just at speed of diffusion through the metagame? (And, again, I'd argue it's a flavour of the month right now and given time some decks will drop it after realizing it's not quite right for them.)
So the problem is the island deck archetype. Is that your point?
It is easy for a new card to break into the format as long as someone deems it worthy. Swiftspear is an example of that. And honestly even beyond being worthy people have to take the first step of trying it. When the bulk of players look to see what is currently "hot" there are very few who will make the leap. Draw 3 is an obvious good effect and people will jump on it because they expect it to cost U all the time. People will always try to play the best cards they can in their chosen deck.
Side note: having a very blue centric meta why are you surprised by seeing TC in high quantities? It actually slots into existing strategies so it should be expected to be present in high numbers.
Also everyone should pack storm crow in their boards. They'll have to ban it with everyone winning with it right?
If it was Standard, I would just say it is the new kid on the block, but Legacy tends not to look at Standard unless it fits a need (Zen Fetches) for Legacy. I think the hype will die down for Treasure Cruise, but the card is powerful and will affect Legacy. Banning it seems excessive at the moment because we need to see if Legacy can shift to compensate for Treasure Cruise, like it did for True Name Nemesis.
I think that's the issue I'm having. To me there's nothing to compensate for. People draw cards, it doesn't really affect how you employ your given strategy. Intuition for accumulated knowledge was a thing too, it's a means to a strategy, it isn't the strategy itself. All quite the opposite of mental misstep.
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You're saying that, but the results speak for themselves. I don't care if someone is trying to put Cruise in the wrong deck; what matters is the number of decks that are WINNING with it.
There are a lot of flavours of decks that win with Delver of Secrets, Brainstorm, Ponder, Force of Will, and other such cards. At what point does the line get drawn? Or is it just at speed of diffusion through the metagame? (And, again, I'd argue it's a flavour of the month right now and given time some decks will drop it after realizing it's not quite right for them.)
Again, I care about the fact that decks are winning with it. You say that some decks will drop it after realizing it's not quite right, but I'm referring to the many decks for which it is right. Like the fact that the four most recent major US Legacy tournaments were won by Treasure Cruise decks. You say that the numbers will go down, but the representation still seems to be going upwards.
Look, I have yet to take a stand on whether or not the card is ban worthy, but what I am saying that no one else here seems willing to admit is that so far, the card has made a much larger immediate impact than any legacy card in recent history. Looking at timeframe, this isn't TNN or DRS. This has done so much more, and it's hard to pretend its a business as usual Legacy addition.
Look, I have yet to take a stand on whether or not the card is ban worthy, but what I am saying that no one else here seems willing to admit is that so far, the card has made a much larger immediate impact than any legacy card in recent history.
Oh, I can freely admit that. However, my response to it is, "And?" The rate of diffusion into the metagame matters less than the overall effect it has on the metagame. Let's put it another way: The Legacy metagame will adapt to any new card that sees widespread play. There's a definable endpoint. The rate at which it hits that end point matters less than what that endpoint is.
So many people went to Eternal Weekend (where there were 18 Cruises in the top 8) that I think the most recent SCG was actually pretty soft. We will be right back into Cruise domination next week. There's a real argument over whether it's better than Brainstorm in an optimally built deck.
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Oh, I can freely admit that. However, my response to it is, "And?" The rate of diffusion into the metagame matters less than the overall effect it has on the metagame. Let's put it another way: The Legacy metagame will adapt to any new card that sees widespread play. There's a definable endpoint. The rate at which it hits that end point matters less than what that endpoint is.
I agree that end point matters, but I think current velocity suggests that it has yet to reach that endpoint. As for the metagame adapting, this is getting into theoretical territory, but how do you expect the metagame to adapt? The problem IMO is that if I wanted to combat Treasure Cruise, I would do it with counterspells, cantrips, and Treasure Cruise. I think that graveyard hate is a bad idea and that hatebear taxing is too situational and not punishing enough. This isn't like TNN where you can prepare for it with -1/-1 effects. I believe that the best decks to combat Treasure Cruise will actually play Treasure Cruise. The issue is that like Brainstorm, Treasure Cruise isn't easy to hate out. However, unlike Brainstorm, it pushes specific archetypes.
5 of the 16 decks played TC. Only 1 out of the top 7 played TC.
In what universe is this a problem or even as prevalent as people are suggesting?
This is one of the most balanced metas I've seen in ages.
Slivers? Seriously? I think this is wonderful and actually gives me hope for Legacy unlike the era of MM when it was just pure hell.
If TC gets banned, I will be absolutely stunned.
You can't look at just one tournament. I'm going to point out that this is a single open during which most Legacy players were at Eternal Weekend. And the person who battled his way to first place was playing _____. While on the topic of Eternal Weekend, you should really look at the top 8. Also,
Only 1 out of the top 7 played TC.
Seriously? Saying 2 out of 8 still would have supported your point. Why so blatant?
I recently "combatted" treasure cruise by killing my opponent while he played numerous filtering cards to get to treasure cruise that wasn't good enough.
A lot of decks are trying to play treasure cruise, and much like TNN, not all of them can support it. For everything treasure cruise gives a deck it takes just as much away. That's why there isn't a problem with it and there won't be.
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As for the metagame adapting, this is getting into theoretical territory, but how do you expect the metagame to adapt? The problem IMO is that if I wanted to combat Treasure Cruise, I would do it with counterspells, cantrips, and Treasure Cruise. I think that graveyard hate is a bad idea and that hatebear taxing is too situational and not punishing enough. This isn't like TNN where you can prepare for it with -1/-1 effects. I believe that the best decks to combat Treasure Cruise will actually play Treasure Cruise. The issue is that like Brainstorm, Treasure Cruise isn't easy to hate out. However, unlike Brainstorm, it pushes specific archetypes.
I agree with the idea that the best way to combat Treasure Cruise is to play your own. And really that is just due to consistently bad design on WotC's part. When you have the strongest cards in one color as well as the strongest answers to those cards in the same color, the format starts to look awfully homogenous.
Randy Buehler was having an interesting discussion on camera during the Vintage coverage of Eternal Weekend. The topic was regarding which card printed in the last 10 years had the most impact on Vintage. Treasure Cruise was a candidate, but what was interesting to me is that (maybe I missed it, but...) I did not hear anyone suggest an obvious card: Delver of Secrets. Even after 4 Delver decks made the top 8. Legacy tournament top 8s look the same way with lots of Delvers.
Yeah, the card draw is super powerful, but for the same mana cost Delver can dish out damage equivalent to or greater than Black Vise, a banned card. Maybe the best answer is to ban Delver? Let blue do what blue does and draw cards. But at least force it to find a new, less efficient win condition.
I recently "combatted" treasure cruise by killing my opponent while he played numerous filtering cards to get to treasure cruise that wasn't good enough.
A lot of decks are trying to play treasure cruise, and much like TNN, not all of them can support it. For everything treasure cruise gives a deck it takes just as much away. That's why there isn't a problem with it and there won't be.
There is definitely something to be said about a deck simply durdling around too much with cantrips and draw to get to its gameplan. Treasure Cruise looks quite powerful on the surface, and "sorcery speed Ancestral" is a really tempting thing, but if you're not drawing what you need off it (which I've seen happen a fair bit, like land, Ponder, second Cruise which they might have difficulty casting), then you're still not actually winning.
The week before that there were 4 Elves decks in the top sixteen (two in the top eight). There has been one tournamnet which shows TC being heavily played (in four different decks). The evidecne is just not there to support your claim. TC has not shown itself to have a narrowing effect on the meta.
First SCG Open (New Jersey) after TC became legal (concurrent with the SCG Open in which Elves took the top four spots): UR Delver with a playset of Treasure Cruise wins the tournament; one other deck in top 8 (Bug Delver) plays two copies.
SCG Worcester: 4 decks running some number of Treasure Cruise in top 8, including the winning deck.
SCG Minneapolis: 2 decks in top 8 running Treasure Cruise, including winner (in finals, UWR Delver beats a build of Miracles specifically designed to combat Treasure Cruise)
Eternal Weekend: 6 decks in top 8 run Treasure Cruise, winner of the tournament plays a deck specifically designed to beat Treasure Cruise
These may not be banworthy numbers quite yet, but they almost are. As I posted before, my prediction is that Treasure Cruise narrows the meta into decks playing Treasure Cruise and those trying to punish Treasure Cruise.
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TC is no AR. It's not even close. I've illustrated this in the TC thread going on in this forum. You can read that as I'm not going to repeat the whole explanation here.
The list of cards that the community has *****ed about being broken in Legacy that, for some strange reason, are still legal is as long as my right arm and right leg combined.
TC is fine. It will not be banned. It is just another powerful card in a powerful format.
Ancestral Recall is banned because players can play the card on the first turn and then you can play another on turn two.
TC needs to wipe out 7 cards in the graveyard for it to cost the same as Ancestral Recall and you cannot pull that off a second time (unless you happen to have 14 cards in the graveyard.)
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What is going to happen in the Next 100 days!!!
Current decks of choice:
Vintage: Shops.
Legacy: Lands.
Modern: Lantern.
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Current decks of choice:
Vintage: Shops.
Legacy: Lands.
Modern: Lantern.
Here's a short list of cards that have been *****ed about forever. Only one of them was ever on the banned list and now that it's off isn't even played.
Show And Tell
True-Name Nemesis
Brainstorm
Griselbrand
Delver of Secrets
Emrakul, The Aeons Torn
Omniscience
Enter The Infinite
Ancestral Vision
Jace, The Mind Sculptor
Stoneforge Mystic
Gaea's Cradle (after legend rule change)
Land Tax (taken off ban list and not even played)
The Magic community is notorious for *****ing about cards that they don't like but don't even come close to the definition of "broken" and/or "format warping."
The last card that really needed to be banned (almost destroyed Legacy) was Mental Misstep
Why?
Being able to be paid for with Phyrexian Mana, it could be shoved into any deck. And I mean ANY. It totally turned the whole format upside down with all the 1 drops in it. Legacy turned into Mental Misstep wars.
THAT is the definition of format warping and busted.
TC doesn't even register a blip on the radar next to it.
But as has been the case throughout history, whenever a new card is introduced, it will cause a stir because that's just what we do.
In my experience, a chunk of decks people are trying to splash Cruise in aren't really well-suited for the card so much as it's just the latest fad so people try to fit it everywhere.
No doubt it's a powerful card, but it's not individually powerful enough or widespread enough to warrant a ban. With Misstep, literally any deck could make effective and efficient use of it. With Cruise, a lot of decks can use it or splash for it, but it still carries opportunity cost and mandatory setup that didn't really exist with Misstep. Also Cruise can be downright terrible in multiples.
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Either the two of you have accidentally condensed months of meta changes in Legacy's past, or you missed the part where I was asking about a card that impacted the format this quickly and with this much strength. Here's what I mean: we're a little under a month into Treasure Cruise being legal and Treasure Cruise has already reached the #19 card on TC Decks for October. Compare this to Deathrite Shaman which didn't even scratch the list until December after release. Or Abrupt Decay which didn't get to #20 until November after release (and recall that Decay was super hyped, no sleeper factor on this one). True-Name Nemesis made the list in December (release date November 1) and has never been seen on the list again. Although there isn't data on 2011, I think it is safe to assume Liliana didn't have a strong impact, as this was prior to DRS/Decay and it doesn't make the list in all of 2012. To give an idea of how quickly new cards make an impact, you'll see Delver of Secrets making its first appearance on the list in May of 2012.
Why does all of this matter? Because Legacy is normally very slow to absorb new cards (outside of very obvious ones like Zendikar fetches). It is highly unusual for a new card to be able to break into such a high powered format with such ease. We haven't seen a card break in so quickly (outside of the banned Misstep) in a very long time, perhaps at all since the 1/1.5 split. You could argue that this is some new trend, but it keeps winning. You have a UR Delver deck winning with Treasure Cruise on the first weekend possible, with one other player playing it as a 2 of. Open series break for 2 weeks, then you have a Stoneblade deck replacing their Jaces with Cruise...along with 3 other Cruise decks in the top 8. Yesterday, we have Eternal Weekend with 6 decks with Treasure Cruise (okay one only has a singleton, but even five decks would be meaningful). I don't know how many are in the top 8 tonight as I haven't been following. I would assume/hope its less, but I just turned on the stream to see a UWR Delver player cast Treasure Cruise in the finals. Treasure Cruise isn't some recent fad. It is performing well and still spreading. Time will show how far it goes, but let's not pretend any recent (legal) cards have become this prolific this quickly.
There are a lot of flavours of decks that win with Delver of Secrets, Brainstorm, Ponder, Force of Will, and other such cards. At what point does the line get drawn? Or is it just at speed of diffusion through the metagame? (And, again, I'd argue it's a flavour of the month right now and given time some decks will drop it after realizing it's not quite right for them.)
It is easy for a new card to break into the format as long as someone deems it worthy. Swiftspear is an example of that. And honestly even beyond being worthy people have to take the first step of trying it. When the bulk of players look to see what is currently "hot" there are very few who will make the leap. Draw 3 is an obvious good effect and people will jump on it because they expect it to cost U all the time. People will always try to play the best cards they can in their chosen deck.
Side note: having a very blue centric meta why are you surprised by seeing TC in high quantities? It actually slots into existing strategies so it should be expected to be present in high numbers.
Also everyone should pack storm crow in their boards. They'll have to ban it with everyone winning with it right?
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Look, I have yet to take a stand on whether or not the card is ban worthy, but what I am saying that no one else here seems willing to admit is that so far, the card has made a much larger immediate impact than any legacy card in recent history. Looking at timeframe, this isn't TNN or DRS. This has done so much more, and it's hard to pretend its a business as usual Legacy addition.
Oh, I can freely admit that. However, my response to it is, "And?" The rate of diffusion into the metagame matters less than the overall effect it has on the metagame. Let's put it another way: The Legacy metagame will adapt to any new card that sees widespread play. There's a definable endpoint. The rate at which it hits that end point matters less than what that endpoint is.
Let me put it this way.
Given a typical top 16 from SCG
2 Miracles
3 Infect
2 Elves
1 Shardless BUG
1 High Tide
1 Burn
3 Reanimator
1 UR Delver
1 Belcher
Now look like this?
16 UR Delver (all packing TC)
Or some other combination of decks all packing TC?
No.
Here is the top 16 from Minneapolis
4 Delver
1 Miracles
1 Lands
1 Slivers
2 Painter
1 Storm
1 Reanimator
1 Dredge
1 Omni Tell
1 Counterbalance
1 Mono Red Moggcatcher
1 Shardless
5 of the 16 decks played TC. Only 1 out of the top 7 played TC.
In what universe is this a problem or even as prevalent as people are suggesting?
This is one of the most balanced metas I've seen in ages.
Slivers? Seriously? I think this is wonderful and actually gives me hope for Legacy unlike the era of MM when it was just pure hell.
If TC gets banned, I will be absolutely stunned.
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You can't look at just one tournament. I'm going to point out that this is a single open during which most Legacy players were at Eternal Weekend. And the person who battled his way to first place was playing _____. While on the topic of Eternal Weekend, you should really look at the top 8. Also, Seriously? Saying 2 out of 8 still would have supported your point. Why so blatant?
A lot of decks are trying to play treasure cruise, and much like TNN, not all of them can support it. For everything treasure cruise gives a deck it takes just as much away. That's why there isn't a problem with it and there won't be.
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I agree with the idea that the best way to combat Treasure Cruise is to play your own. And really that is just due to consistently bad design on WotC's part. When you have the strongest cards in one color as well as the strongest answers to those cards in the same color, the format starts to look awfully homogenous.
Randy Buehler was having an interesting discussion on camera during the Vintage coverage of Eternal Weekend. The topic was regarding which card printed in the last 10 years had the most impact on Vintage. Treasure Cruise was a candidate, but what was interesting to me is that (maybe I missed it, but...) I did not hear anyone suggest an obvious card: Delver of Secrets. Even after 4 Delver decks made the top 8. Legacy tournament top 8s look the same way with lots of Delvers.
Yeah, the card draw is super powerful, but for the same mana cost Delver can dish out damage equivalent to or greater than Black Vise, a banned card. Maybe the best answer is to ban Delver? Let blue do what blue does and draw cards. But at least force it to find a new, less efficient win condition.
There is definitely something to be said about a deck simply durdling around too much with cantrips and draw to get to its gameplan. Treasure Cruise looks quite powerful on the surface, and "sorcery speed Ancestral" is a really tempting thing, but if you're not drawing what you need off it (which I've seen happen a fair bit, like land, Ponder, second Cruise which they might have difficulty casting), then you're still not actually winning.
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UBR EDH Artificer Prodigy
B EDH Relentless Rats
SCG Worcester: 4 decks running some number of Treasure Cruise in top 8, including the winning deck.
SCG Minneapolis: 2 decks in top 8 running Treasure Cruise, including winner (in finals, UWR Delver beats a build of Miracles specifically designed to combat Treasure Cruise)
Eternal Weekend: 6 decks in top 8 run Treasure Cruise, winner of the tournament plays a deck specifically designed to beat Treasure Cruise
These may not be banworthy numbers quite yet, but they almost are. As I posted before, my prediction is that Treasure Cruise narrows the meta into decks playing Treasure Cruise and those trying to punish Treasure Cruise.